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LunaC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 10:05 AM
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New York Review of Books to publish full DSM *TODAY*!
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 10:06 AM
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1. It should be published on the front page of every newspaper in the country
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 10:19 AM
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5. Yes, it should. And now we will have a litmus test for all the media to
determine who's got the best interests of our country in their hearts and in their minds. We now will be able to determine who the real journalists are. We will now know who the liars and whores are. And the longer the controversy over these MEETING MINUTES go on, the more phony 'journalists' it will take down.

Remember, it was not the journalists who really got Watergate going. They just printed the news. It was the people who demonstrated against the government, the kids on the campuses who resisted the draft, the people of conscience who were taking a stand against Nixon and his band of liar, thugs and theives (who are now creeping back into the public limelight as if they were some kind of heros). Admittedly Woodward and Bernstein told the story. But it was the story of the illegal and immoral acts of a corrupt and criminal administration who were trying to subvert the Constitution and were committing crimes to prevent the people of the United States from finding out what they were up to. (In fact one of the most obscene things about politics today is that the same bunch are back in the government and in places of influence.)

It was the people who were the real heros and heroines of that time. They resisted and fought a corrupt administration and threw their asses out of Washington. Then got lazy and complacent thinking that it could never happen again. But it did. And it's the same people. And it's worse than ever before. So now it's again up to us to earn the rights and freedoms that we were granted by the brave men and women who founded this country.
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LunaC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 10:07 AM
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2. No way is this story going to die a quiet death
And the WH knows it!


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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 10:10 AM
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3. amazing, concise read!
Edited on Thu Jun-09-05 10:11 AM by FLDem5
will the U.S. pay attention?
(on edit - nominated)
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Guckert Donating Member (946 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 10:11 AM
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4. This is getting good. i cant wait for the frog marching and the exploding
heads of Rush and Sean Hannity. :party: :toast: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :patriot:
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LunaC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 10:28 AM
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6. This quote from the article stood out:
An unnamed "senior adviser" to President Bush was quoted by a New York Times Magazine reporter:

"We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality."

Now where have I heard that before? Oh, yeah......"It is important to shape circumstances.......PNAC Statement of Principles"

He went on to say "And while you're studying that reality - judiciously, as you will - we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors ... and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.'"

We really gotta' stop these bastards before they stage their next "new reality".

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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 03:25 PM
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12. Yes sir. n/t
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yorkiemommie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 04:20 PM
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13.  pure evil
in black and white.
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 10:38 AM
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7. Excellent!
Nominated.
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CantGetFooledAgain Donating Member (635 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 11:13 AM
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8. Nominated. This is an outstanding article. (n/t)
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Griffy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 12:54 PM
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9. AWESOME article! write a thank you email! we need to support..
the truth as much as we decry the lies! drip drip drip.... Everyday I feel more like this is it.. the hook is in, all we gotta do is slowly reel it in! Gonna catch us a big fat Impeachment!
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savannahana Donating Member (491 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 01:23 PM
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10. excellent! nominated & kick
:kick:
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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 03:24 PM
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11. MDanner's article and the 'minutes' are online
Danner has written many articles about US torture.

http://www.nybooks.com/articles/18034

The Secret Downing Street Memo
SECRET AND STRICTLY PERSONAL
—UK EYES ONLY
DAVID MANNING
From: Matthew Rycroft
Date: 23 July 2002
S 195 /02

cc: Defence Secretary, Foreign Secretary, Attorney-General, Sir Richard Wilson, John Scarlett, Francis Richards, CDS, C, Jonathan Powell, Sally Morgan, Alastair Campbell

IRAQ: PRIME MINISTER'S MEETING, 23 JULY

Copy addressees and you met the Prime Minister on 23 July to discuss Iraq.
This record is extremely sensitive. No further copies should be made. It should be shown only to those with a genuine need to know its contents.

John Scarlett summarised the intelligence and latest JIC assessment. Saddam's regime was tough and based on extreme fear. The only way to overthrow it was likely to be by massive military action. Saddam was worried and expected an attack, probably by air and land, but he was not convinced that it would be immediate or overwhelming. His regime expected their neighbours to line up with the US. Saddam knew that regular army morale was poor. Real support for Saddam among the public was probably narrowly based.

C reported on his recent talks in Washington. There was a perceptible shift in attitude. Military action was now seen as inevitable. Bush wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD. But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy. The NSC had no patience with the UN route, and no enthusiasm for publishing material on the Iraqi regime's record. There was little discussion in Washington of the aftermath after military action.

CDS said that military planners would brief CENTCOM on 1-2 August, Rumsfeld on 3 August and Bush on 4 August. The two broad US options were:

(a) Generated Start. A slow build-up of 250,000 US troops, a short (72 hour) air campaign, then a move up to Baghdad from the south. Lead time of 90 days (30 days preparation plus 60 days deployment to Kuwait).
(b) Running Start. Use forces already in theatre (3 x 6,000), continuous air campaign, initiated by an Iraqi casus belli. Total lead time of 60 days with the air campaign beginning even earlier. A hazardous option.

The US saw the UK (and Kuwait) as essential, with basing in Diego Garcia and Cyprus critical for either option. Turkey and other Gulf states were also important, but less vital. The three main options for UK involvement were:
(i) Basing in Diego Garcia and Cyprus, plus three SF squadrons.
(ii) As above, with maritime and air assets in addition.
(iii) As above, plus a land contribution of up to 40,000, perhaps with a discrete role in Northern Iraq entering from Turkey, tying down two Iraqi divisions.

The Defence Secretary said that the US had already begun "spikes of activity" to put pressure on the regime. No decisions had been taken, but he thought the most likely timing in US minds for military action to begin was January, with the timeline beginning 30 days before the US Congressional elections.

The Foreign Secretary said he would discuss this with Colin Powell this week. It seemed clear that Bush had made up his mind to take military action, even if the timing was not yet decided. But the case was thin. Saddam was not threatening his neighbours, and his WMD capability was less than that of Libya, North Korea or Iran. We should work up a plan for an ultimatum to Saddam to allow back in the UN weapons inspectors. This would also help with the legal justification for the use of force.

The Attorney-General said that the desire for regime change was not a legal base for military action. There were three possible legal bases: selfdefence, humanitarian intervention, or UNSC authorisation. The first and second could not be the base in this case. Relying on UNSCR 1205 of three years ago would be difficult. The situation might of course change.

The Prime Minister said that it would make a big difference politically and legally if Saddam refused to allow in the UN inspectors. Regime change and WMDwere linked in the sense that it was the regime that was producing the WMD. There were different strategies for dealing with Libya and Iran. If the political context were right, people would support regime change. The two key issues were whether the military plan worked and whether we had the political strategy to give the military plan the space to work.

On the first, CDS said that we did not know yet if the US battleplan was workable. The military were continuing to ask lots of questions. For instance, what were the consequences, if Saddam used WMD on day one, or if Baghdad did not collapse and urban warfighting began? You said that Saddam could also use his WMD on Kuwait. Or on Israel, added the Defence Secretary.

The Foreign Secretary thought the US would not go ahead with a military plan unless convinced that it was a winning strategy. On this, US and UK interests converged. But on the political strategy, there could be US/UK differences. Despite US resistance, we should explore discreetly the ultimatum. Saddam would continue to play hard-ball with the UN. John Scarlett assessed that Saddam would allow the inspectors back in only when he thought the threat of military action was real.

The Defence Secretary said that if the Prime Minister wanted UK military involvement, he would need to decide this early. He cautioned that many in the US did not think it worth going down the ultimatum route. It would be important for the Prime Minister to set out the political context to Bush.

Conclusions:

(a) We should work on the assumption that the UK would take part in any military action. But we needed a fuller picture of US planning before we could take any firm decisions. CDS should tell the US military that we were considering a range of options.

(b) The Prime Minister would revert on the question of whether funds could be spent in preparation for this operation.

(c) CDS would send the Prime Minister full details of the proposed military campaign and possible UK contributions by the end of the week.

(d) The Foreign Secretary would send the Prime Minister the background on the UN inspectors, and discreetly work up the ultimatum to Saddam. He would also send the Prime Minister advice on the positions of countries in the region especially Turkey, and of the key EU member states.

(e) John Scarlett would send the Prime Minister a full intelligence update.

(f) We must not ignore the legal issues: the Attorney-General would consider legal advice with FCO/MOD legal advisers.

(I have written separately to commission this follow-up work.)

MATTHEW RYCROFT
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 04:33 PM
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14. nominated.. n/t
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