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true_notes Donating Member (740 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 02:23 PM
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Is Walter Jones (R-North Carolina) two faced, or an enlightened lawmaker?
Check this out:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20050612/pl_afp/usiraqfrancepolitics

The fact the man has written over 1300 letters of codolence to fallen soldier's families says enough for me, not to mention his calling for a timeline for getting the hell out of hell land.

His "freedom fries" schpiff was nothing more than a fart in a whirlwind to me, I think he was just caught up in the red white and blue hue that comes with the propraganda. I guess the pugs are starting to awaken to *'s atrocities, and are speaking out
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 02:26 PM
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1. I found it interesting that he said
he didn't care if this jeopardized his political career. In other words he knows his constituents. The love war but they don't want to fight it themselves and anyone getting in the republican parties way should circle the wagons for a massive assault. Its good to hear a smithering of good news coming from North Carolina for a change.
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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 02:27 PM
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2. I think the man's probably like a lot of Republicans...
patriotic, pro-military, and shouldered with a wrongheaded optimism that the United States, no matter who may be running the country, always stands for freedom and democracy in everything it does.
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fertilizeonarbusto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 02:28 PM
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3. I just hope that
this signals the beginning of massive civil war in Rethug ranks.
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 02:28 PM
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4. awakening to the fact that an anti war candidate will beat him
in the next election, Something Harold Ford and Biden/Lieberman haven't yet figured out
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Malikshah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 02:28 PM
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5. He is guilty of willful ignorance
and must pay the price. Alas, it will be his constituents' children who will continue to pay the price.

May he attend any and all funerals to begin to atone for his willful ignorance.
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 02:42 PM
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6. And those Freedom Fries may now buffer him a bit ...
from the rightwing attack dogs. Oh, sure, they'll still try to bit him, but he may have gained some degree of immunity to their rabies.
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PDittie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 02:44 PM
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7. I think he's an example of someone that can
no longer swallow the lies. I wouldn't go quite so far as to say enlightened, but he's certainly not willing to let our soldiers continue dying.

A very significant shift for him. Doesn't mean as much unless others on the right start to join him.

Let's hope this means the dike is about to spring a big leak.
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true_notes Donating Member (740 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 02:48 PM
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9. Indeed
With the 2006 mid-term elections coming up, the hill will be bustling with ways to keep the repug majority. But this guy, for some reason, makes me think that HE is sincere for his cause. I believe it because of his sympathy to the families, and his vociferous support for the troops. This is true "supporting the troops" in my opinion, by that I mean looking out for us, and trying to urge your peers, through peril, to do the same to make a difference.
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BattyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 02:46 PM
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8. You know ...
Edited on Mon Jun-13-05 02:50 PM by BattyDem

I'm not pissed at this guy for changing his position. Maybe he was suckered by Bushco, maybe he was just playing politics. At this point, it really doesn't matter. If he has finally seen the light, great! Good for him ... I hope he does something about it.

But ... what absolutely INFURIATES me about the man is this:
While this country was approaching war, while the UN Security Council was trying to determine the facts and countries like France were telling the rest of the world that Bushco was lying (or at least, mistaken), while our troops were being sent to Iraq without the proper equipment, Mr. Jones and his French-hating buddies in Congress thought the single most important issue facing our country was the name of the sliced potatoes in the Capital cafeteria!!! :grr:

Instead of throwing a hissy fit because France disagreed with the "great and powerful George W. Bush", maybe they should have done their job and looked into the reasons why France was against the invasion. Maybe they should have asked some questions and talked to the leaders of France and Germany and Russia.

It is not the place of Congress to promote childish propaganda - it is their job to oversee the Executive branch and make sure our troops have everything they need and that they are being deployed for the right reasons. While Jones and the other Repugs were wasting time on the floor of the House with their stupid anti-french fry resolution, our troops were being sent to die. :-(

The only good thing about his conversion is that maybe ... MAYBE ... the idiot masses who supported him and his "Freedom Fries" will also begin to question this damn war.
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comsymp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 02:51 PM
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10. Neither
Edited on Mon Jun-13-05 02:52 PM by comsymp
He's an asshat.

He's a CONservative Republican who lives in an area that's suffering due to the whole Iraq mess. Jacksonville (Camp Lejeune) is suffering financially, and they're definitely suffering in human terms.

This guy is a knuckledragger. Don't mistake his change of heart for anything but responding to his constituents. Of course, having a Congresscritter who's responsive to his/her constituents is certainly nothing to criticize.
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true_notes Donating Member (740 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 02:53 PM
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11. Coming from the front lines-
I won't take your word with a grain of salt. I just caught this message and was curious as to what was going on in your state's politics.

Do you think his "change of heart" was driven politically, personally, or otherwise? And do you think your congressman has the brains and enthusiasm to turn some of his peers around if his notions are sincere?
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comsymp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 03:04 PM
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13. Well, a couple thoughts
(First, the disclaimer) I'm not a resident of his district- even worse, I'm in Howard Coble's.

Having said that, I spent many of my formative years in that area and am familiar with him and many of Eastern NC's politicos, in addition to having worked down there for the better part of the last 15 years.

So... I honestly believe that it is political inasmuch as it's a response to his own constituents. Detest him as I do, I'm willing to give him that much credit. As to brains and enthusiasm... well, his bona fides as a RWN are intact, and consequently, do give him some credibility w/his fellow fire breathers. Of course, his heart would be leading him in a different direction if things were going differently over there... IMO, of course.

I said this last summer when we were screaming for K/E to put up a fight for NC, and still stand by it. The military-related communities here in NC are, by and large, NOT happy with Georgie's Excellent Adventure. I think WBJ is simply reflecting that.

And as to whether or not to take my comments with a grain of salt... it's all strictly opinion based on observations - so please do. And maybe a shot of Quervo to go with 'em!

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lebkuchen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 03:01 PM
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12. Wasn't "freedom fries" voted on late in the evening
just after the GOP House had voted to do away with hazardous duty pay/family separation? Freedom fries ended up being a cover for the elimination of portions of military pay.

Am I right, or wrong?
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