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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 02:28 PM
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British sources contradict Woolsey's claim that "fixed" does not mean "coo
British sources contradict Woolsey's claim that "fixed" does not mean "cooking the books" in the Downing Street memo

http://mediamatters.org/items/200506210004

Appearing on MSNBC's Hardball with Chris Matthews, former CIA Director R. James Woolsey repeated the false assertion -- which conservatives in the media have made and which Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice embraced during a previous interview with Matthews -- that the word "fixed," as used in the Downing Street memo, means something other than "cooking the books" in British parlance.

The memo, first published on May 1, contains the recorded minutes of a July 23, 2002, meeting of senior British cabinet officials and advisers. The memo reports that British intelligence chief Richard Dearlove stated, based on meetings with U.S. officials in Washington, that President Bush was determined even then to remove Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq "through military action" and that "the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy."

When Hardball guest host David Gregory asked Woolsey about this line, Woolsey stated: "I think that's not what 'fixing' means in these circumstances. I think people are not listening to British usage. I don't think they're talking about cooking the books." But British sources have said that "British usage" conforms exactly to the interpretation Woolsey tried to reject:


British Sunday Times reporter Michael Smith, the reporter who first disclosed the memo on May 1, ridiculed the notion that "fixed" has a different meaning in Britain in a Washington Post online chat: "There are number of people asking about fixed and its meaning. This is a real joke. I do not know anyone in the U.K. who took it to mean anything other than fixed as in fixed a race, fixed an election, fixed the intelligence. If you fix something, you make it the way you want it."


A British Broadcasting Corp. (BBC) documentary in March quoted the Downing Street memo more than a month before the Sunday Times published it. BBC reporter John Ware explained: "By 'fixed' the MI6 chief meant that the Americans were trawling for evidence to reinforce their claim that Saddam was a threat."


When the Sunday Times first disclosed the memo on May 1, it noted the Bush administration's attempt "to link Saddam to the 9/11 attacks" as an example of "fixing" the intelligence around the policy: "The Americans had been trying to link Saddam to the 9/11 attacks; but the British knew the evidence was flimsy or non-existent. Dearlove warned the meeting that 'the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy.' "


David Hughes, political editor of London's Daily Mail, argued in a May 2 column that the meeting detailed in the Downing Street memo "led inexorably to the publication of the 'sexed-up' Iraq weapons dossier two months later," referring to a now-famous 2003 report by BBC reporter Andrew Gilligan alleging that a British dossier on Iraq had been "sexed up" to hype the Iraqi threat.

From a panel discussion with Gregory, Woolsey and David Kay, the former top U.S. weapons inspector in Iraq, on the June 20 edition of MSNBC's Hardball with Chris Matthews:

GREGORY: James Woolsey, is not the issue here, when we talk about fixing the intelligence to meet the policy, that the case, as the memo asserts, was thin on Saddam Hussein and whether he possessed chemical, biological, even nuclear weapons?

WOOLSEY: I think that's not what fixing means in these circumstances. I think people are not listening to British usage. I don't think they're talking about cooking the books.

I do think that there seemed a lot of indications at the time that there were chemical and bacteriological, at least, agent in Iraq. And, indeed, one of the fascinating things in David's report was that captured Iraqi generals after the war were each saying, you know, my unit didn't have chemical weapons, but the unit to my right and unit to my left I know did.

We call that red-on-red cover and description. Saddam apparently was deceiving some of his own generals. So, you know, I think people ought to back off a bit on this notion that we knew exactly what the situation was and the books were being cooked. I don't think there is really any basis for that kind of allegation.

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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 02:30 PM
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1. kick because this is long
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 02:32 PM
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2. Notice also that this talking point doesn't offer an answer or definition
it just questions if that is the proper EnglishEnglish meaning.

This is the same technique that was (is) used in the Schiavo issue -"Well we just don't KNOW what happened that night" see no answer no guess at what they think could have happened just an attempt to get the listener distracted and second guessing the other side.
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 02:34 PM
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3. I thought this was pretty clear
British Sunday Times reporter Michael Smith, the reporter who first disclosed the memo on May 1, ridiculed the notion that "fixed" has a different meaning in Britain in a Washington Post online chat: "There are number of people asking about fixed and its meaning. This is a real joke. I do not know anyone in the U.K. who took it to mean anything other than fixed as in fixed a race, fixed an election, fixed the intelligence. If you fix something, you make it the way you want it."
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The Witch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 02:40 PM
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6. your sig is cool
i love those images ... :stares, looks away, sees red white & blue:
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 03:01 PM
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13. Yeah that is really cool huh?
Somewhere I have the same thing (bigger and with a white dot in the middle) framed from a t-shirt I got at a "Poster Children" concert.

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The Witch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 02:35 PM
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4. Just blogged on this. short & sweet.
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KarenS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 02:42 PM
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8. Ha!! Great point there!! n/t
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 03:02 PM
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14. excellent!!
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Kipling Donating Member (929 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 02:36 PM
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5. Lived in Britain all my life. It means what everyone knows it means.
Edited on Tue Jun-21-05 02:37 PM by Kipling
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ElectroPrincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 02:41 PM
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Woolsey's a tool + he owns stock in the war machine up to his eyeballs
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 02:41 PM
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7. Probably not for the last time, I'm British. "Fixed" means exactly what it
..says..."fixed"....cooking the books...

Have none of this right-wing fucktards heard of the phrase "fixing a fight"....what in the wide world of sports does that mean? Is the fight broken? I don't think so...

Gimme a break...it means what it says...the facts were being fixed...

Bush lied.

Period.
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LightningFlash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 02:43 PM
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10. Bush lied, result led to thousands died.....
And he claims to have support for Iran......
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 02:43 PM
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9. Woolsey is the most blatant liar I've ever seen on TV
I mean, every fucking word out of his mouth is a bald-faced, blatant lie.

The man is without shame.
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 02:54 PM
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12. He's been doing exactly that for years on TV, a truly disgusting
individual who doesn't give a damn about America.
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sunnystarr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 03:06 PM
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15. Woolsey is PNAC ... nuff said (nt)
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 02:53 PM
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11. Woolsey has been on of the main war mongers for years.
But, when you consider what happens to ex-CIA heads who don't "toe the line" (canoe accidents), maybe he's trying to save his life.
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hedda_foil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 04:20 PM
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20. Woolsey was on TV hawking Iraq war FOUR DAYS AFTER 911.
He's at the tippy top of the PNAC peak.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 07:44 PM
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22. One of the signers of the PNAC letter to Clinton in '98
Edited on Tue Jun-21-05 07:44 PM by annabanana
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Cogito ergo doleo Donating Member (382 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 03:07 PM
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16. Meaning of "fixed" from the author of the article, Michael Smith
Transcript
The Downing Street Memo

Michael Smith
Reporter, Sunday Times of London
Thursday, June 16, 2005; 10:00 AM

From the Washington Post

Fairfax, Va.: Do you expect we will see more leaks which further corroborate the assertion that Bush lied to justify the neoconservatives' aggressive stance against Iraq? Also, what are your thoughts on the semantics argument of the Iraq war supporters (i.e., in the U.K., "fixed around" doesn't mean what you think it means...)?

Michael Smith: There are number of people asking about fixed and its meaning. This is a real joke. I do not know anyone in the UK who took it to mean anything other than fixed as in fixed a race, fixed an election, fixed the intelligence. If you fix something, you make it the way you want it. The intelligence was fixed and as for the reports that said this was one British official. Pleeeaaassee! This was the head of MI6. How much authority do you want the man to have? He has just been to Washington, he has just talked to George Tenet. He said the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy. That translates in clearer terms as the intelligence was being cooked to match what the administration wanted it to say to justify invading Iraq. Fixed means the same here as it does there. More leaks? I do hope so and the more Blair and Bush lie to try to get themselves off the hook the more likely it is that we will get more leaks.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discussion/2005/06/14/DI2005061401261.html?sub=AR

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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 03:39 PM
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17. Thank you very much, helderheid. Rec'd.
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kansasblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 03:47 PM
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18. Use this: "fixed" = 'Sexed up!"
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 04:05 PM
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19. my favorite so far
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hippywife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 07:41 PM
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21. Skewered on his on words--
I do think that there seemed a lot of indications at the time that there were chemical and bacteriological, at least, agent in Iraq. And, indeed, one of the fascinating things in David's report was that captured Iraqi generals after the war were each saying, you know, my unit didn't have chemical weapons, but the unit to my right and unit to my left I know did.

Why would Saddam lead these generals to believe this? Oh, I don't know...maybe to keep them from fucking deserting by making them believe that the units to the left and right of them had what it took to defend them all in case on an invasion?
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