They're gonna ride out the storm...

and they had their barometer out today to see how high the issue remains in the media. They saw. It has not gone away. I thought CIA director would resign today but it seems that the Administration is closing off the doors and plan on stonewalling this as long as possible. We will see if the press deems it worthy to pursue. It's getting deeper and deeper. Tony Blair is scheduled to speak before Congress this week...

It did take the media a long time to wake up about this jerk. I can't wait until Michael Moore's next movie comes out-maybe the media will take him to task over 9-11, instead of letting the repubs continue to blame it on Bill (although testimony from both at public hearings would put that to rest).

If the average citizen puts together the killing of American troops day after day and Bush's lies about the WMDs then he will lose 3/4 of the people. This is something the right wing media can't control because it's true and the people know it. They have to create scenario after samarium to cover their lies and it isn’t working.

The Bushies have lost control of the situation and can't seem to come up with something that sounds plausible. The only ones believe the lies are the freeper types.

We should not be sending troops to Liberia. It will turn into another quagmire!!!

Even if troops are sent to Liberia it will be a very small contingent and the problems won't even be close to what we see in Iraq. Liberia is a totally different country with totally different concerns. Whether we go there or not will not mean much of anything.

if I was al Quada I'd be booking my flight to Liberia with my buddies right now.

It makes less sense then Iraq.

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people over here...glad you joined us....


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Who knows...

from the 1996 campaign.

Bushco isn't sure how to handle it.
CEOs I've been associated with are used to mercelessly stomping those who disagree with them...So far, the tactic is failing regarding the "16 words".

The one thing I LOVE about all of thie 16 words thing is Bush claims to be "out of the loop" like poppa did in the Iran-Contra scandal!
And the media is allowing the claim to go unchallenged!
The president isn't responsible for the SOTU speech content...he only read what was given to him?

Impeachment material all the way.

Fourscore and seven years ago, our forefathers brought forth on this continent a new nation....

that Clinton's statement – "I did not have sex with that woman…" was only 8 words, if they're into counting words.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Maaarrrrrrrriiiiiieeeeeee!

They've basically provided us with the catchphrase for this whole shebang. "Sixteen words that brought down a presidency--60 Minutes' retrospective on the Iraq debacle." It just instantly lends itself to the kind of cheap irony journalists just swoon over (makes 'em feel so clever and poetic 'n' stuff). Instead of a stick to beat off their critics, it's already starting to look like a neat little epitaph. Always nice when you can write your own....

Whatever.

This one looks pretty bad. Chuck Hegel can't say what he said without someone having to pay a price...someone WILL have to answer questions.

TWEETY is even trying to spin it off of Bush

Democrats needed to make the issue and they're nowhere so far :eyes:

The only one it worked for was Clinton, who'd done nothing all that very wrong to start with -- and it wasn't about governing the nation anyway.

I don't see any way out of this for them. The ONLY possibility is if the press lets go, and they don't seem to be doing so.

Eloriel

...rather than just follow their neo-con gut instincts. The gut instinct is to "gut it out," of course, show that they're real men, real mean, they can take it, if only Nixon had held on, etc etc.

Which is the stupidest possible approach. It only makes the inevitable breakdown that much worse, with everybody hating them for the arrogance and relishing the fact that they've been slammed and looking for ways to kick them when they are down.

Accepting Tenet's resignation would have been the smartest move. Might have slowed the acceleration of this slide a bit, though it wouldn't have worked. It would have given them the right emotional position: "See? We hacked off a limb, now can't you awful people leave us alone?" It wouldn't have answered the crucial question (if Tenet caved to pressure, who was pressuring him?) and that still would have been asked and they still wouldn't have an answer and it would still build up pressure. But that move might have taken some air out of the scandal.

But stonewalling and toughing it out NEVER works. Not when you're actually in the wrong. In fact, the only thing that DOES work is coming clean EARLY. And it's too late for that. Far too late. Number one rule when you've dug yourself into a hole: stop digging. But in their neo-con groupthink wisdom they ALWAYS go by the theory that if it ain't working, do more of it.

There was a chance they might be able to pull it out by being smart. But they are being themselves instead, which is damn good news. From every angle I look at it, it looks to me like they're fucked.

The story made for some sensational headlines... and then...

"Look! We have 'democracy' in Iraq! Happy people in the streets!! The statue of Saddam toppling again from cool archival footage!"

The not-so-subtle message: The lies were worth it, because of 'regime change! So shut up you doubters and nitpickers!

Ho ho..as HST might say... just wait and see how benevolent the long-repressed Shiites are once they consolidate power. "Democracy" isn't in the vernacular or experience of the once fertile crescent.

Meanwhile, I figure the uranium/CIA debacle has a half-life of 5-7 days.

Me? I am waiting for this council to go the way of an I/P roadmap... :nuke:

When is the 9-11 report coming out?

Is this a cover for that or just the begining. Isn't there "explosive" information in the report supposedly?

Will the media go to the aluminum tubes? Wasn't Cheney still using that long after it had been debunked?

Welcome to DU!

Talked about them in the SOTU, showed Colon's PowerPoint picture of them at the UN, then said that experts have said they cannot be used for nuclear weapons.

Jim is angry. You won't like him when he's angry


To: OWK

I've got a feeling that if we had FR when Ronald Reagan was in office, some of you guys would've been campaigning against him and some of his "socialist" policies and run away spending too. No one took him serious about defeating the communists. Well, thank God there were not so many short-sighted, weak kneed cowards around in those days as we seem to have today.


23 posted on 07/15/2003 4:08 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (Conservative by nature... Republican by spirit... Patriot by heart... AND... ANTI-Liberal by GOD!)
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Welcome to DU!! :toast:

there's a chance that * may actually be afraid of letting Tenet go?
what would stop Tenet at the point from saying anything,because whether * let him go or not, he'd still be expected to testify to Congress.

"Freedom's just another word for nothin' left to lose."

even though Janis sang the definitive version, Kris Kristofferson actually wrote that song.

Not far off with the philosopher remark, because he was a Rhodes Scholar. :-)

You guys are right. I forgot that.

Mac and CC on who wrote the song
and JackpineRadical on the situation--that's what i was thinking too. which also makes me right.

YAY! now everyone is both right and happy, right? :-)

Say... do you know where that pretzel's been...? :o

I am too compulsive about music trivia for my own good! :D

But I meant it in the gentlest way possible.

I will say I am glad that Janis served as his translator... ol' Kris could write 'em, but he sure couldn't sing 'em. :-)

on whatever morning show he's on.

Of course, Bush said "the matter is closed" so I guess that's that in the Admin.'s mind.

To: OldFriend

You can say that again about Fox News! I was so mad at Tony Snow when he interviewed Sen Warner who BTW did a great job, that I vowed to not watch Snow again. His questions were totally anti-Bush and you could tell he didn't like the truth that he was hearing from Senator Warner.

That figures that Snow would be the first. Fair and balanced is no longer a motto that Fox News should be using IMHO!


29 posted on 07/14/2003 9:35 PM PDT by P******* (Bush Cheney '04 - VICTORY IN '04 -- $4 for '04 - www.GeorgeWBush.com/donate/)
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Oh, I see, "Fair and Balanced" means all Boosh butt-kissing all the time.

God forbid Tony might actually want to report the news, or show disagreement.

Push-comes-to-shove, Old Doddering Bob gets:spank: Bitch-slapped by his wife,Senator Dragon Lady. Take some more viagara,Bobby!:hurts: