Wake up call. If *Bush goes, what could be worse?

Cheney. Then we would have an honest-to-god dictator on our hands. This guy scares the crap out of me. I think he's the brains behind a lot of this. Easy as it is to point all fingers at *Bush, I've felt since before the '00 election that he was a figurehead. Was telling people then not to vote for this guy, he'll be a figurehead for the hard right's agenda. Other people are running the show. This stuff with Iraq and Halliburton has Dick's fingerprints all over it. Rove is smart but an advisor, not a politician/CEO. Is Cheney really running the company? Quite possibly. Rove heads the marketing dept.

That CNN poll another user posted on who should take responsibility for the SOTU made me think. Only 5% Said Cheney. We need to get them all out of there.

Anyone know what the order of ascencion is after Bush-Cheney-? It's Frist or DeLay isn't it? Hmm... Not much better. Maybe, just maybe, we shouldn't be in such a hurry to impeach after all. Let them keep digging themselves deeper for '04.

Just some things to keep in mind as we all prepare jump in on this impeachment feeding frenzy.

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i think they would all merit impeachment, including cheney, rumsfeld, rice. hopefully ashcroft too, for arresting chong and shitting on the constitution.

;)

Plus, if Bush is eliminated, it casts has a huge shadow over lame duck Cheney.

Cheney must go as well. In fact, he really is the de facto "president". When Bush and Cheney took over, the U.S. government was essentially taken over by the Carlyle Group.

Bush is just a figurehead of these very twisted people. He reads what they tell him to read and is not really the decision maker in all of this. Cheney must go if Bush does. Of course that would leave Dennis Hasstert. If Hasstert becomes president then any Democrat will kick his ass even Lieberman.

John

I was worried there.

This whole administration's policy has Cheney written all over it. The most shadowy vp in the our history by far for the most secretive administration.

. . . I can't imagine Cheney not going with him. He's been mouthing the lies as well, and, like Bush, he has no excuse for mouthing them.

My night mare scenario is that sometime before the Frat Boy and the Cave man fall, Speaker Hastert, who is next in line as Speaker of the House, steps aside and is replaced by Tom DeLay.

Is that bad enough for you?

Dubya, Cheney, Frist, Delay....they all give me the shivers. Its hard to imagine anyone worse than Bush, buth the thought of Cheney!!! Also, I am a Texan, and we are getting a good look at what Delay is all about here in the Lone Star State.
It looks like things are about to implode with this administration, but hey, Dubya is pretty slimey. We must keep up the pressure. Keep spreading the news, America is bound to wake up soon.
mourningdove

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

1 to a crawfish ranch and the other to an undisclosed location....and I cannot wait!!!! :bounce:

Period.

you think Cheney is worse?

Why do you think Bush can go down in flames, but Cheney will remain unscathed, untainted?

I want them all gone. Just trying to get people to think. Smart activists need to think of these things, otherwise you can end up making a bigger mess.

As for what makes Cheney worse, like I said, Halliburton, Iraq, all the secrecy have Cheney's fingerprints all over them. If this man is smart enough and heartless enough to orchestrate this whole thing - a fradulant election, a war that resulted in hundreds of American deaths, repression of civil liberties possibly (I emphasize POSSIBLY) even 9-11, I would put nothing past him. Bush isn't smart enough to come up with this stuff. The man has been a failure his whole life, but because Daddy is former VP/Prez/rich oil tycoon, no one has ever called him on it.

Some speculation based on my observation. I don't like delving into conspiracy thoeries, but these are things that have to at least be considered. Take it or leave it.

as much as I do a Bush. Bush can get away with stuff. Everyone trusts him. I don't think people trust Cheney. Cheney couldn't get away with all the shite Bush has gotten away with. The man wouldn't get any popular support at all.

Which is not to say he'd care about popular support. I just wanted to emphasize that Bush puts a positive face on Cheney's deeds.

I've thought that this whole thing has been kinda weird. I don't understand what's with the media now; after years of licking ass they're on the attack. Things also seem as if they're orchestrated. After all it was Cheney who called for the investigation of the Niger uranium deal in the first place. What if he was responsible, either directly or indirectly, for putting it into the speech after he already knew it was fake?

What I'm saying is I don't trust the "familiar drip, drip, drip" partially because on the one hand it's too familiar (it's formulaic watergate shit) and partially because it's completely out of character for our corporate media. Tenet's mea culpa was irregular too. I think what we're are seeing is an internal power struggle within the administration and the ruling elite at large. Heads will roll and they should, but what will the real effects of it be? It's hard to imagine, but could we be worse off because of it?

These events are going to take a while to make sense of. Unfortunately things like this tend to get more confusing as time goes on.

And the WH not only forgot to make plans for post-war Iraq, they forgot to make plans for post-war America.

Up until now the Bu$h WH has contolled the message. Now they have no message to control and so the junkies are looking for another fix.

it seems _completely_ orchestrated to me-- there's been some speculation that the bushies have outlived their usefulness, and are now being "recalled" by the "board of managers"

mike ruppert's article here:
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/070103_beyond_bush_1.html

Cheney isn't electable. There's a reason that he's the one calling the shots as the Vice President. If he could get elected himself, he wouldn't need Bush.

Cheney just looks evil, without Bush to stand in front of the Camera, Cheney's reign of terror is over. The country would take one look at him, and that would be it. The presidency is a popularity contest, and Cheney would have a hard time winning a popularity contest, even if he were the only one entered.

Let's face it, it would be really difficult to find anyone else in the country that is as much of a brainless puppet as bush that has the name recognition to get elected. That's why the Bush handlers have invested so much time and money getting bush into the White House.

More signs point definitively to him, don't they? That was what happened during Watergate - Nixon dumped everybody else overboard, one by one, to save himself. Eventually he ran out of dumpees and he was the only one left when the choppy seas demanded one more.

He wouldn't need to get elected. If Bush takes the fall and Congress and the American sheeple are stupid enough to leave the rest of that admin standing, the transition to fascist dictatorship could be complete. There may be no more elections. With the way Congress and the sheeple are sleepwalking, I wouldn't put it out of the realm of possibility. All it would take after that would be another terrorist attack and then they'd ram Patriot Act II through. Goodnight America.

Maybe a little far-fetched? Yeah. Not impossible though. They've already tried to sneak Patriot Act II in, but pulled back when the whistle was blown.

I think it was Russert. Vice President Cheney asked for this Niger inquiry, he's steps down the hall from the President, and he didn't go tell him? No, Cheney will be in it, and he's got alot more questions to answer than Bush.

eom

unless Cheney can be gotten out first as Agnew was.

Hastert is a fairly staunch conservative republican, but he's not a creature of the oil industry. And aside from Dan Burton and a few other kooks, Midwestern republicans tend to be more pragmatic and less ideologically driven than those from the south. Hastert would be better than the PNAC cabal and better than DeLay.

Keep the ship from hitting an iceberg until someone can right it in '04. We hope.

He pulls little Georgies strings. Who did they rush to an undisclosed location after the 9-11 attacks? Not Shrub boy. They left him siting in a classroom full of 2nd graders for 15 minutes.

It would be pretty amusing watching Cheney up front for a change; there would be this guy following him around with the paddles fully charged.

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Our vision of possibility must ask this and let this be. We must stop being ruled by fear and the limitations it brings. Life is not based on fear except on the narrow one we are creating. Cheney is not going to take over our country. we must free ourselves form these ideas and go forward and create the world we disire. It's not just hocus pocus. the people have the power to make the world a better place. C'mon these few people have had the power to create what's before us......see it just that easy. I believe the power of heart is much stronger than creed or what ever you want to call it. We just have to believe and let it be.

all speeches by all the cabinet. Its all about re-election.