Why are christian conservatives so afraid of or offended by sex?

Answer: Sex, more than anything else is a crystal clear reminder that we are animals participating in the glorious experience of life. Sex reminds us that we are not judgmental creatures created in God's image to rule over all life.

I'm sure that resentment factors into their twisted minds.

the moderate ones are!

anyway, the reason that conservatives are afraid of sex is that they know if people have sex they might realize that sex is natural and not sinful

And you might actually feel good about yourself! We can't have that now can we?

remember they can do as they please, they're "forgiven". Plus they have a weird compunction to delve into other people pants to see where they've been. That way they can feel superior because non Christians are NOT "forgiven". Ask Jerry, Pat or James (falwell, robertson and dobson). They'll tel you.

Which is so disgusting. I've noticed all these people think about is something that leads back to sex. :crazy: What about education? What about the enviornment?

...and I'm not the slightest bit offended. :P

if they're not having any sex, there won't be any more of them in a generation, so why worry.

Actually, I wonder how my Christian neighbors have eight kids considering they never had sex and all.

of their own bodies and of others. fundamentalist religion is all about self denial of the physical - they effectively learn to hate their own sexuality because they see it as a obstacle between themselves and God. they talk of 'worldly' people and those who live in the 'world' as people who are concerned only with the physical - they feel that they can't be 'worldly' if they want the spiritual. it is like an evil thing that they must overcome, as if God gave us bodies as test to overcome. People who embrace their sexuality and are comfortable in their physical-ness are both reviled and unconscious reminders of what they themselves have learned to reject. sort of like hating yourself, and hating others for embracing what you hate about yourself. kinda sick.

remind them that Jesus had a penis and must have had an erection and even masturbated - maybe he had oral sex or let someone touch his penis - then watch their heads explode! If Jesus was both fully man and fully divine (as Christians accept - I'm Catholic and accept this), then he had all of the same human experiences including a sexual identity. How can you understand your faith without understanding this part of who Christ was, and contemplate what it means about yourself? They will begin to short-circuit like robots and smoke will come out of their ears if you push the subject.

a fundamentalist's head explode. Just talk about the sensual pleasures of food. Um-m-m. Food.

Ah, the salty sweet pleasures of a pie. Eating fried sweet potatoes. Sliced tomatoes, maybe with cucumber and vinegar and salt and sugar and pepper. Um-m-m, cheesecake. Oh, and let's not forget home-made ice cream, or even the store-bought kind. Oh, YEAH, and let's put some of that on top of the pie. YES YES YES. And we could grind some wheat into flour and add some eggs from a chicken and a little water and PRESTO CHANGO PASTA. Oh yeah.

Let us worship coffee. Yes, the lowly coffee bean, completely natural, which some sinful humans learned to make into a beverage which makes you feel GOOD in the morning, and perhaps in the afternoon, but which is known to be ADDICTIVE and therefore is to be shunned. Include tea, which is also known to make you feel good and has some health benefits. All this can make you feel good and therefore is to be avoided.

Don't have some sweet uninterrupted sleep. You should work instead.

Guess what happens when you take perfectly innocent apples and add some sugar and some yeast? APPLEJACK! Otherwise known as hard cider. Catch it right before it turns, or you have cider vinegar. Now, you holy people can drink the vinegar, because that will make your body sick. And we all know, your body can have no pleasure.

Everything that makes you feel good, everything that makes you laugh or smile, everything that makes you look good, everything that smells good, everything that tastes good, everything that seems pretty to you, everyone you love, every nice sound, everything you want to touch, everything you like to look at...

Is just wrong... Life should just punish you; this is what my church taught. So very sad to feel guilty for any pleasure you can get out of life.

No divine being would want us to live that way. I don't have to, and neither does anyone else.;-)

Many people think that anything that is fun should be regulated.

I wonder how long it would take them to get a sex tax going?

If they'd have some more often, in all of its lovely variety, even in a monogamous relationship, they'd be less afraid of it.

That's one thing I like about Al and Tipper; you can tell they are still doing it.

with these people you definitley can't masterbate. :crazy: At my church we're talking about various issues in Proverbs (a great book in my opinion) and we just got done with staying out of trouble with sex. My opinion is you can have it as long as you protect yourself if you're not ready for a family yet and all that. You can't deny your harmones. If you do you'd be cranky and miserable all the time. Maybe that's why rightwingers are so angry.

standing.... they are afraid that it will lead to dancing.... ta dum dum.....

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...or perhaps Ann Coulter paid us a visit. :eyes:

Disgusting, filthy.

Dirty.

so they take out their frustrations on those who did

cause everybody knows god doesnt feel good. He is always cranky, smiting this group or drowning that group, turning folks into pillars of salt, making innocent pigs go nuts, that sort of thing.

NO FEELING GOOD!!!! NONE!!!

Now, if sex hurt? They would be all for it.

Sexuality is religious conservatism's biggest enemy, because it's the one they can't fight. People who aren't thinking about sex aren't thinking about (insert deity of your choice). They're thinking about themselves, which might in turn get them to thinking that they don't need to be as dependen on religion as they're expected to be.

:headbang:
rocknation

they have so little of it that they're afraid of it.

When you consider what the French call 'le petit mort' is it any wonder the fundies fear it?

Basically being in control. It's about not feeling good about yourself but thinking about spiritual matters instead. If it's your cup of tea, then fine. But don't stop someone else from having sex and making their own decisions. God didn't make us robots and we have freewill. In the book of Provberbs King Solomon gave some good advice about sexual matters but I think these people take it way too far and into people's lives that don't believe like they do. That's what I don't like.

are absolute maniacs, especially the Baptists.

That's one topic the preacher will never touch upon, heterosexual bed-hopping, because at least half (and that's a conservative estimate from this non-conservative) his congregation has engaged or is engaging in it.

IMHO, that's why the homosexuals have come in for such ire and wrath from these types of pastors. They still feel this need to preach against sex and this is still a safe topic for them. There are not likely to be any practicing homosexuals in a Baptist church.

So the pastor can fire up the fornicating and adulterating members with his fire-and-brimstone messages quoting from Leviticus and they all leave feeling better about themselves in that, even though they aren't perfect, at least they aren't "sodomites" for God's sake!

They have a (twisted) belief that anyone having any pleasure at all will upset their god. It's a form of puritanism.

Tucker

it is a physical thing - an obstacle to God that must be overcome through total control.

It's kinda like the sour grapes parable where the fox can't get the grapes so he says "Well they are probably sour anyway." and walks off. Only in this circumstance the fox not only calls the grapes sour but forces those who can get the grapes to call them sour as well, and damn those who eat them anyway to hell.

Sex, and normal sexuality or sexual feelings, means that they are not In. Control. At all. I was amazed at the amount of sexually oriented creepy stuff (one of my friends being molested by a family member, my other friend's dad carrying on a 20-year extramarital affair, etcetera,) that came out of the very fundamentalist church I grew up in.

Julie

And being out of control is the way of the dirty animal or worse yet, a savage. IMO, this still all comes down to the nature of man. godlike vs. animal.

judgmental? i don't get that. Truth is christian conservatives are just echoing the old, dying belief system that said "sex is bad, evil, dirty, etc." What we need is a new morality that reveres the sexual union between humans as something sacred, to be saved for a committed relationship (marriage) and it doesn't matter if you're straight or gay, sex should be saved for marriage. When you have sex with someone like you're a dog in the backyard, you put yourself on the same level as animals who are impelled to act on every impulse. What sets humans apart from animals is our ability to make thoughtful choices and delay gratification.

Now, if you want to have sex like a dog, I guess you have a right to that choice, but be aware you leave yourself open to disease, unwanted pregnancy and a broken heart. When you have sex like that, I bleieve you arrest the development of real intimacy with that person. Sex becomes a substitute for getting to really know a person. If you want to take sex to a higher level, wait until you really know someone before jumping into bed -- a process which takes at least a year. My mother used to say experience them "through all the seasons" of the year first because the real test is to watch how someone deals with difficult times, the stressful times. Anyone can impress you when it's smooth sailing.

My mother also used to say that female modesty ensures male honor. Boy, have we lost that these days, ey? Guys can only be as rotten as we women allow them to be! My Dad used to say that, and he was right. I'm not a fundamental Christian, but I do believe in sexual modesty. I don't believe we need to rule over all life - we just need to decide whether we're nothing more than animals -- or could we possibly be spiritual beings as well?
JoMama.

sex is a powerful and inseparable part of the human experience. we need to treat it that way.

i'm not sure about the 'female modesty ensure male honor' thing - seems to put all of the blame on one side. but as far as the rest, it sounds like a noble way to approach the world with the caveat that people make mistakes and that is also a part of the human experience.

if we treat sexuality as a wonderous thing that is good, then we will see people start acting as if it is worthy of such a place in our lives. otherwise, people will act out in undignified ways sexually if they believe that sex is an undignified obstacle to God (or whatever spiritual existence makes us feel whole).

and they have been around a lot longer than the "dying belief system" you refer to. Humans have not always been this bizarrely afraid when it comes to sex. It is an phenomena that correlates to humans belief in man as divine, or in the image of the divine. Judgment of other cultures, like savages and liberals as sinners also correlates directly with the idea of man as divine or in God's image.

symbol of the right, and THE penis is the phallic symbol of the left. (In some cases a dildo will do), just like in some cases for the right wing it can be a semi-automatic phallic gun.

They've been taught since before they knew what sex is, that it's immoral and there is undoubtedly punishment for anybody weak-willed enough to enjoy it.

They still want it, and they will get it in furtive, unconventional ways and expiate any guilt or sense of responsibility with twisted rationalizations like they were led into it against their better judgment. They still feel they must oppose it so they harshly condemn anybody who finds sex the joyful, life-affirming act that it truly is. Conflict resolved. Praise the lord.

doesn't mean I'm offended or afraid of it.
I just say it doesn't exist.

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