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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 11:20 AM
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Verdict in Civil Rights Murders - Guilty of manslaughter
Edited on Tue Jun-21-05 11:36 AM by Pirate Smile
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"Attorney General Jim Hood told reporters after court recessed that prosecutors would ask the judge to allow the jury to consider a lesser charge of manslaughter in the case. Killen is charged with three counts of murder, which could lead to a life sentence. A manslaughter conviction would carry a maximum of 20 PHILADELPHIA, Miss. - An 80-year-old former Ku Klux Klansman was convicted of manslaughter Tuesday in the 1964 slayings of three civil rights workers — exactly 41 years after they disappeared.

The jury of nine whites and three blacks reached the verdict on their second day of deliberations, rejecting murder charges against Edgar Ray Killen.

Killen showed no emotion as the verdict was read. He was comforted by his wife as he said in his wheelchair. He was wearing an oxygen tube. Heavily armed police a barrier outside a side door to the courthouse and jurors were loaded into two waiting vans and driven away.

The verdict was 41 years to the date after James Chaney, Andrew Goodman and Michael Schwerner were ambushed, beaten, and shot.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050621/ap_on_re_us/civil_rights_killings;_ylt=AgL7P0Eye4Ymdv8XnsQSxM.s0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA2Z2szazkxBHNlYwN0bQ--
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Kraklen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 11:20 AM
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1. fingers crossed...
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 11:21 AM
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2. Guilty of manslaughter n/t
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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 11:21 AM
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3. manslaughter all three counts
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Kraklen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 11:22 AM
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4. manslaughter?
meaning he was involved in the killings but it wasn't as bad as murder?
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 11:24 AM
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8. Yes, I'm not sure of the implications yet.
Lesser charge then murder - murder in the commission of another crime.
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5thGenDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 11:27 AM
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12. It's felony manslaughter
Manslaughter committed during the commission of another crime, to wit: kidnapping.
John
Watching Court TV
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aden_nak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 11:25 AM
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9. I thought that spoke to whether it was premeditated or not.
But a lot of times, prosecutors will plea down to manslaughter just to get the conviction, because the burden of proof for manslaughter is not as great as for murder. Especially in an older case, where it's hard to get solid evidence as to the exact order of events or the mindset of the participants.
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Kraklen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 11:26 AM
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10. Premeditation is the difference between first and second...
degree murder.

And given those three boys were chased in their car and forced off the road where they were shot sort of implies premeditation.
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aden_nak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 11:27 AM
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11. So what is the variance between murder and manslaughter?
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Kraklen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 11:28 AM
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13. Manslaughter is when you kill somebody in a bar fight...
but didn't really mean to kill or hurt him.

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aden_nak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 12:03 PM
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22. Okay, so manslaughter is neither premeditated nor intentional.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 11:31 AM
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15. Prosecution requested manslaughter since the proof he was present ...
Edited on Tue Jun-21-05 11:34 AM by TahitiNut
... during the actual killings at the turnout was thin. Since the maximum sentence of 20 years for each count of manslaughter is, in effect, the same as if he were convicted of 1st or 2nd degree murder, the prosecution gained a higher degree of certainty of conviction with only a loss of distinction where there's no difference.

These killings ("Mississippi Burning") occurred immediately subsequent to my leaving the South (Mobile), and simultaneous with my 21st birthday. I'll never forget feeling "freed" of the oppression of living in such a culture as a "rite of passage" in becoming an adult.
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 12:14 PM
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23. Well, it was only 3/5 of each man murdered, you see. (NT)
Edited on Tue Jun-21-05 12:16 PM by Tesha
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Richardo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 11:23 AM
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5. I'll take it - I was scared there was going to be a hung jury
Evil motherf*cker.
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 11:23 AM
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6. Does this mean that they believe Killen organized the killings? (nt)
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mopaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 11:23 AM
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7. will there be riots and repercussions?
they were prepared for it
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 11:28 AM
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14. I am confused. Of course this was a premeditate murder case, no
doubt about it. So how can anyone reconcile that fact with a finding of manslaughter?
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tamtam Donating Member (450 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 11:35 AM
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18. Amen on that
They did not want to convict the evil bastard in the first place. I say it's murder plain and simple. That evil old bastard should live the rest of his sorry life in prison. He killed those people 40 years ago. He got 40 good years after he brutally killed those people, 40 good years he got. I say let the last 5 or 10 years of his life be spent in prison. Manslaughter is not good enough IMO.
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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 11:32 AM
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16. Guilty?
That link is several days old.

Where did you hear that a verdict was in? I can't find one anywhere.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 11:40 AM
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19. I put up a new link now. There wasn't a link yet but I put up one I
found that explained the manslaughter charge.
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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 11:42 AM
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20. Yeah, I just read about the verdict
They were never going to get a murder charge to stick to that guy. This is as good as could be hoped for. A huge victory.

Justice delayed is not justice denied.
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demo dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 11:32 AM
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17. They didn't even get it right! Manslaughter????
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Sapphire Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 11:53 AM
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21. Guilty! Guilty! Guilty! 41 years to the date!


The three civil rights workers killed in 1964 were: Michael Schwerner, 24, of New York; James Chaney, 21, from Mississippi; and Andrew Goodman, 20, of New York.

~ RIP ~
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