June 29th 2000? WTF? "Phase THREE"!!!???

Holy crap. Turn on Rani Rhoads NOW!!!! I can't exaplain... just do it.

Here we go folks. Everything is about to unravel.

If I find out who passed this to her :grr:

Listen. Please, please, I beg you to listen to me!!!

The Gitmo Contracts were awarded in 4/02 and 7/02.

A GENERAL construction/maintenance contract was awarded in 6/00 with a $300M cap.

The Gitmo contruction contracts were merely and extension of that general construction/maintenance contract and they were awarded in 4/02 and 7/02.

Whomever is passing this to Randi is either stupid, reckless or a fucking troll!!!!

That means Halliburton got a contract for "when we need things built, we'll come to you".

This does NOT mean the US government was planning the prison in 2000.

,...and I am feeling seriously upset right now,...well, frustrated to tears, frankly! I mean, when this shit happens do you cry or hit someone? Personally, I cry first,...then, I find the fucker who started the misinfo and deliver another place for them to excrete their bile!!!!

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,...but your personal attack on my character DOES define YOU. }( You are POWERLESS to define either me or the truth.

Now, I ask you: why are you insisting upon mischaractering the original contact by mixing in subsequent projects for Gitmo and PRETENDING like they add to the OP's assertion? What does that say about you? }(

What does that say about YOU? :grr:

I don't think she was attacking you. I did not read it that way. I think she was simply asking you to calm down a bit, that is all.

No need to fight, we have enough to deal with.

K?:D

"Work is expected to be complete by June 2001"

so presumably the original contract to be ready to provide emergency contruction started in June 2000. It was described as "base year plus four option years", so the base year ended in June 2001 (all the contract announcements say "expected to be completed by ..."). I think it's saying the contracts awarded in the first year could be up to $75 million, with $100,000 guaranteed (even if there's no construction, I guess - just for being ready. It's good to be Halliburton). The $300 million is the maximum amount that could be awarded in the base year, and the 4 option years - if the Navy decides to keep the contract going. Since the number on the contract matches the one in the July 2002 announcement, it looks like the contract was kept going for at least 2 more years.

She and I were talking about this last night, she went to do her own research... so you will have to let her know that all of her research is wrong. Oh, and I went to do my own research, so I was wrong too? Wait, then there were a few others... all wrong? Hmmm, odd.

contract worked? It looks like something saying "when the Navy needs emergency construction, anywhere in the world, Halliburton will get the job for the next 5 years". Is that correct? Then, 2 years later, they got the job to construct the cells at Guantanamo.

So is everyone worried that Halliburton gets easy government contracts? Yes, that is a problem. The military-industrial complex still hoovers vast amounts of money from the US taxpayer. But this doesn't mean they planned the cells in 2000.

Go into detail for obvious reasons, but please do me a favor and read the entire thing you posted, then do some research in addition to that.

As far as I can tell from government definitions on the web, my interpretation of what an indefinite delivery, indefinite quantity contract is was correct. I'm not sure what you mean by 'obvious reasons', though. Do you mean that RawStory is going to run something soon?

I certainly won't stop you. Go for it.

Next time, I'll shut up and hold my observations to myself.

I am human, but you are just bouncing off the walls here.

No more "bouncing off walls" over stuff like that. I get NOTHING in return for investing myself in such things.

I won't apologize for caring though.

However, I will avoid jumping in there when I see people I admire having their chains yanked.

Randi did her own research and is not a journalist, so is not bound to "behave" in a particular way. If she finds it was wrong, she will say so. It does not discredit her if she turns out to be wrong, because she is not obligated to journalistic standards, and she is honest enough to correct herself if such an event should happen... and she is not saying anything other than what she found, on which she has questions.

As for your concern regarding me, until something is in a news article, it is not news and until it becomes news, I am free to speculate in a responsible way. In fact, I want to speculate because facts don't materialize, sometimes one has to actually look for them.

You do not, however, see anything in print with my name attached discussing this and so my reputation is quite safe in regard to your concerns about this story. That does not answer it one way or another, but that is the way it is.

Is it possible in the future I might make an error? Absolutely. I am human and humans are not perfect. When I do, I will calmly explain my error.

I know your passionate, but this type of hysteria does nothing but feed this insane notion that humans are supposed to be right at all times and that all speculation must be fact... in other words, everyone should simply be quiet.

In any case, Randi is a very intelligent woman and she dug around for some time last night and this morning. I am sure she is comfortable saying what she said and you need to let that be your guide.

on to them at every opportunity.

Here we go again.

This thread makes no sense. It's posted like it's the end of the world. There's not much here that I can see.

Prison camps being built, Guantanamo is one of them. To jump from building a camp to MIHOP is wacky.

Who the fuck doesn't understand that it's not that the camp is being built that's at issue, but what happens within the camps. Who is presiding over camps that mistreat domestic and foreign hostages? Who is exporting terror? Those are the issues. Stop trying to make everything "Clinton's fault."

Get a fucking grip.

had a "phase III" appended to it in 2002 for construction of a detention facility at Guantanamo.

There was a DU thread about it yesterday or the day before, whether it meant Clinton was complicit in Iraq planning pre-* inauguration, whether somehow */Cheney had wrangled the military contract (for Halliburton, I think it was), or what.

I lost interest. The more knowledgeable folks appeared to be heading towards concluding that a supplemental award was glommed on to a pre-existing contract that had been awarded under Clinton, it was past my bedtime, so I logged off.

I should probably re-read it to make sure I presented it fairly.

contractors to build gitmo from summer 2000

Randi has invoices showing that the govt started building the detention centers in Guantanamo back in June 2000.

The military already has detention centers all over the US if they need them, so why build cages in Gitmo in June of 2000 unless you were expecting something?

Feed the cube rats please

I don't have a clue....

fill me in?????

according to this info..the detention site contracts for GITMO were awarded back in 2000

this is chilling

A conversation we had last night where I lost my mind when I tried to make Real ID, Detention camps built in 2000, and Patriot Act equal sanity.

So we went a digging to see if this was a common thing, that is what she is talking about.

building detention centers before September 11.??? Why did we need a prison camp in Gitmo in 2000?

:grr:

web site. Info about this. we were having detention centers built in Git mo in 2000. Why? Millions of $ paid for contractors to do so.

about this a couple of days ago.

all, it was during his administration that halliburton was assigned the contract to restore/rehabilitate Gitmo.

Rumsfeld being the chair of the ballistic missile assessment commission and all.

:grr:

...Pentagon would not have been visible at the Executive Branch level. That was an award made by certain individuals in the Pentagon, something that would not have needed White House approval.

I don't oppose NAFTA just because so many do. I can appreciate what could it could do in the hands of good people.

THERE it could be a good thing.

This one? Not so much.

...because it was a contract awarded by the Pentagon and was probably kept under the radar.

We know who the enemy is, and IMHO, it's not the last legally elected President.

Personally I believe that Bush and Clinton are of the same club. The opposames. I felt that Clinton was the best Republican President we ever had. Except for the Right Wing Conspirators he himself became more than middle of the road. Look at what he got us into with NAFTA.

...other country, wouldn't you agree?

When the NeoCons advised him to immediately invade Iraq in 1997, Clinton told them to forget it.

Just keep bashing Clinton if that makes you happy. Eventually, you and others like you are going to have to band together with the rest of us to make things happen.

into spending bills for the MIC?

Pentagon/MIC says jump and Democrats say how high.

That's why Wes Clark needs to POTUS to end this crap.

Keep the foolish conspiracy crap away from Clinton and focus on the REAL con-artists... the GOP war profiteers.

a little cheeze please!

was I believe approved in 1998.

There is an elephant in the room, and he's a Democrat...Clinton was President when these were approved.

were approved under Clinton. It is hard for me to believe that he didn't know about them. Yet there was 3 trillion missing from the Pentagon then too......

I do think that Clinton's role was exaggerated but North and the RW'ers also had a larger role which was not swept under the rug.

"The Federal Emergency Management Agency, FEMA, was conceived in the Nixon administration. The Carter administration further developed the program but it didn't really get teeth until Reagan stepped into office. From 1982-84 Colonel Oliver North assisted FEMA in drafting its civil defence preparations. Details of these plans emerged during the 1987 Iran-Contra scandal. They included executive orders providing for suspension of the constitution, the imposition of martial law, internment camps, and the turning over of government to the president and FEMA in the event of a national crisis.

In April 1984, President Reagan signed Presidential Directive Number 54 that allowed FEMA to engage in a secret national "readiness exercise" under the code name of REX 84. The exercise was to test FEMA’s readiness to assume military authority in the event of a "State of Domestic National Emergency" concurrent with the launching of a direct United States military operation in Central America. This much desired emergency never came, despite several provocations."
http://www.propagandamatrix.com/counterfeit_foe.html

I do not know the extent of this, but Clinton should not receive as much as the Lion's share of the blame for this.

him.

Randi just brought something really interesting up. The contract for Gitmo was awarded during a hot and heavy presidential campaign. Do you recall that Clinton never got out there to support Gore?

Gore, Gores' "advisors" told him to stay away from Clinton...

Sheessh, even I know that...

where has Clinton been in regard to all of the ** Lies? Playing footsie as the new member of the * Family. Gore has had the courage to speak out many times, and Clinton's silence is deafening. Our country is in real peril and he is doing nothing.

smear him. Get your attention where it should be.

** president then?

this is veeeery interesting

The whole Clinton regime and everything to do with Bush has been a farce.

Clinton is really a "democrat in name only"....There is proof now which solidifies it.

The clinton bashing is all a vicious distraction by the neocons....Why do you think every time they are pressed about the minutes, Clinton is brought up?

Because he was part of it....And legalized NAFTA. ;)

And they know it too. Clinton saxaphone shooting man is complicit in massive crimes. Corrupt to the last. He and his wife as well, want to be installed in "power" to complete the coup. These folks should be forced out into the limelight with no delay. :mad: :mad:

him with no bullets and used Monica instead.

:puke:

Too bad there's no way to get some DU'ers to listen to how they actually sound.

:mad:

BTW, wasn't the contractor Halliburton?

:grr:

:puke:

So that people get the idea. See, now I am as upset as I was last night. I was hoping to block it out this morning (see my post on panic below).

Somebody....somebody knew we needed a detention facility that was "offshore" and not subject to US Federal law....

I've seen the posts about Clinton....

my first guess is that Clinton knew about terrorism and was planning on having a place to interrogate the "bad guys" much in the same way Gonzoles later recommended. I don't know if that hold water or not.....but it's a first guess.....

Not something Clinton would have been involved in.

I suspect that if the scenario I layed out above isn't what happened then DoD slipped it through the budget as "Security Enhancements at Gitmo",. The other thread showed the history of the contracts and they were pretty blandly titled.....

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/facility/guantanamo-bay_x-ray.htm

Camp X-ray

In 1994, during the Haitian migrant operation "Operation Sea Signal" at Guantanamo Bay, a number of migrant camps were set-up at "Radio Range" the site of the Naval Base's radio antennas on the south side of the base, and the future site of the more permanent detainee facility.

To identify the camps, a name was designated to each to correspond with the phonetic alphabet used for official military "radio" communication (Camp Alpha, Camp Bravo up to Camp Golf). When additional sites were established on the north side of the base, camp names were designated using the opposite end of the alphabet, to include Camp X-Ray.

As of February 19, 2002, Camp X-Ray was the only camp site on the northern side of the U.S. Naval Base Guantanamo Bay and was being used as a temporary detention facility.

The first detainees arrived at Camp X-Ray January 11, 2002. Officials from the Red Cross visited the facility on January 17, 2004 and met with the facility commanders on January 21, 2004. According to a Washington Post story from June 13, 2004, meeting notes were drawn up from the meeting, as well as, on Januaray 24, 2004, a five-page memo was compiled by military authorities listing 29 issues of concern raised by the ICRC team.

more at link

I have been hearing about Guantanimo Bay for years and the detention cells. Weren't they used for other occurences in the past besides terrorists? And didn't they house Haitian refugees there?

A conversation we had last night because I was working on the time line and I had page and pages of documents. We decided to dig around this particular document regarding contracts, and it turns out we were building "camps" in 2000, before 9/11.

There are many military bases with their own prisons, so what the hell is this for? That is what we were flipping out about last night, she is telling you now, and so forth.

You should find the thread from poster "Just Me". He says Randi is wrong and is trying to get thru to her. Who is he?

I am going to go shave my legs now for fear of overgrowth.

n/t

at GITMO. It was reported on the BBC a couple years ago. I asked if the death chamber story was correct, was the chamber built, and are there plans to use it.

I wonder if Halliburton has the maintenance contract for GITMO.

I couldn't find it a few months ago.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/2979076.stm

Camp Delta death chamber plan

A court and execution chamber could be built at the US detention camp in Cuba under plans being drawn up by military officials.



Military tribunals for some of the hundreds of men detained at the US base on Guantanamo Bay moved a step closer last month with the appointment of a chief prosecutor and chief defence counsel.

Pentagon rules for the tribunals permit death sentences to be passed and the construction of a death chamber at the camp is among options being considered.

But defence officials stress that everything remains on the drawing board until orders are issued by the president.

Neatly filed it in my "Steps to Fascism" file. :(

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/2979076.stm

cannot find anything saying it was built... Congress does not know about this, the large majority that is. The one's who do know are one's who would probably not state that they knew or know. This is something I need a drink for, but I am taking the next 24 hours off because I am in need of rest badly.

reference just to let them know it isn't just some internet rumor.

I wonder if Keith O would like to look into it?

Going to fucking look into it. This is just out of control. And I am relaxed, very much so. Thank you.

(Relax as in take a deep breath then jump into the fray.)

I write my congressman because I helped his campaign. Otherwise I may not be as willing to write.

on that last week or so....I should have bookmarked it....rummy is pushing for the completion of the "death chamber" if I recall.

I hope my congressman can answer my question.

Clinton and the BFEE are in cahoots?

However, if this was a Pentagon contract I suppose Clinton could have been kept out of the loop...like he was on the Wes Clark "retirement" issue? The Pentagon under Clinton thought their shit didn't stink and that they could do anything they wanted. This could have been one of those things?

to go into Iraq when these baster wanted him back in 1998.

be logical to assume there were other pieces in place for something to happen? (OK -- in a rational world, it would be illogical -- but in *'s world -- it would be, um... part of plan).

http://www.crisispapers.org/Editorials/PNAC-Primer.htm

1. In 1992, then-Secretary of Defense Dick Cheney had a strategy report drafted for the Department of Defense, written by Paul Wolfowitz, then Under-Secretary of Defense for Policy. In it, the U.S. government was urged, as the world's sole remaining Superpower, to move aggressively and militarily around the globe. The report called for pre-emptive attacks and ad hoc coalitions, but said that the U.S. should be ready to act alone when "collective action cannot be orchestrated." The central strategy was to "establish and protect a new order" that accounts "sufficiently for the interests of the advanced industrial nations to discourage them from challenging our leadership," while at the same time maintaining a military dominance capable of "deterring potential competitors from even aspiring to a larger regional or global role." Wolfowitz outlined plans for military intervention in Iraq as an action necessary to assure "access to vital raw material, primarily Persian Gulf oil" and to prevent the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction and threats from terrorism.

Somehow, this report leaked to the press; the negative response was immediate. Senator Robert Byrd led the Democratic charge, calling the recommended Pentagon strategy "myopic, shallow and disappointing... .The basic thrust of the document seems to be this: We love being the sole remaining superpower in the world and we want so much to remain that way that we are willing to put at risk the basic health of our economy and well-being of our people to do so." Clearly, the objective political forces hadn't yet coalesced in the U.S. that could support this policy free of major resistance, and so President Bush the Elder publicly repudiated the paper and sent it back to the drawing boards. (For the essence of the draft text, see Barton Gellman's "Keeping the U.S. First; Pentagon Would Preclude a Rival Superpower" in the Washington Post.


2. Various HardRight intellectuals outside the government were spelling out the new PNAC policy in books and influential journals. Zalmay M. Khalilzad (formerly associated with big oil companies, currently U.S. Special Envoy to Afghanistan & Iraq ) wrote an important volume in 1995, "From Containment to Global Leadership: America & the World After the Cold War," the import of which was identifying a way for the U.S. to move aggressively in the world and thus to exercise effective control over the planet's natural resources. A year later, in 1996, neo-conservative leaders Bill Kristol and Robert Kagan, in their Foreign Affairs article "Towards a Neo-Reaganite Foreign Policy," came right out and said the goal for the U.S. had to be nothing less than "benevolent global hegemony," a euphemism for total U.S. domination, but "benevolently" exercised, of course.


See also http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article1665.htm

The Project for the New American Century.
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The People versus the Powerful is the oldest story in human history. At no
point in history have the Powerful wielded so much control. At no point in
history has the active and informed involvement of the People, all of them,
been more absolutely required.

William Rivers Pitt: 02/25/03

The Project for the New American Century, or PNAC, is a Washington-based think tank created in 1997. Above all else, PNAC desires and demands one thing: The establishment of a global American empire to bend the will of all nations. They chafe at the idea that the United States, the last remaining superpower, does not do more by way of economic and military force to bring the rest of the world under the umbrella of a new socio-economic Pax Americana.

The fundamental essence of PNAC's ideology can be found in a White Paper produced in September of 2000 entitled "Rebuilding America's Defenses: Strategy, Forces and Resources for a New Century." In it, PNAC outlines what is required of America to create the global empire they envision.
According to PNAC, America must:
* Reposition permanently based forces to Southern Europe, Southeast Asia
and the Middle East;
* Modernize U.S. forces, including enhancing our fighter aircraft,
submarine and surface fleet capabilities;
* Develop and deploy a global missile defense system, and develop a
strategic dominance of space;
* Control the "International Commons" of cyberspace;
* Increase defense spending to a minimum of 3.8 percent of gross domestic
product, up from the 3 percent currently spent.


Most ominously, this PNAC document described four "Core Missions" for the American military. The two central requirements are for American forces to "fight and decisively win multiple, simultaneous major theater wars," and to "perform the 'constabulary' duties associated with shaping the security environment in critical regions." Note well that PNAC does not want America to be prepared to fight simultaneous major wars. That is old school. In order to bring this plan to fruition, the military must fight these wars
one way or the other to establish American dominance for all to see.

Why is this important? After all, wacky think tanks are a cottage industry in Washington, DC. They are a dime a dozen. In what way does PNAC stand above the other groups that would set American foreign policy if they could? Two events brought PNAC into the mainstream of American government: the disputed election of George W. Bush, and the attacks of September 11th. When Bush assumed the Presidency, the men who created and nurtured the imperial dreams of PNAC became the men who run the Pentagon, the Defense Department and the White House. When the Towers came down, these men saw, at long last, their chance to turn their White Papers into substantive
policy.

CHAMBER right now!!! I was shocked when I heard this!

to kill any detainee who is found guilty after their so-called trial and they are sentenced to death.

Where can I get this audio?

has some 'splainin to do............

LIHOP? MIHOP?

Is Alex Jones right? Is there really no difference who is elected president 'cause there is a bigger conspiracy out there?

I don't know, but I think when the truth about 9/11 comes out, if it ever does, we are going to be horrified.

:tinfoilhat:

and follow all the links that were posted in this thread.

I'm not exactly sure what happened, but I do think that there's something going on that is far more sinister than we ever imagined! :scared:

So, GITMO was built in 2000. So one of two possibilities results:

A. Clinton Knew about it
B. The DoD kept it completely secret, even from the Prez.

Case A.
We've been fooled about our gov't a lot longer than we realize (probably back to Carter). The people in power have been the same group since 1984 and they just cycle between Repubs/Dems to make us 'feel' good about it. This explains all the pumping up (and dissing) of Hilary from the right. The GOP seems to respect/bash the candidate they want us to elect, just the right amount of respect, just the right amount of bashing to make us want to go for it.

Case B.
The PNAC worked its way into the gov't during the Clinton administration and planned to take over all 3 branches of the gov't with the 2000 election. 9/11 was planned by PNAC and they knew they would need GITMO to silence dissent and to clean up evidence (anyone part of the plan that they didn't want speaking anymore). An entire middle-eastern take over was the goal, starting with Afgahnistan and Iraq, but eventuallly moving into Syra, Iran, and yes, Saudi Arabia. U.S. wins the resource wars moves into world domination position, heads into economic boom and PNAC converts our democracy into a theological oligarchy.

Either way you look at it, the implications are pretty damn bleak

term? He was UNABLE to stay focused on foriegn affairs, and who kept him busy in another arena?

My goodness people...

Clinton is the evil mastermind! Clinton's behind every wrong turn that this nation has been forced to take!

Clinton! Clinton! CLINTON! :nuke:

:sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm:

Not as bad as most, good at sticking his head in the sand.

And monica's mouth;-).

:evilgrin: Welcome to DU. You've signed on at an interesting time! Cheers -- :toast:

That newcomer didn't last very long - look at #97 again. Kudos to the mods for that.

You're babbling like you've been hypnotized

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Hope I am one of the non-babblers. I tried hard to speak in one tongue at a time. Do let me know:D

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