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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-05 10:57 PM
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We Can't Pull Out Because the Terrorists Will Out Wait Us
Don't believe this line of Republican Bull.

If that were true, the Iraqi militants (NOT terrorists, NOT insurgents) would cease fire and await the pull-out of the U.S.

But they know something that America does NOT YET KNOW. The Administration will NEVER leave Iraq. This place will become a PERMANENT COLONY of the U.S. Empire, as will Afghanastan, Iran and Syria.

If American's start to 'come around' to Bush's war in Iraq because "We can't pull out because that wouldn't be the right thing to do..." BULL SHIT! The right thing to do is to PULL OUT NOW. Bring home the troops. Let the Iraqi people DECIDE THEIR OWN GOVERNMENT. NO GOVERNMENT IMPOSED on them, by ANY FOREIGN FORCE, including America, will be a democracy.

Spread the word my friends, because if we don't, we'll get sucked into supporting it. I don't like what I'm hearing from our Democratic leaders, as they seem to be saying "Yes we need to stay the course" to look 'strong'. What they are missing is this:

The TOUGH decision is to pull out. This will give the Iraqi people the INCENTIVE to develop their own government. The counter-attacks by the Iraqi's (NOT FORIEGN terrorists) will stop. And American soldiers will stop dying for the Administration's profiteering. This is the response the Democrats need to be giving.
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BayouBengal07 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-05 11:00 PM
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1. I can see where you are coming from
From many interviews I've seen from Iraqis, they always say "why can't/don't the Americans provide security?". Pulling out would force them to stop relying on us. Of course, it could create a power vaccuum, but hey, what is it right now if not a hellhole on the brink of rupture? Would our removal really make it THAT much worse?
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-05 11:04 PM
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3. It comes down to who you believe
If you believe the Adminstration, that foreign fighters are flowing in from other countries are the only forces resisting the occupation, then pulling out doesn't seem right. But if you don't believe this (and we have many reasons NOT TO BELIEVE A WORD THE ADMINISTRATION UTTERS), then a more logical explanation for all these attacks are that they are coming from the Iraqi people.

And why? Because they know if they don't get rid of the occupation, they will have to live with it forever. Iraq will never be a soveriegn nation. The administration will never allow this to happen.
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-05 11:07 PM
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5. Well, That's Simply Untrue
Generals have said as much. So, no matter what Silverspoon or Rummy or Tricky Dick say, the combatants are Iraqis. They aren't coming from other countries. You're right. That's a complete falsehood.
The Professor
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-05 11:02 PM
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2. yes, most of what you say is true
they also use that excuse why they can't give a timetable

they say if they give a timetable then the minute we pull out the insurgents will take over

Effectively, what they are saying is the "iraqiis" will never be able to take over

Unfortunately, I do not have much faith in the Democrats to get us out of there either

Remember the killing stopped in Viet Nam when we left

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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-05 11:09 PM
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6. We can't leave until they show they don't want us to leave and
then we can't believe they are fine with us being there and able to take care of themselves because they are just pretending so we'll leave. See? I hate that excuse. It makes no sense to me.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-05 11:23 PM
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8. that's good, that's very good
have you ever thought of being a stock market analyst?
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BillZBubb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-05 11:05 PM
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4. That line only makes sense to people of limited intellect.
In other words, that's why the Repugs and sheeple actually fall for it.

If we announced a time table for withdrawal, three key things would happen: 1) The Iraqis would realize they have to get serious about sorting out their own mess. and 2) The resistance fighters would lose their major motivation. and 3) foreign fighters would stop coming since the Americans wouldn't be there to attack.

There will be jockeying for power and some bloodshed, but that will occur whether we stay or not. The best option is to say we are leaving, and we'll be totally gone on such and such a date (maybe six months). We will support any government the Iraqi people choose, so long as they do not support terrorists.
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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-05 11:40 PM
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9. Well said, amBushed!
All the "We can't leave because..." excuses coming from the administration are further lies to justify pressing on to their true objective: turning Iraq into a wholly privatized free market paradise completely under foreign (US) control. Why should Iraqis sit still for that? Whose country is it?
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formernaderite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-05 11:10 PM
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7. Let's assume for a moment that Iraq is terrorist flypaper...
which in essence is what they Bush admin is saying. That in itself is a pretty sick scenario...I'm sure the Iraqi's have no idea the Bush admin is avoiding dealing with terrorists here in the US and instead putting the Iraqui people themselves at risk.
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BewilderedCitizen Donating Member (47 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-05 11:58 PM
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10. I have a hard time believing this argument too.
Maybe it sounds better when washed down with a big glass of Kool-Aid. First, if you believe that Iraq is attracting terrorists from other countries, so we're going to fight them there so we don't have to fight them here, well, that's a hell of a way to "liberate" Iraq and bring them freedom and democracy. Second, if we announce a timetable to withdraw, and the "terrorists" quit fighting to wait us out, wouldn't that be a good thing? While there were no daily suicide bombers, maybe we could actually get the Iraqis trained to defend their own country. Concerning the suicide bombers, I keep hearing that they are the ones that are coming from foreign countries. How do they know this exactly? I would think that when you pick up a piece of burned flesh that it would be difficult to tell its nationality. Maybe they're leaving their passports laying around like they did at the WTC.

The truth is, IMHO, that we have no intention of leaving. Even after we have the puppet government of our choosing installed that will allow us to carve up their resources, we still need to have our bases in place so we can make our next stop on the axis of evil. This has nothing to do with WMD, 9/11, or terrorism. This is the hostile takeover by a few select corporations, not of another company, but of an entire country. And if a few corporations like Haliburton also happen to fill their pockets along the way, so much the better. And even after all this, we'll need to keep a sizeable force in Iraq to watch over all this newfound wealth.
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