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lostnfound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-23-03 11:59 PM Original message |
Military-industrial complex & empire-building: Is change possible? |
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starroute (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-24-03 01:07 AM Response to Original message |
1. It goes back a good long ways |
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lostnfound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-24-03 01:09 PM Response to Reply #1 |
6. Let's think 'Tactics for inducing paradigm shifts' |
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IrateCitizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-24-03 02:10 PM Response to Reply #6 |
13. May I recommend "The Politics of Meaning" by Michael Lerner? |
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starroute (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-25-03 12:02 PM Response to Reply #13 |
50. I'd also recommend "Nonzero" by Robert Wright |
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IrateCitizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-25-03 12:13 PM Response to Reply #50 |
51. I'll have to check that one out. Thanks. |
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lostnfound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-25-03 11:52 PM Response to Reply #51 |
55. Thank you so much for pointing out your previous thread.. |
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IrateCitizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-26-03 08:11 AM Response to Reply #55 |
58. Thanks, it's been an evolutionary process for me. |
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IrateCitizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-24-03 01:45 PM Response to Reply #1 |
8. I think you may have won the door prize on this one, starroute! |
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RichM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-24-03 02:27 PM Response to Reply #8 |
18. There's one area here that I respectfully feel needs more att'n - |
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IrateCitizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-24-03 02:39 PM Response to Reply #18 |
22. Be careful of putting the cart before the horse, Rich |
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DrFunkenstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-24-03 01:16 AM Response to Original message |
2. See How Kerry Feels About The Military-Industrial Complex |
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RichM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-24-03 01:32 AM Response to Original message |
3. We are headed to disaster if there is no change, and the gutlessness |
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DrFunkenstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-24-03 02:25 AM Response to Reply #3 |
4. See #2 |
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lostnfound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-24-03 01:38 PM Response to Reply #3 |
7. I've been surprised at the lack of discussion on the subject here |
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RichM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-24-03 02:04 PM Response to Reply #7 |
12. The "lack of discussion on the subject here" proves several |
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IrateCitizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-24-03 02:13 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. Perhaps this isn't a good thread for GDF, RichM |
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CWebster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-24-03 02:34 PM Response to Reply #14 |
20. Please don't suggest that IC |
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IrateCitizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-24-03 02:42 PM Response to Reply #20 |
23. I'm speaking half tongue-in-cheek, CWeb. |
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hang a left (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-24-03 03:39 PM Response to Reply #14 |
29. My thoughts about the discussion of MIC and the lack thereof |
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CWebster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-25-03 08:37 AM Response to Reply #29 |
38. The culture has to advocate the awareness |
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lostnfound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-26-03 12:00 AM Response to Reply #38 |
56. Sense of hopelessness turned into action for me after 9-11 |
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Mandate My Ass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-24-03 02:25 PM Response to Reply #7 |
17. "the president alone can't do it, even if we elected one who wanted to" |
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shance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-24-03 04:32 PM Response to Reply #17 |
31. Great points Monica - ultimately its all about us and how we effect others |
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IrateCitizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-25-03 08:18 AM Response to Reply #31 |
36. Damn straight, shance! |
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Mandate My Ass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-25-03 08:40 AM Response to Reply #36 |
39. "What then must we do?" |
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IrateCitizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-25-03 08:51 AM Response to Reply #39 |
41. I'm a HUGE Hightower fan -- I subscribe to his "Lowdown" newsletter |
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Mandate My Ass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-25-03 09:03 AM Response to Reply #41 |
43. You should be jealous!! |
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IrateCitizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-25-03 09:12 AM Response to Reply #43 |
45. Coulter and Limbaugh are good at tapping into people's disconnection |
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RichM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-25-03 09:21 AM Response to Reply #39 |
47. Re: Frank Dorrel's "Addicted to War" comic book -- |
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Mandate My Ass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-25-03 09:32 AM Response to Reply #47 |
48. Thanks for the heads up, Rich |
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RichM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-25-03 10:40 AM Response to Reply #48 |
49. Yes. Let me tell you - |
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Astarho (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-24-03 02:37 PM Response to Reply #7 |
21. Little bit of everything |
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el_gato (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-24-03 08:52 AM Response to Original message |
5. It has to be confronted |
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DrFunkenstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-24-03 01:49 PM Response to Original message |
9. No Comments On Kerry's Record? |
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IrateCitizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-24-03 02:00 PM Response to Reply #9 |
10. I read it, and I wouldn't say that it means Kerry wants to dismantle it |
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lostnfound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-24-03 02:18 PM Response to Reply #9 |
16. Re Kerry: Encouraging info, thanks. |
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CWebster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-24-03 02:02 PM Response to Original message |
11. What will it take to make a difference? |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-24-03 02:15 PM Response to Original message |
15. The U.S. military budget exceeds that of the next 25 nations combined |
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IrateCitizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-24-03 02:30 PM Response to Original message |
19. Building concentric "circles of caring" |
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dpibel (898 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-24-03 03:01 PM Response to Original message |
24. The American Way of Life is Not Negotiable |
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IrateCitizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-24-03 03:14 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. You're absolutely correct -- but it's not a cause for lost hope |
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reachout (236 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-24-03 03:19 PM Response to Reply #24 |
27. Excellent thread |
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dpibel (898 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-24-03 03:51 PM Response to Reply #27 |
30. Clarifying Echo |
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IrateCitizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-25-03 08:14 AM Response to Reply #30 |
35. "Do we have several generations left to make the change?" |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-24-03 03:27 PM Response to Reply #24 |
28. You expressed that very nicely |
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shance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-24-03 04:43 PM Response to Reply #24 |
32. Great post. However we are now getting closer |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-24-03 03:15 PM Response to Original message |
26. It's a midset and a force beyond logic |
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CWebster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-25-03 08:55 AM Response to Reply #26 |
42. Be interesting to know what your thoughts are |
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seventhson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-24-03 04:57 PM Response to Original message |
33. That is Why I posted about the ties of Clark to the MPRI Corporation |
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Mandate My Ass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-25-03 08:13 AM Response to Original message |
34. Morning kick for an important thread |
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Jacobin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-25-03 08:27 AM Response to Original message |
37. Alternative energy development is the absolute key to this |
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IrateCitizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-25-03 08:42 AM Response to Reply #37 |
40. Then let me ask you the following questions: |
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Capt_Nemo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-25-03 09:11 AM Response to Original message |
44. Not only is possible, it is inevitable |
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IrateCitizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-25-03 09:14 AM Response to Reply #44 |
46. I don't think that Russia is a very nice place today, Capt_Nemo |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-25-03 12:42 PM Response to Original message |
52. The Pentagon Lost 3.6 Trillion Dollars |
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lostnfound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-25-03 01:43 PM Response to Reply #52 |
53. A very good point, and I think it's important to |
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SeattleRob (893 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-25-03 02:19 PM Response to Original message |
54. The 1st step..... |
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IrateCitizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-26-03 08:07 AM Response to Reply #54 |
57. CFR is one of those "steps toward a better society" that is doable |
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