Recently got this from a NeoCon....

I'm preparing to go to work, and don't have time to respond right now... can some of my fellow DUer's help me form the correct responses here? You guys ROCK!

Please answer as many of the following questions as you can, and as many with a straight face as possible. Please answer quickly as you already have all of the answers.

1. Since George W. Bush is evil, and thought by some to be far more dangerous than Saddam Hussein, could you please list the instances you are aware of where George W. Bush has ordered the murder, torture and rape of American citizens, like yourself, who oppose his presidency.



2. Could you list any sites of mass graves of American citizens ordered to be killed by the Bush administration?



3. Further, could you please list the instances you are aware of when George W. Bush has ordered the murder of members of his own family.



4. Do you feel that Saddam Hussein possessed no weapons he was specifically forbidden to have by the UN; for example, the Scud missiles he fired into Kuwait during the first two weeks of the war?



5. How do you think Saddam was able to fire weapons that he didn't have?



6. Are inspectors inspectors, or are inspectors detectives?



7. How many more months would you have given Saddam Hussein to comply with the 17 UN resolutions, passed over 12 years?



8. If you owned an apartment building, for how many months would you allow a tenant to defy you to kick him out for not paying the rent he owes?



9. If the UN, and the previous administration, were convinced Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, and used that as a basis for their actions against Iraq, how do those reasons evaporate when applied by the Bush administration?



10. If the Bush administration, led by the evil GWB, lied about weapons of mass destruction in order to go to war, why haven't we found any WMD secretly planted by the Bush administration?



11. If you feel it would be too difficult to plant WMD in Iraq, because there are too many people watching, such that no one can do anything sneaky in Iraq, then why can't we find Saddam?



12. Do you disagree with the statement..."The weapons of mass destruction used in the 9/11 attacks were box-cutters"?



13. Do you think finding an airplane fuselage in a terrorist training camp in northern Iraq means terrorists were practicing hijackings? If not, for what purpose do you think they were using the airplane?



14. Knowing what little you may know about spy satellites, what do you think Iraq was hiding using the tunnel-digging equipment they bought from the French some 5 years ago?



15. Why do you think Iraq had a 'Higher Committee for Monitoring the Inspection Teams' headed by Hussein's Vice-President, and son, Qusay?



16. The fact that Iraq trained experts to foil UN weapons inspectors is documented not just by U.S. intelligence organizations, but by those of many other countries. Why do you think Iraq needed to use these tactics, if George W. Bush is lying?



17. In 1995, Iraq admitted it had biological weapons. They declared they had, for example, 8500 liters of anthrax. Where did they all go? If Iraq destroyed them, why would there be any need for more UN resolutions after that?



18. When do you think Iraq abandoned their existing Weapons of Mass Destruction program? What do you think was their motivation for abandoning it- the 17th time the UN said 'pretty please', or the fact that it was spending too much money that could used for social programs to improve the lives of Iraqi citizens?



19. Do you think the bio-weapons lab vehicles found in Iraq were being used as lunch wagons, or as mobile auto detail trucks?



20. If a terrorist organization attacked America tomorrow by spraying anthrax over a large city, would you blame George W. Bush for not doing enough?



21. Would Hillary?



22. How many minutes after the attack do you think it would take for Hillary to appear on CNN?



23. If an illegal U.S. president declares an illegal war, wouldn't the two cancel each other out?



Bonus Question: Do you think O.J. killed Ron and Nicole, or was he the victim of a massive conspiracy to plant evidence by many separate divisions of the LAPD?

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I'm preparing to go to work, and don't have time to respond right now... can some of my fellow DUer's help me form the correct responses here? You guys ROCK!

Please answer as many of the following questions as you can, and as many with a straight face as possible. Please answer quickly as you already have all of the answers.

1. Since George W. Bush is evil, and thought by some to be far more dangerous than Saddam Hussein, could you please list the instances you are aware of where George W. Bush has ordered the murder, torture and rape of American citizens, like yourself, who oppose his presidency.

We have two US Citizens in jail, and with no process, one of them is Jose Padilla



2. Could you list any sites of mass graves of American citizens ordered to be killed by the Bush administration?

Boy she is going for the hook, isn't she



3. Further, could you please list the instances you are aware of when George W. Bush has ordered the murder of members of his own family.

We do not, but we sure know that Neil and company embarrased the family... they have ensured that Neil's wife does not talk... why?

4. Do you feel that Saddam Hussein possessed no weapons he was specifically forbidden to have by the UN; for example, the Scud missiles he fired into Kuwait during the first two weeks of the war?

What SCUD, not according to the US Army, those were NOT SCUDS

5. How do you think Saddam was able to fire weapons that he didn't have?

See above

6. Are inspectors inspectors, or are inspectors detectives?

She has no clue, they were doing their job


7. How many more months would you have given Saddam Hussein to comply with the 17 UN resolutions, passed over 12 years?

How many lives does it deserve to go to a war perached on a lie, oh and according to Pilner they knew he had no WMDs as early as two years before, per Colin Powell.

8. If you owned an apartment building, for how many months would you allow a tenant to defy you to kick him out for not paying the rent he owes?

Comparing apples and oranges, international law is not equivalent to civil law.

9. If the UN, and the previous administration, were convinced Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, and used that as a basis for their actions against Iraq, how do those reasons evaporate when applied by the Bush administration?

Where are the WMDs?


10. If the Bush administration, led by the evil GWB, lied about weapons of mass destruction in order to go to war, why haven't we found any WMD secretly planted by the Bush administration?

Where are the WMDs?

11. If you feel it would be too difficult to plant WMD in Iraq, because there are too many people watching, such that no one can do anything sneaky in Iraq, then why can't we find Saddam?

Well you may want to ask Bush.

12. Do you disagree with the statement..."The weapons of mass destruction used in the 9/11 attacks were box-cutters"?

Was Sadamn connected to 9.11 not according to George Bush the Lesser.

13. Do you think finding an airplane fuselage in a terrorist training camp in northern Iraq means terrorists were practicing hijackings? If not, for what purpose do you think they were using the airplane?

Free clue controlled by the Kurds, not by Sadamn


14. Knowing what little you may know about spy satellites, what do you think Iraq was hiding using the tunnel-digging equipment they bought from the French some 5 years ago?

Nice dodge, where are the WMDs?

15. Why do you think Iraq had a 'Higher Committee for Monitoring the Inspection Teams' headed by Hussein's Vice-President, and son, Qusay?

Because some of our boys were actually spying for our CIA.

16. The fact that Iraq trained experts to foil UN weapons inspectors is documented not just by U.S. intelligence organizations, but by those of many other countries. Why do you think Iraq needed to use these tactics, if George W. Bush is lying?

Where are the WMDs?


17. In 1995, Iraq admitted it had biological weapons. They declared they had, for example, 8500 liters of anthrax. Where did they all go? If Iraq destroyed them, why would there be any need for more UN resolutions after that?

Where are the WMDs? By the way it was destroyed by '92, oh 95% of all WMDs.

18. When do you think Iraq abandoned their existing Weapons of Mass Destruction program? What do you think was their motivation for abandoning it- the 17th time the UN said 'pretty please', or the fact that it was spending too much money that could used for social programs to improve the lives of Iraqi citizens?

Nice dodge, have yuo heard of the word DETERRENT? By the way why did Collin Powell said in '01 that Sadamn had no WMDs?

19. Do you think the bio-weapons lab vehicles found in Iraq were being used as lunch wagons, or as mobile auto detail trucks?

British trucks, and they were no WMD trucks, they were weather balloons sold to Iraq in the 1980s by the brits

20. If a terrorist organization attacked America tomorrow by spraying anthrax over a large city, would you blame George W. Bush for not doing enough?

Nice dodge, by the way, where is the Anthrax killer?

21. Would Hillary?

Nice dodge she is not in charge.

22. How many minutes after the attack do you think it would take for Hillary to appear on CNN?


Who cares?


23. If an illegal U.S. president declares an illegal war, wouldn't the two cancel each other out?

Not according to International Law, article two Nuremberg Convention, conspiracy to make agresive war.

Bonus Question: Do you think O.J. killed Ron and Nicole, or was he the victim of a massive conspiracy to plant evidence by many separate divisions of the LAPD?

Again nice doge, has nothing to do with an optional war.

1. Since George W. Bush is evil, and thought by some to be far more dangerous than Saddam Hussein, could you please list the instances you are aware of where George W. Bush has ordered the murder, torture and rape of American citizens, like yourself, who oppose his presidency.

(leading question - skipping)

2. Could you list any sites of mass graves of American citizens ordered to be killed by the Bush administration?

(Arlington Cemetery, various others)

3. Further, could you please list the instances you are aware of when George W. Bush has ordered the murder of members of his own family.

(nope. Although some claim his girlfriend got an abortion)

4. Do you feel that Saddam Hussein possessed no weapons he was specifically forbidden to have by the UN; for example, the Scud missiles he fired into Kuwait during the first two weeks of the war?

(false premise, they were not SCUDs http://www.google.com/search?q=Samoud+Ababil+launch+kuwait+city )

5. How do you think Saddam was able to fire weapons that he didn't have?

(false premise, see above)

6. Are inspectors inspectors, or are inspectors detectives?

(inspectors - and your point is ...?)

7. How many more months would you have given Saddam Hussein to comply with the 17 UN resolutions, passed over 12 years?

(as long as he kept up his twelve year streak of being nice to his neighbors)

8. If you owned an apartment building, for how many months would you allow a tenant to defy you to kick him out for not paying the rent he owes?

(I'd follow the lease. Do you suggest that Iraq was on lease to Hussein from the US? Or perhaps you're making a reference to back-dues the US owes to the UN?)

9. If the UN, and the previous administration, were convinced Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, and used that as a basis for their actions against Iraq, how do those reasons evaporate when applied by the Bush administration?

(false premise. The UN wasn't convinced he had weapons. Remember Powell's failed attempt to convince everyone? Doi!)

10. If the Bush administration, led by the evil GWB, lied about weapons of mass destruction in order to go to war, why haven't we found any WMD secretly planted by the Bush administration?

(leading question - skipping)

11. If you feel it would be too difficult to plant WMD in Iraq, because there are too many people watching, such that no one can do anything sneaky in Iraq, then why can't we find Saddam?

(good question. For that matter, why can't we find the WMD? Osama? Hello? Come out, come out, wherever you are ...)

12. Do you disagree with the statement..."The weapons of mass destruction used in the 9/11 attacks were box-cutters"?

(leading question - no WMD were used in the 9/11 attack)

13. Do you think finding an airplane fuselage in a terrorist training camp in northern Iraq means terrorists were practicing hijackings? If not, for what purpose do you think they were using the airplane?

(false premise - some say this supposed fuselage was in Kurdish controlled in N Iraq, others say it is in Salman Pak, south of Baghdad. Heck, I believe both claims: there's crap laying all over Iraq ... including junk that was bombed in the Gulf War)

14. Knowing what little you may know about spy satellites, what do you think Iraq was hiding using the tunnel-digging equipment they bought from the French some 5 years ago?

(I don't know, but I'm sure you're eager to make some claim you can't substantiate. Go for it.)

15. Why do you think Iraq had a 'Higher Committee for Monitoring the Inspection Teams' headed by Hussein's Vice-President, and son, Qusay?

(because some of the inspectors doubled as spies, a fact we admitted)

16. The fact that Iraq trained experts to foil UN weapons inspectors is documented not just by U.S. intelligence organizations, but by those of many other countries. Why do you think Iraq needed to use these tactics, if George W. Bush is lying?

(I'll give you an answer after you answer mine. How can one be deceived if one has figured out the deception?)

17. In 1995, Iraq admitted it had biological weapons. They declared they had, for example, 8500 liters of anthrax. Where did they all go? If Iraq destroyed them, why would there be any need for more UN resolutions after that?

(I refuse to answer to such sophistry. You can't define the veracity of an Iraq statement based on whether the truth of it would benefit or harm your position )

18. When do you think Iraq abandoned their existing Weapons of Mass Destruction program? What do you think was their motivation for abandoning it- the 17th time the UN said 'pretty please', or the fact that it was spending too much money that could used for social programs to improve the lives of Iraqi citizens?

(I find Hussein Kamel's statements to the US, UK and UN plausible ... so if I'd have to guess, I'd say prior to 1995)

19. Do you think the bio-weapons lab vehicles found in Iraq were being used as lunch wagons, or as mobile auto detail trucks?

(false dilemma - but I'll answer anyway. Neither. They were prototypes for fermented cotton candy machines)

20. If a terrorist organization attacked America tomorrow by spraying anthrax over a large city, would you blame George W. Bush for not doing enough?

(Yup. $160 billion in Iraq and $48 billion on Homeland Security shows protecting the US is less important than ... well, whatever he thinks he's doing in Iraq)

21. Would Hillary?

(don't know)

22. How many minutes after the attack do you think it would take for Hillary to appear on CNN?

(don't know, don't care. I find it kinda odd that you invent a horrible scenario only to politicize it. If you ever ask me if I want to know what it's like inside your brain, remind me to say "no")

23. If an illegal U.S. president declares an illegal war, wouldn't the two cancel each other out?

(Yup, and funny observation. We're in la-la land, indeed. "Insane" would have been better than "illegal" though)

Bonus Question: Do you think O.J. killed Ron and Nicole, or was he the victim of a massive conspiracy to plant evidence by many separate divisions of the LAPD?

(No idea. Think I scored well enough on the test so I don't need points from a bonus question. Thanks though.)

1. Since George W. Bush is evil, and thought by some to be far more dangerous than Saddam Hussein, could you please list the instances you are aware of where George W. Bush has ordered the murder, torture and rape of American citizens, like yourself, who oppose his presidency.

"American citizens, like yourself"?! Probably not. However, there are the "American citizens" of Arab/South Asian origin who are being held incommunicado, denied all constitutional rights, subjected to forms of torture and will be murdered by state sanction (the death penalty), at the order of George W. Bush. In addition, there are already many documents instances of occupation soldiers raping Iraqi women. But, I would guess that, for you, only white "Uh-murikans" count.

2. Could you list any sites of mass graves of American citizens ordered to be killed by the Bush administration?

Again, "American citizens"? No. But, Iraqi citizens? Afghan citizens? Yes.

3. Further, could you please list the instances you are aware of when George W. Bush has ordered the murder of members of his own family.

Probably not. However, I do have some questions about Laura Bush's ex-boyfried/speed bump.

4. Do you feel that Saddam Hussein possessed no weapons he was specifically forbidden to have by the UN; for example, the Scud missiles he fired into Kuwait during the first two weeks of the war?

Given that those missiles were later found to be within the UN's limits, this is a non-starter.

5. How do you think Saddam was able to fire weapons that he didn't have?

See above.

6. Are inspectors inspectors, or are inspectors detectives?

Both.

7. How many more months would you have given Saddam Hussein to comply with the 17 UN resolutions, passed over 12 years?

Given that it appears he did comply with the UN resolutions (after all, if he hadn't, where are the WMDs?), your question is moot.

8. If you owned an apartment building, for how many months would you allow a tenant to defy you to kick him out for not paying the rent he owes?

Apples and oranges. A more proper analogy would be: "If you owned an apartment building, and one of your neighbors had something in their apartment you wanted, how low would you stoop to get your hands on it?"

9. If the UN, and the previous administration, were convinced Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, and used that as a basis for their actions against Iraq, how do those reasons evaporate when applied by the Bush administration?

Given that both Blix and el-Baradei both said Iraq had no WMDs, and no evidence of any kind of WMD programs, equipment or base compounds have been found in the five months the U.S. had occupied Iraq, I question your sincerity in asking this question. Also, given all this information, I also question the motivations of the last (elected) administration.

10. If the Bush administration, led by the evil GWB, lied about weapons of mass destruction in order to go to war, why haven't we found any WMD secretly planted by the Bush administration?

Too many eyes connected to mouths. Someone would drop a dime on them.

11. If you feel it would be too difficult to plant WMD in Iraq, because there are too many people watching, such that no one can do anything sneaky in Iraq, then why can't we find Saddam?

Good question. Ask George. My guess is that he has no interest in actually catching him.

12. Do you disagree with the statement..."The weapons of mass destruction used in the 9/11 attacks were box-cutters"?

Only in the sense that box cutters are not WMDs.

13. Do you think finding an airplane fuselage in a terrorist training camp in northern Iraq means terrorists were practicing hijackings? If not, for what purpose do you think they were using the airplane?

Given that this "terrorist training camp" was in the northern No Fly Zone, and thus inaccessible to the Iraqis (but fully accessible to the U.S./UK patrols), I must ask you the same question: "For what purpose do you think they were using the airplane?" For that matter, why, in the 10 years of Operation Northern Watch was this "terrorist training camp" never molested?

14. Knowing what little you may know about spy satellites, what do you think Iraq was hiding using the tunnel-digging equipment they bought from the French some 5 years ago?

My guess is an oil pipeline.

15. Why do you think Iraq had a 'Higher Committee for Monitoring the Inspection Teams' headed by Hussein's Vice-President, and son, Qusay?

Because they had correct suspicions that the U.S. was planting CIA agents in the UN inspection teams.

16. The fact that Iraq trained experts to foil UN weapons inspectors is documented not just by U.S. intelligence organizations, but by those of many other countries. Why do you think Iraq needed to use these tactics, if George W. Bush is lying?

See above.

17. In 1995, Iraq admitted it had biological weapons. They declared they had, for example, 8500 liters of anthrax. Where did they all go? If Iraq destroyed them, why would there be any need for more UN resolutions after that?

Cite source (and, no, Fox News doesn't count).

18. When do you think Iraq abandoned their existing Weapons of Mass Destruction program? What do you think was their motivation for abandoning it- the 17th time the UN said 'pretty please', or the fact that it was spending too much money that could used for social programs to improve the lives of Iraqi citizens?

According to the Iraqi scientists interrogated since the occupation began, around 1992. In addition, I would guess that their "motivation" was the ending of the UN sanctions, which have killed over 1 million Iraqi civilians -- including 500,000 children -- since they were instituted. (Do the math: 1,000,000 over 10 years = 100,000 people a year = ~1,923 a month = a WTC-scale massacre about every two weeks. Now then, why do they hate Americans?)

19. Do you think the bio-weapons lab vehicles found in Iraq were being used as lunch wagons, or as mobile auto detail trucks?

Given that the British suppliers of those vehicles said they were for launching of weather balloons, the facts seem to take the air out of your argument (pun intended).

20. If a terrorist organization attacked America tomorrow by spraying anthrax over a large city, would you blame George W. Bush for not doing enough?

No, but I would blame him for encouraging them to "bring it on".

21. Would Hillary?

Don't know. Can't read minds.

22. How many minutes after the attack do you think it would take for Hillary to appear on CNN?

Why do you ask? Looking for Vegas odds? Or does your Policy Analysis Market portfolio need more rounding out?

23. If an illegal U.S. president declares an illegal war, wouldn't the two cancel each other out?

Didn't your mother ever teach you that two wrongs don't make a right? Given that you're a neo-con artist, I doubt it.

Bonus Question: Do you think O.J. killed Ron and Nicole, or was he the victim of a massive conspiracy to plant evidence by many separate divisions of the LAPD?

Actually, I think Ron's coke dealer (whom Ron owed over $1 million) did it. Given the documented ties between the LAPD and drug cartels, my guess is that the dealer called in a favor.

Q.E.D.

Martin

Love 'em. Only comment:

For that matter, why, in the 10 years of Operation Northern Watch was this "terrorist training camp" never molested?

You know the neo-con will just turn around and blame it on Clinton's penis. ;-)

DTH

I think you all need to check out "Afghan Massacre: The Convoy of Death"
, or at least buzzflash's interview with the director.

http://www.buzzflash.com/interviews/03/09/23_doran.html

3000 afghan dead while Americans sat and watched... and no I'm not exaggerating. We thought it was more important to document who they were, whether dead or alive, than it was to make sure they survived. Disgusting... but true.

And these weren't people already mostly dead... these were the afghan who surrendered and were, for the most part, in good health.

I would simply ask some facetious smart arsed questions back eg:

Q. If Saddam had WMD's wouldn't it be a fair bet that he'd USE THEM when cornered?

Q. Why, given it's a useless irrelevant organisation, do we need the UN's help?

Q. What PRAY TELL did Saddam have to do with the WTC bombings?

Q. If we went after Saddam because he's evil - who's next?

Q. What happens when the Iraqis vote for someone we don't like - will we still bang on about Iraqi freedoms when we install someone we like better?

Q. If Saddam was so evil why did we wait 30 years (and TEN years after his use of gas) to stop him?

Q. If Saddam was so evil why did we arm him against the Iranians?

Q. Name ONE serious commentator who opposed the war based on the assumption George Bush is as "evil" as Saddam - apart from the freepy logic that says that you have to PERSONALLY kill people to be evil,

(Dubya hapilly bombed an entire country to get at the non elected and violently disputed "government" of that nation -"die motherfuckers" written on the bomb casings for good measure - killing thousands upon thousands and injuring countless others in a land with no hospitals makes him pretty fucked from where I stand)

NO-ONE ever said he was - Saddam was dangerously mad Dubya is dangerously stupid

AT ALL.

1. Since George W. Bush is evil, and thought by some to be far more dangerous than Saddam Hussein, could you please list the instances you are aware of where George W. Bush has ordered the murder, torture and rape of American citizens, like yourself, who oppose his presidency.

Dunno about the rape thing but murder and torture are on the table. Under Bush we have "disappeared" people. Secret detentions. Detentions without charge or trial. Who know what happens to these people? At least one legal scholar says the reason American citizen Jose Padilla will never see the light of day again is because he would "reveal methods of information extraction". Think about what that means.



2. Could you list any sites of mass graves of American citizens ordered to be killed by the Bush administration?

Nope. I can howver think of a country that was attacked unilaterally in which an untold number of innocent civilians were killed by the US military under the pretense of "imminent threat" from non-existent "weapons of mass destruction".



3. Further, could you please list the instances you are aware of when George W. Bush has ordered the murder of members of his own family.

Nope. So what? Does one have to do everything Saddam did in order to be unfit to hold the office of president? I think not. Lying to the nation and distorting intelligence in order to lead it into war is plenty bad enough on its own, especially when you remember that we are supposed to be the "good guys".





This person needs correct info. There were NO SCUDS fired into Kuwait in the first weeks of this war. Really. Google it.



5. How do you think Saddam was able to fire weapons that he didn't have?

See above. Also don't be so simple minded as to think you can pass this off.



6. Are inspectors inspectors, or are inspectors detectives?

In the case of the UN, they were both. See the mandate. Beyond that, it is now pretty well apparent that Iraq was telling the truth. No WMD.



7. How many more months would you have given Saddam Hussein to comply with the 17 UN resolutions, passed over 12 years?


Saddam didn't need more time. Looks like he played us for the fool....by complying.



8. If you owned an apartment building, for how many months would you allow a tenant to defy you to kick him out for not paying the rent he owes?

Uh...what does this have to do with the price of eggs in China. Saddam was supposedly in defiance of UN resolutions, not US resolutions. And of course he did "pay the rent" by letting inspectors return to verify that he had indeed complied.



9. If the UN, and the previous administration, were convinced Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, and used that as a basis for their actions against Iraq, how do those reasons evaporate when applied by the Bush administration?

Wow! Maybe because the previous administration understood that there was a necessary limit to action in Iraq because the intelligence to justify a theory of "imminent threat" simply was not there? Yeah...that might be it. Containment was working and American soldiers were not dying in Iraq. Sounds good to me.



10. If the Bush administration, led by the evil GWB, lied about weapons of mass destruction in order to go to war, why haven't we found any WMD secretly planted by the Bush administration?

Because they are incompetent. And let me just say that these weird hypotheticals are getting old. Fast.



11. If you feel it would be too difficult to plant WMD in Iraq, because there are too many people watching, such that no one can do anything sneaky in Iraq, then why can't we find Saddam?

LOL!!! Did this person graduate high school? If so, did they stay awake through classes? A single human being takes up not much space. Weapons production and weapons storage takes up a lot of space. Entire buildings. We need smarter monkeys asking these questions.



12. Do you disagree with the statement..."The weapons of mass destruction used in the 9/11 attacks were box-cutters"?

WTF is that supposed to mean? There were no "weapons of mass destruction" used on 9/11. There were highjacked civilian airliners that were flown into buildings. Smarter monkeys, please!



13. Do you think finding an airplane fuselage in a terrorist training camp in northern Iraq means terrorists were practicing hijackings? If not, for what purpose do you think they were using the airplane?

I dunno. Show mw an airline fuselage in a "terrosit training camp" in Iraq. And don't forget that nothern Iraq was under Kurdish control and US protection when you show it to me, OK? BTW, even Dubya now admits Iraq had not connection to 9-11. You want terrorist training camps, I suggest you look at Flordia flight schools.



14. Knowing what little you may know about spy satellites, what do you think Iraq was hiding using the tunnel-digging equipment they bought from the French some 5 years ago?

LOL! Big on this "what do you think you know" crap eh? Well, what do you think YOU know? Apparently, our government knows damn little.



15. Why do you think Iraq had a 'Higher Committee for Monitoring the Inspection Teams' headed by Hussein's Vice-President, and son, Qusay?

Who knows. Who cares. Of course if you ask other Arabs, they say Saddam did not want to appear "weak". Works for me.



16. The fact that Iraq trained experts to foil UN weapons inspectors is documented not just by U.S. intelligence organizations, but by those of many other countries. Why do you think Iraq needed to use these tactics, if George W. Bush is lying?


If it's a fact, show me. I don't accept your assertion of a fact simply because you assert it. Logical fallacies, appeal to anonymous authority and all that....



17. In 1995, Iraq admitted it had biological weapons. They declared they had, for example, 8500 liters of anthrax. Where did they all go? If Iraq destroyed them, why would there be any need for more UN resolutions after that?

You say Iraq admitted bilogical weapons in 1995. Of course UN inspectors were there at that time and later. Once again, show me. As to what happened to what they once had, it appears they destroyed it. Duh.



18. When do you think Iraq abandoned their existing Weapons of Mass Destruction program? What do you think was their motivation for abandoning it- the 17th time the UN said 'pretty please', or the fact that it was spending too much money that could used for social programs to improve the lives of Iraqi citizens?

I dunno. When do YOU think they abandoned it. In any case, it wasn't there.



19. Do you think the bio-weapons lab vehicles found in Iraq were being used as lunch wagons, or as mobile auto detail trucks?

How stupid are you? There were no bio-weapons lab vehicles found in Iraq. Please keep up.



20. If a terrorist organization attacked America tomorrow by spraying anthrax over a large city, would you blame George W. Bush for not doing enough?

Non sequitur. You were discussing Iraq. Iraq never had this capability. Hell, the USSR never had this capability.



21. Would Hillary?

Back to the Clintons. Another non sequitur.



22. How many minutes after the attack do you think it would take for Hillary to appear on CNN?

I dunno. Who's doing the show, David Blaine or David Copperfield? And again, what does this question have to do with the price of eggs in China?



23. If an illegal U.S. president declares an illegal war, wouldn't the two cancel each other out?


One would hope. Too bad it doesn't seem to work that way.



Bonus Question: Do you think O.J. killed Ron and Nicole, or was he the victim of a massive conspiracy to plant evidence by many separate divisions of the LAPD?

I have no idea whether OJ killed Nicole or not. I do know that a few crooked cops took an airtight case and fucked it up by trying to make it better.

....I ain't doing all of them because I have to go to bed...work in the morning, you know...



I'm preparing to go to work, and don't have time to respond right now... can some of my fellow DUer's help me form the correct responses here? You guys ROCK!

Please answer as many of the following questions as you can, and as many with a straight face as possible. Please answer quickly as you already have all of the answers.

1. Since George W. Bush is evil, and thought by some to be far more dangerous than Saddam Hussein, could you please list the instances you are aware of where George W. Bush has ordered the murder, torture and rape of American citizens, like yourself, who oppose his presidency.
American citizens, no. But he is responsible for the deaths of thousands of Afghanistan and Iraq's citizens who posed no threat to us. The armies his father sent against Iraq in Kuwait killed an untold number of Iraqi soldiers who were trying to surrender...many were plowed under the sand in their trenches...(do a google search: McCaffrey, war crimes, Iraq)


2. Could you list any sites of mass graves of American citizens ordered to be killed by the Bush administration?

see above.

3. Further, could you please list the instances you are aware of when George W. Bush has ordered the murder of members of his own family.

Well, no, but his grandfather's links to Nazi Germany are well-documented.

4. Do you feel that Saddam Hussein possessed no weapons he was specifically forbidden to have by the UN; for example, the Scud missiles he fired into Kuwait during the first two weeks of the war?



5. How do you think Saddam was able to fire weapons that he didn't have?

gee, this is a trick question, right?

6. Are inspectors inspectors, or are inspectors detectives?



7. How many more months would you have given Saddam Hussein to comply with the 17 UN resolutions, passed over 12 years?



8. If you owned an apartment building, for how many months would you allow a tenant to defy you to kick him out for not paying the rent he owes?


apples, oranges...none of my employees or innocent bystanders get killed in trying to collect the rent.

9. If the UN, and the previous administration, were convinced Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, and used that as a basis for their actions against Iraq, how do those reasons evaporate when applied by the Bush administration?

ummm, because he lied his ass off about it? He knew damn well there were none (see the Time magazine report: Bush shouts "Fuck Saddam, we're taking him out." while at the same time posturing in public to the effect that no such decision has been made.

10. If the Bush administration, led by the evil GWB, lied about weapons of mass destruction in order to go to war, why haven't we found any WMD secretly planted by the Bush administration?

would you prefer that the Bushies planted some?

11. If you feel it would be too difficult to plant WMD in Iraq, because there are too many people watching, such that no one can do anything sneaky in Iraq, then why can't we find Saddam?



12. Do you disagree with the statement..."The weapons of mass destruction used in the 9/11 attacks were box-cutters"?

your point being?

13. Do you think finding an airplane fuselage in a terrorist training camp in northern Iraq means terrorists were practicing hijackings? If not, for what purpose do you think they were using the airplane?



14. Knowing what little you may know about spy satellites, what do you think Iraq was hiding using the tunnel-digging equipment they bought from the French some 5 years ago?



15. Why do you think Iraq had a 'Higher Committee for Monitoring the Inspection Teams' headed by Hussein's Vice-President, and son, Qusay?



16. The fact that Iraq trained experts to foil UN weapons inspectors is documented not just by U.S. intelligence organizations, but by those of many other countries. Why do you think Iraq needed to use these tactics, if George W. Bush is lying?

source for this info, and the above? NewsMax?

17. In 1995, Iraq admitted it had biological weapons. They declared they had, for example, 8500 liters of anthrax. Where did they all go? If Iraq destroyed them, why would there be any need for more UN resolutions after that?



18. When do you think Iraq abandoned their existing Weapons of Mass Destruction program? What do you think was their motivation for abandoning it- the 17th time the UN said 'pretty please', or the fact that it was spending too much money that could used for social programs to improve the lives of Iraqi citizens?



19. Do you think the bio-weapons lab vehicles found in Iraq were being used as lunch wagons, or as mobile auto detail trucks?

ummm, you didn't read the latest conclusions aboutthose, did you?

20. If a terrorist organization attacked America tomorrow by spraying anthrax over a large city, would you blame George W. Bush for not doing enough?

fuckin' A.


21. Would Hillary?

dunno. but you'd be waiting to question her patriotism either way, huh?

22. How many minutes after the attack do you think it would take for Hillary to appear on CNN?



23. If an illegal U.S. president declares an illegal war, wouldn't the two cancel each other out?


what are you smoking?
Bonus Question: Do you think O.J. killed Ron and Nicole, or was he the victim of a massive conspiracy to plant evidence by many separate divisions of the LAPD?

of course he killed her, ya fuggin' moron. but if you fuck with the evidence, the case goes south.

was listening to neil boortz radio...

heard this whole line of questions on yesterday's show... :eyes:

just another ditto-copy-paste head

"Tie them in knots with questions."

This is a very effective tactic of the Rectal Right.

It's bullshitting in it's most odoriferous sense.

If you're ever confronted by this in person, don't answer the questions -- instead, turn it around on your interrogator.

"Why the hell are you so keen to get me answering question after stupid trick question? Is this some kind of first-year Public Speaking homework assignment?"

I mean it. Asking questions is an effective way to control communication, and it is used as a blunt instrument by conservatives, usually of the fratboy-wiseass variety.

Call them on it. You don't need all the answers -- just the ability to see through a cheap rhetorical device -- and shame them all the way back to the kegger.

--bkl

1. Since George W. Bush is evil, and thought by some to be far more dangerous than Saddam Hussein, could you please list the instances you are aware of where George W. Bush has ordered the murder, torture and rape of American citizens, like yourself, who oppose his presidency.

- The standard to which I hold an American President is not, "Is he less evil than Saddam Hussein." Saddam Hussein is a profoundly evil, murderous, psycopathological, genocidal maniac. Us liberals were trying to draw attention to that fact for decades while conservatives, some of whom work in the current Administration, were trying to negotiate deals with Hussein for oil pipelines. Now suddenly conservatives are feeling the pain of the Iraqi people. Touching. Imagine all the pain they were feeling after being encouraged to rise up against Hussein during the first Gulf War, and then finding themselves abandoned to Hussein's tender mercies when Bush the Elder left them high and dry. A lot of those mass graves they have been finding date from that era.



2. Could you list any sites of mass graves of American citizens ordered to be killed by the Bush administration?

- See #1.



3. Further, could you please list the instances you are aware of when George W. Bush has ordered the murder of members of his own family.

- See #1.



4. Do you feel that Saddam Hussein possessed no weapons he was specifically forbidden to have by the UN; for example, the Scud missiles he fired into Kuwait during the first two weeks of the war?

- I think Saddam Hussein was very reluctant to give up whatever weapons systems he had left after years of inspections, and that he no doubt had a few illegal arms laying around and ambitions to create more. But the weapons inspectors said at the end of the 90's that they believed they had accounted for more than 90% of the WMDs he once had and they asked the UN for more time to account for what might be left. Hussein was obviously playing a stupid and dangerous game with a criminal disregard for the well-being of his own people. Too bad we decided we wanted to play too.

At this point, it is only delusion bordering on madness that could leave an informed citizen believing that the hundreds of tons of chemical weapons and nerve agents that the Bush Administration claimed were in Iraq and posed an imminent threat to our security were actually there. The Bush Administration may not have lied to us. Even more scary and more probable is that they are so blinded by their ideological fanaticism they convinced themselves Iraq was still bristling with WMDs even though intelligence clearly did not support this view.


5. How do you think Saddam was able to fire weapons that he didn't have?

- See #4.



6. Are inspectors inspectors, or are inspectors detectives?

- In dealing with Hussein, they were required to be both. See #4.



7. How many more months would you have given Saddam Hussein to comply with the 17 UN resolutions, passed over 12 years?

- Once inspectors were back in Iraq, having said they had accounted for over 90% of his illegal weapons, and were asking for a few more months to finish the job, I think I would have given them the few more months they were asking for. Had I done this, and Hussein still had not complied, I might have been able then to rally international support for action, might have had the military support of the international community for a war on Iraq and might have had more of a commitment from the international community to share the costs of reconstruction.

And if the inspection process had forced Hussein into compliance, hundreds of Americans and thousands of Iraqis might still be alive today.

And if I could have avoided a unilateral invasion of Iraq, I would have avoided embroiling America in a no-win situation. Iraq is a country with a Shiite majority. That majority has been brutally oppressed for decades by Hussein. Most of the Shiite leaders fled to Iran during that time, where I'm sure they made lots of friends and learned a lot about how wonderful a fundamentalist Shiite state can be. We haven't even really heard from the Shiites yet - we've been so busy with the Sunnis - but I guarantee you the Shiite majority of Iraq and their leadership have their own ideas about Iraq's future, and it doesn't include infidel America.

And the Kurds in the north, they have for a long time had their own ideas about how things should be. And their ideas really upset the Turks, our NATO allies. Once the Shiites start things moving in the south, the Kurds will start asserting their independence from the whole mess by proclaiming a sovereign Kurdistan in the north. If we are still there, all we will have left is our Sunni "friends" in the middle. It's going to be quite a ride.




8. If you owned an apartment building, for how many months would you allow a tenant to defy you to kick him out for not paying the rent he owes?


- Incredibly stupid analogy.


9. If the UN, and the previous administration, were convinced Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, and used that as a basis for their actions against Iraq, how do those reasons evaporate when applied by the Bush administration?


- The previous administration didn't use the conviction to lead us into an unwinable war against the will of the international community. See #8.



10. If the Bush administration, led by the evil GWB, lied about weapons of mass destruction in order to go to war, why haven't we found any WMD secretly planted by the Bush administration?


- The night is young. If they don't plant WMD's, it might be because that isn't as easy as you seem to think it is. People have to know. People have to plant the evidence. If the administration attempted something like that and was found out, it would be catastrophic to the Republican party and the neo-conservative movement in America. So far, their strategy seems to be the much less risky effort to convince the American people they didn't invade Iraq because of the WMD's, but because they were feeling Iraqi pain.




11. If you feel it would be too difficult to plant WMD in Iraq, because there are too many people watching, such that no one can do anything sneaky in Iraq, then why can't we find Saddam?


- See #10.


12. Do you disagree with the statement..."The weapons of mass destruction used in the 9/11 attacks were box-cutters"?


- Uh...I guess I don't normally think of box-cutters as WMDs. What is your point, I wonder? Are you saying we invaded Iraq because they had box-cutters? Do we now need to invade any country found in possession of box-cutters? You lost me.



13. Do you think finding an airplane fuselage in a terrorist training camp in northern Iraq means terrorists were practicing hijackings? If not, for what purpose do you think they were using the airplane?


- Hadn't heard about this. I always wonder why the terrorists chose to run these terrorists camps in northern Iraq where things are pretty much run by the Kurds who consider themselves our allies and where US planes regularly patrolled the skies to enforce the no-fly zone against Iraq. If these terrorists were allied with Hussein's regime, you would think they would have been building their training camps in central Iraq.



14. Knowing what little you may know about spy satellites, what do you think Iraq was hiding using the tunnel-digging equipment they bought from the French some 5 years ago?

- Hadn't heard of this either, but I imagine there are many reasons people dig tunnels. Not all of those reasons involve hiding things. Do you think sewers dig themselves?



15. Why do you think Iraq had a 'Higher Committee for Monitoring the Inspection Teams' headed by Hussein's Vice-President, and son, Qusay?


- Because they believed, and I think some of the American inspectors have since pretty much confirmed their belief, that the inspection teams were being used by hostile foreign powers to spy on Hussein's regime. Also, I have no doubt Hussein was hoping he could hide things from the inspectors. See #4.




16. The fact that Iraq trained experts to foil UN weapons inspectors is documented not just by U.S. intelligence organizations, but by those of many other countries. Why do you think Iraq needed to use these tactics, if George W. Bush is lying?

- Bush lied (to us and perhaps to himself) about many aspects of the intelligence coming to him about Iraq. From attempts to purchase Uranium to the use of rods to the claim that Hussein had "hundreds of tons" of nerve agents ready to use against us. All of this to exaggerate the threat and justify his reckless, unilateral charge into Iraq. Nevertheless, nobody thinks Hussein was a sweet guy who had put his bulling days behind him. We all know he dreamed of one day being a great warlord again. The real issue is how you deal with the idiot's megalomania and delusions of masculinity. Do you do it intelligently, using war only as a last resort so that you can rally the international community around your efforts when you finally move in, or do you just throw us into this situation without thinking it through. So eager were the Bush chickenhawks to play war games, they don't seem to have thought for a moment about how to handle the incredible challenges of post-war Iraq.




17. In 1995, Iraq admitted it had biological weapons. They declared they had, for example, 8500 liters of anthrax. Where did they all go? If Iraq destroyed them, why would there be any need for more UN resolutions after that?

-Inspectors remained in Iraq for a few years after that, and I assume the declarations were part of the process of identifying illegal weapons to the inspectors. Like I said, the inspectors claimed they had accounted for 90% of Hussein's WMD's before they left in the late 90's. My question to you is, if they have all this stuff today, where is it and why didn't they use it to defend the regime?




18. When do you think Iraq abandoned their existing Weapons of Mass Destruction program? What do you think was their motivation for abandoning it- the 17th time the UN said 'pretty please', or the fact that it was spending too much money that could used for social programs to improve the lives of Iraqi citizens?

-Like I said, I don't think Hussein ever "abandoned" his WMD programs, I think the inspection process had deprived him of his WMDs and the economic and military actions against him over the years had deprived him of the ability to pursue these programs in any effective way. He simply wasn't a serious threat by 2003. But the Administration told us the inspectors were wrong, and the international community was wrong, and that he had hundreds of tons of chemical and biological stockpiles. But we haven't found any. And we have since learned how the Administration's intelligence never really supported that view. So why do you cling to it? I think the burden of proof is on you. Show me some WMDs already.



19. Do you think the bio-weapons lab vehicles found in Iraq were being used as lunch wagons, or as mobile auto detail trucks?

- I think it was generally agreed there was no proof they were bio-weapons laboratories. And I think everybody agreed the two truck trailers did not contain hundreds of tons of chemical and biological weapons.



20. If a terrorist organization attacked America tomorrow by spraying anthrax over a large city, would you blame George W. Bush for not doing enough?

- Absolutely. He is off playing warlord in Iraq while the people responsible for defending us here at home are complaining they are not getting nearly the funding they need to secure the "homeland." Firefighters and police could do a lot with $87 billion.



21. Would Hillary?

- Hillary Clinton? You'd have to ask her.



22. How many minutes after the attack do you think it would take for Hillary to appear on CNN?

- You tell me.



23. If an illegal U.S. president declares an illegal war, wouldn't the two cancel each other out?

- No.


Bonus Question: Do you think O.J. killed Ron and Nicole, or was he the victim of a massive conspiracy to plant evidence by many separate divisions of the LAPD?

- No, I think O.J. is a murderer. I'm not big on conspiracies. Unlike you neocons who practically define yourselves in terms of your left-wing conspiracies - the liberal media, liberal academia... And what is the deal with Hillary Clinton for crying out loud? Whatever she did to you guys, get over it already.

1. Since George W. Bush is evil, and thought by some to be far more dangerous than Saddam Hussein, could you please list the instances you are aware of where George W. Bush has ordered the murder, torture and rape of American citizens, like yourself, who oppose his presidency.

Can't. Since the advent of the Patriot Act I most probably won't be able to, as it's intended purpose is to prevent such knowledge from becoming public. Why do you ask? Of what relevance is this question?


2. Could you list any sites of mass graves of American citizens ordered to be killed by the Bush administration?

Sure. Arlington Cemetery. Then again...there may be more but the Patriot Act would prevent such knowledge from becoming public. Why do you ask? Of what relevance is this question?


3. Further, could you please list the instances you are aware of when George W. Bush has ordered the murder of members of his own family.

No, unfortunately. So much for voluntarily skimming your turds from the gene pool. Why do you ask? Of what relevance is this question?


4. Do you feel that Saddam Hussein possessed no weapons he was specifically forbidden to have by the UN; for example, the Scud missiles he fired into Kuwait during the first two weeks of the war?

Yes. Your example makes clear your ignorance concerning an issue most anyone with even a cursory knowledge of the war possesses. Saddam Hussein didn't fire any scud missiles into Kuwait during the first two weeks of the war. Perhaps you should educate yourself, if your intellectual capacity allows it. If not, perhaps you should keep your mouth shut, as fighting a battle of wits while unarmed is always a losing proposition.


5. How do you think Saddam was able to fire weapons that he didn't have?

In the same fashion that you engage in what you have mistaken as a battle of wits while clearly unarmed.


6. Are inspectors inspectors, or are inspectors detectives?

Inspectors are inspectors as long as those who employ them expect them only to inspect. Are detectives detectives or are detectives inspectors? Are lier's lier's or are lier's exaggerators?


7. How many more months would you have given Saddam Hussein to comply with the 17 UN resolutions, passed over 12 years?

The same number of months we have given Israel to comply with the 69 UN resolutions, passed over for 56 years....even though we haven't given Iraq $84,854,827,200.


8. If you owned an apartment building, for how many months would you allow a tenant to defy you to kick him out for not paying the rent he owes?

Is this an example of your ability to posit an False Analogy Fallacy? Here is an accurate analogy. If you owned an apartment building, would it be legal for you to send your tenants kid to shoot the land lord, and convicted felon, who owned the building next door, because you believed him to own a hand gun? Look up the word fallacy. Once you comprehend what one is...try and avoid presenting them. More and more you sound like you swam over from the shallow end of the gene pool....you know, the end AWOL George is from.


9. If the UN, and the previous administration, were convinced Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, and used that as a basis for their actions against Iraq, how do those reasons evaporate when applied by the Bush administration?

You have presented another False Analogy Fallacy. The previous administration did not use their conviction that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction as a basis to invade and occupy Iraq. As the case you presented was fallacious, the respective question you pose is in fact irrelevant to the conclusion you suggest.


10. If the Bush administration, led by the evil GWB, lied about weapons of mass destruction in order to go to war, why haven't we found any WMD secretly planted by the Bush administration?

My you are fond of posing fallacies aren't you? You have presented a non-sequitur or in more specific terms a transposition of a condition and its consequence. Since, once again, your question is fallacious, it cannot be logically answered. Here is a question for you. If the weapons were secretly planted, how would you know that the Bush administration planted them? Here is another. If secretly planted weapons of mass destruction (and I am not sure that they haven't been) were found then how would you know whether Bush lied or told the truth?


11. If you feel it would be too difficult to plant WMD in Iraq, because there are too many people watching, such that no one can do anything sneaky in Iraq, then why can't we find Saddam?

I don't necessarily feel it would be too difficult to plant WMD's in Iraq. Particularly if they were planted before the war. Then again there is a little bit of difference between 4 tons of VX, 25 tons of Anthrax, 2800 tons of Mustard Gas, 210 tons of Tabun Gas, 795 tons of of Sarin Gas and a guy with a sheet over his head. What makes you think we haven't found Saddam? Rumsfeld was shaking his hand while he was gassing the Kurds...you figure their not pals anymore?


12. Do you disagree with the statement..."The weapons of mass destruction used in the 9/11 attacks were box-cutters"?

Nope, sure don't. They were used by Saudi Arabians and an Egyptian that were funded by Saudi Arabians....what's this got to do with Iraq or Saddam Hussein? Do you agree that Sammie Sosa is a baseball player?


13. Do you think finding an airplane fuselage in a terrorist training camp in northern Iraq means terrorists were practicing hijackings? If not, for what purpose do you think they were using the airplane?

A better question might have been...."Do you think not noticing a 707 airplane fuselage lying around in US controlled Northern Iraq, the portion US and British Military fighters, bombers and recon jets had been patrolling for twelve years, was a bit strange? You tell me...


14. Knowing what little you may know about spy satellites, what do you think Iraq was hiding using the tunnel-digging equipment they bought from the French some 5 years ago?

Gee I don't know....probably the same thing New Yorkers were hiding with tunnel digging equipment in the US.


15. Why do you think Iraq had a 'Higher Committee for Monitoring the Inspection Teams' headed by Hussein's Vice-President, and son, Qusay?

Gee I suppose because it is their country and they can do what ever the hell they want to do, as it regards their security. I suspect it had something to do with the CIA getting nailed for covertly using U.N. weapons inspectors to spy on Iraq in from 1991 to 1998. In 1996, the CIA used its inspection spies to aid a coup attempt by a group of exiled Iraqi generals who were part of the Iraqi National Accord (INA). Put the shoe on the other foot...how would the US react if Iraqi's pulled the same shit on them?


I'm tired and bored with this game....it's been fun but I am gonna call it a night....or early morning. Maybe I'll answer the rest tomorrow afternoon.

Peace and Inner Harmony,

RC

and read these. The dang board went wonky on me after I decided to add the rest and not go to bed and dumped my edit. Glad I saved it on note pad before posting!!!

1. Since George W. Bush is evil, and thought by some to be far more dangerous than Saddam Hussein, could you please list the instances you are aware of where George W. Bush has ordered the murder, torture and rape of American citizens, like yourself, who oppose his presidency.

Can't. Since the advent of the Patriot Act I most probably won't be able to, as it's intended purpose is to prevent such knowledge from becoming public. Why do you ask? Of what relevance is this question?


2. Could you list any sites of mass graves of American citizens ordered to be killed by the Bush administration?

Sure. Arlington Cemetery. Then again...there may be more but the Patriot Act would prevent such knowledge from becoming public. Why do you ask? Of what relevance is this question?


3. Further, could you please list the instances you are aware of when George W. Bush has ordered the murder of members of his own family.

No, unfortunately. So much for voluntarily skimming your turds from the gene pool. Why do you ask? Of what relevance is this question?


4. Do you feel that Saddam Hussein possessed no weapons he was specifically forbidden to have by the UN; for example, the Scud missiles he fired into Kuwait during the first two weeks of the war?

Yes. Your example makes clear your ignorance concerning an issue most anyone with even a cursory knowledge of the war possesses. Saddam Hussein didn't fire any scud missiles into Kuwait during the first two weeks of the war. Perhaps you should educate yourself, if your intellectual capacity allows it. If not, perhaps you should keep your mouth shut, as fighting a battle of wits while unarmed is always a losing proposition.


5. How do you think Saddam was able to fire weapons that he didn't have?

In the same fashion that you engage in what you have mistaken as a battle of wits, while clearly unarmed.


6. Are inspectors inspectors, or are inspectors detectives?

Inspectors are inspectors as long as those who employ them expect them only to inspect. Are detectives detectives or are detectives inspectors? Are lier's lier's or are lier's exaggerators?


7. How many more months would you have given Saddam Hussein to comply with the 17 UN resolutions, passed over 12 years?

The same number of months we have given Israel to comply with the 69 UN resolutions, passed over for 56 years....even though we haven't given Iraq $84,854,827,200.


8. If you owned an apartment building, for how many months would you allow a tenant to defy you to kick him out for not paying the rent he owes?

Is this an example of your ability to posit a False Analogy Fallacy? Here is an accurate analogy. If you owned an apartment building, would it be legal for you to send your tenants kid to shoot the land lord, and convicted felon, who owned the building next door, because you believed him to own a hand gun? Look up the word fallacy. Once you comprehend what one is...try and avoid presenting them. More and more you sound like you swam over from the shallow end of the gene pool....you know, the end AWOL George is from.


9. If the UN, and the previous administration, were convinced Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, and used that as a basis for their actions against Iraq, how do those reasons evaporate when applied by the Bush administration?

You have presented another False Analogy Fallacy. The previous administration did not use their conviction that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction as a basis to invade and occupy Iraq. As the case you presented was fallacious, the respective question you pose is, in fact, irrelevant to the conclusion you suggest.


10. If the Bush administration, led by the evil GWB, lied about weapons of mass destruction in order to go to war, why haven't we found any WMD secretly planted by the Bush administration?

My you are fond of posing fallacies aren't you? You have presented a non-sequitur, or in more specific terms, a transposition of a condition and its consequence. Since, once again, your question is fallacious, it cannot be logically answered. Here is a question for you. If the weapons were secretly planted, how would you know that the Bush administration planted them? Here is another. If secretly planted weapons of mass destruction (and I am not sure that they haven't been secretly planted) were found, then how would you know whether Bush lied or told the truth?


11. If you feel it would be too difficult to plant WMD in Iraq, because there are too many people watching, such that no one can do anything sneaky in Iraq, then why can't we find Saddam?

I don't necessarily feel it would be too difficult to plant WMD's in Iraq. Particularly if they were planted before the war. Then again there is a little bit of difference between 4 tons of VX, 25 tons of Anthrax, 2800 tons of Mustard Gas, 210 tons of Tabun Gas, 795 tons of of Sarin Gas and a guy with a sheet over his head. What makes you think we haven't found Saddam? Rumsfeld was shaking his hand while he was gassing the Kurds...you figure they're not pals anymore?


12. Do you disagree with the statement..."The weapons of mass destruction used in the 9/11 attacks were box-cutters"?

Yep I do. There weren't any weapons of mass destruction used on 9/11. In that you mentioned it the box cutters were used by Saudi Arabians and an Egyptian that were funded by Saudi Arabians....what's this got to do with Iraq or Saddam Hussein? Do you agree that Sammie Sosa is a baseball player?


13. Do you think finding an airplane fuselage in a terrorist training camp in northern Iraq means terrorists were practicing hijackings? If not, for what purpose do you think they were using the airplane?

A better question might have been...."Do you think not noticing a 707 airplane fuselage lying around in US controlled Northern Iraq, the portion US and British Military fighters, bombers and recon jets had been patrolling for ten years, was a bit strange? You tell me...


14. Knowing what little you may know about spy satellites, what do you think Iraq was hiding using the tunnel-digging equipment they bought from the French some 5 years ago?

Gee I don't know....probably the same thing we hide with tunnel digging equipment in the US.


15. Why do you think Iraq had a 'Higher Committee for Monitoring the Inspection Teams' headed by Hussein's Vice-President, and son, Qusay?

Gee, I suppose because it is their country and they can do what ever the hell they want to do, as it regards their security. I suspect it had something to do with the CIA getting nailed for covertly using U.N. weapons inspectors to spy on Iraq in from 1991 to 1998. In 1996, the CIA used its inspection spies to aid a coup attempt by a group of exiled Iraqi generals who were part of the Iraqi National Accord (INA). Put the shoe on the other foot...how would the US react if Iraqi's pulled the same shit on them?


16. The fact that Iraq trained experts to foil UN weapons inspectors is documented not just by U.S. intelligence organizations, but by those of many other countries. Why do you think Iraq needed to use these tactics, if George W. Bush is lying?

See answer 15


17. In 1995, Iraq admitted it had biological weapons. They declared they had, for example, 8500 liters of anthrax. Where did they all go? If Iraq destroyed them, why would there be any need for more UN resolutions after that?


Where did it all go? Well if they destroyed it, my guess would be up a smoke stack. As to the second part of your question, all I can say to that is, why indeed. I suspect to give the US and Britain an excuse to occupy Iraq and control the export of their oil. Here is something for you to prove...prove you never fucked a dog in the ass.


18. When do you think Iraq abandoned their existing Weapons of Mass Destruction program? What do you think was their motivation for abandoning it- the 17th time the UN said 'pretty please', or the fact that it was spending too much money that could used for social programs to improve the lives of Iraqi citizens?

Might have had something to do with ending the sanctions they suffered under for 10 years. The ones which resulted in the deaths of a million or so innocent Iraqis, half of which were children.


19. Do you think the bio-weapons lab vehicles found in Iraq were being used as lunch wagons, or as mobile auto detail trucks?


I think they are what the Brits, from whom they were purchased, said they are...stations with which to fill weather balloons. Incidentally they weren't vehicles, they were trailers covered with rotting canvas....the contents of which had become rusty and weathered....hardly the sort of thing one would want to brew deadly concoctions in.


20. If a terrorist organization attacked America tomorrow by spraying anthrax over a large city, would you blame George W. Bush for not doing enough?

Since he seems quite a bit more interested in asking congress for money to "rebuild" Iraq than he is in asking them for money to protect our "homeland"....absolutely, I would. After all the idiot just killed 6000+ innocent Iraqi's...I'm guessing that one or two of their relatives or friends might react like the average American and go looking for a little revenge.


21. Would Hillary?

Probably not.....she gave the AWOL little asshole the greenlight to wage war unchecked....what the hell can she say about it now?


22. How many minutes after the attack do you think it would take for Hillary to appear on CNN?

Man you seem to be obsessing about Hillary. Do you do this alone at night in your bedroom or are you still locking yourself in the bathroom at mom and dads house?


23. If an illegal U.S. president declares an illegal war, wouldn't the two cancel each other out?

I guess the way I learned addition...is that two negatives add up to a negative...you know...-1+-1=-2. Maybe you neocons are still counting on your fingers and that concept is a little difficult to figure out.



Bonus Question

Bonus question? I don't need no stinkeen bonus question


Peace and Inner Harmony,

RC

that rape, murder and torture are routinely practiced by the Chinese government but we have no problem looking the other way and buying cheap stuff from them.

Tiananmen Square!!!

RC

Tienanmen was the price Chinese workers and students paid for opposing the Chinese CP's plan to hand their economy over to the U.S. and European capitalists. It was a package deal: the Chinese suppress any remaining demands for socialist democracy; the U.S. invests heavily in the SEZs.

Martin

Here's my take on #22 (with some explanatory text from #20: If a terrorist organization attacked America tomorrow by spraying anthrax over a large city...How many minutes after the attack do you think it would take for Hillary to appear on CNN?)

If it was New York City, I have no doubt that Hilary would be in front of a camera as soon as possible. She would explain the public health steps needed to counteract the effects of the attack & try to prevent panic. As a public official, that's part of her job.

No doubt, Bush would be messing his pants & hiding somewhere really, really safe. Eventually his handlers would get him into shape sufficient to tape a brief message in which he would be unable even to utter comforting platitudes with conviction. Just like the last time he allowed a terrorist attack on American soil (through incompetence or something worse).

Oh, and as as somebody else asked, since you brought up the anthrax...where is that guy?

1. Since George W. Bush is evil, and thought by some to be far more dangerous than Saddam Hussein, could you please list the instances you are aware of where George W. Bush has ordered the murder, torture and rape of American citizens, like yourself, who oppose his presidency.

Question is irrelevant, as no one has ever made such a statement. We have stated that Bush lied to the nation and the world about reasons to go to war, this question has no basis in any argument we have made here or elsewhere.

2. Could you list any sites of mass graves of American citizens ordered to be killed by the Bush administration?

See answer to question 1 (but also note that the largest mass graves exist in southern Iraq where Bush's father encouraged the Shiite muslims to rebel, then abandoned them after promising support).

3. Further, could you please list the instances you are aware of when George W. Bush has ordered the murder of members of his own family.

Once again, see answer to number 1. Since this war was promoted as a war to disarm Saddam, this question is irrelevant.

4. Do you feel that Saddam Hussein possessed no weapons he was specifically forbidden to have by the UN; for example, the Scud missiles he fired into Kuwait during the first two weeks of the war?

No Scud missiles were fired. This is a falsehood. If you have evidence of such, please provide it. The missiles that were fired were found to NOT be scud missiles and were fired from near the Kuwait border. This is an invalid question.

5. How do you think Saddam was able to fire weapons that he didn't have?

See answer to number 4

6. Are inspectors inspectors, or are inspectors detectives?

The are inspectors, considering that their inspections found NOTHING (much like the insepections now being concluded have found nothing).

7. How many more months would you have given Saddam Hussein to comply with the 17 UN resolutions, passed over 12 years?

This question is not up to your nor I to decide, nor is it up to the US, the resolutions are UN resolutions, it is up to the UN to decide how best to enforce them. If you are going to use the UN as justification, you must base every action related to that justification on UN backing. Otherwise you cannot use it as justification.

8. If you owned an apartment building, for how many months would you allow a tenant to defy you to kick him out for not paying the rent he owes?

What the fuck does this have to do with anything?

9. If the UN, and the previous administration, were convinced Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, and used that as a basis for their actions against Iraq, how do those reasons evaporate when applied by the Bush administration?

Obviously they were not thoroughly convinced, as the UN simpley requested further inspections. You are skewing facts.

10. If the Bush administration, led by the evil GWB, lied about weapons of mass destruction in order to go to war, why haven't we found any WMD secretly planted by the Bush administration?

Well, we haven't found ANY WEAPONS. The point behind this question is both ridiculously illogical and meaningless.

11. If you feel it would be too difficult to plant WMD in Iraq, because there are too many people watching, such that no one can do anything sneaky in Iraq, then why can't we find Saddam?

Yet another question that has no basis in anything that has ever been stated or argued here. If you are going to present a question, present one that makes sense. Firstly, the two have no connection, secondly, no one has insinuated that planting is taking place. In fact, we have stated all along that no weapons exist, if you have found some we don't know about, please let us know.

12. Do you disagree with the statement..."The weapons of mass destruction used in the 9/11 attacks were box-cutters"?

Yet another question that has no basis in anything remotely resembling reality. Firstly, we are discussing Iraq, who had no link to 9/11, secondly, boxcutters is only a theory, recall that the reports actually listed everything from guns to bombs to pocket knives to box cutters. Thirdly, I would say the primary weapon on 9/11 was a jetliner. This question has no relavence to Iraq whatsoever though, so it is not worthy of further discussion.

13. Do you think finding an airplane fuselage in a terrorist training camp in northern Iraq means terrorists were practicing hijackings? If not, for what purpose do you think they were using the airplane?

Hmmm, considering we have fuselages for training ourselves in various locations, why don't you tell me. Once again, there is no link between Saddam and 9/11 (Bush himself has stated this, so it must be true, at least according to republicans).

14. Knowing what little you may know about spy satellites, what do you think Iraq was hiding using the tunnel-digging equipment they bought from the French some 5 years ago?

LOl . . . if you are going to ask questions like this, you best provide some backup for your outrageous claims. This sounds like tinfoil hat material to me.

15. Why do you think Iraq had a 'Higher Committee for Monitoring the Inspection Teams' headed by Hussein's Vice-President, and son, Qusay?

Please once again provide proof for your statements. Secondly, if you had outside inspectors investigating sites in the US you bet your sweet ass you'd have people monitoring the monitors. This is simple common sense.

16. The fact that Iraq trained experts to foil UN weapons inspectors is documented not just by U.S. intelligence organizations, but by those of many other countries. Why do you think Iraq needed to use these tactics, if George W. Bush is lying?

Bush has lied on numerous occasions. He said we'd already found weapons of mass destruction, this was a lie. He said that trailers found in Iraq were mobile weapons labs, this is a lie. He said that the aluminum tubes could only be used in a centrifuge, this was a lie. He said Iraq was attempting to by nuclear materials from Niger, this was a lie. If Bush's case is so strong, why did he tell so many documented lies?

17. In 1995, Iraq admitted it had biological weapons. They declared they had, for example, 8500 liters of anthrax. Where did they all go? If Iraq destroyed them, why would there be any need for more UN resolutions after that?

Why were pages removed from the most recent declaration from Iraq by the US before the report was presented to the uN? Please provide the report you refer to. Also, while you are answering this, please provide information as to where Iraq obtained this anthrax in the first place.

18. When do you think Iraq abandoned their existing Weapons of Mass Destruction program? What do you think was their motivation for abandoning it- the 17th time the UN said 'pretty please', or the fact that it was spending too much money that could used for social programs to improve the lives of Iraqi citizens?

Most sources indicate that the programs ended in 1991. This would include people that spent much more time in Iraq than you (which would mean anyone that's ever been there). People such as Hans Blix, Muhammed Al Baride (sp?), Scott Ritter, all have many days on the ground in Iraq, if not longer, and are much more qualified than you to discuss what is found there. They all believe that the programs were ended some time ago.

19. Do you think the bio-weapons lab vehicles found in Iraq were being used as lunch wagons, or as mobile auto detail trucks?

As has been discussed ad nauseum before, these trucks were not labs, if the author of this list had any valid information at all he would know that UK experts determined long ago that these were trailers sold to Iraq by the UK in the 80's which are designed to fill weather balloons.

20. If a terrorist organization attacked America tomorrow by spraying anthrax over a large city, would you blame George W. Bush for not doing enough?

Well, considering that as anyone who has any knoweldge of biological warfare can tell you, this would not be an effective means of dissipating anthrax this question is highly suspect. I would most likely first blame his father for authorizing the sale of anthrax to known hostile nations in the first place. Then I would blame the perpetrators of the crime. I, unlike you, would not blame Bush, unless (as on 9/11) he had received intelligence reports at least a month prior telling him who was going to attack and what methods they would use.

21. Would Hillary?

Who gives a fuck about Hillary?

22. How many minutes after the attack do you think it would take for Hillary to appear on CNN?

Who knows, but you can bet your ass she wouldn't be sitting for a photo-op reading a book about goats to little kids while the nation was under attack.

23. If an illegal U.S. president declares an illegal war, wouldn't the two cancel each other out?

If a tree falls in the forest and it falls on a republican who has their reality blinders on does anyone care?

Bonus Question: Do you think O.J. killed Ron and Nicole, or was he the victim of a massive conspiracy to plant evidence by many separate divisions of the LAPD?

Yes, I think he did it. But, as has been proven time and time again, the wealthy and influencial in this country can and do get away with murder.

Send them this list of questions back:

1. if Bush truly had enough cause to go to war, why was it necessary to lie repeatedly?

2. If the evidence existed, why was the evidence not presented instead of lies?

3. Why was this presented to the American people and the rest of the world as an act of defense against an imminent threat when no such threat existed?

4. Why did Condolezza Rice make the statement that the aluminum tubes found were "really only suitable for one purpose" that purpose being a centrifuge for refining uranium, when in fact the tubes were not suitable for that purpose at all?

5. Why did Bush announce to the world that we had already found weapons of mass destruction when, in fact, we had not?

6. Why did Bush say we had found mobile chemical weapons labs when those trailers were, in fact, designed for filling balloons and were sold to Iraq by the UK in the 1980's?

7. Why did Dick Cheny make the knowingly false statement that Iraq had already reconstituted nuclear weapons?

8. Why did he also say "we know where they are" when referring to weapons of mass destruction (which have never been found)?

9. Why is Bush now asking for help from the organization he considered irrelevant mere months ago?

10. Why did Bush say in July of this year that "We gave him a chance to allow the inspectors in, and he wouldn't let them in." when, in fact inspectors were in the country doing their job just 48 hoours before military action started, thus lying yet again?

11. Why did Ashcroft say that the provisions of the Patriot Act authorizing access to library records had never been used, when, in fact, they had been used in 2002?

12. Why did Bush say that "Evidence from intelligence sources, secret communications and statements by people now in custody reveal that Saddam Hussein aids and protects terrorists, including members of Al Qaida." when no reliable evidence has ever been produced?

14. Why does the Bush administration continually refer to weapons Iraq posessed as of 1991 without informing people that the majority of those weapons, if still in existence, would no longer be effective as most chemical and biological weapons have short shelf life and would be nearly worthless after only 3 years?

just say F*ck You.
tib

1. Since George W. Bush is evil, and thought by some to be far more dangerous than Saddam Hussein, could you please list the instances you are aware of where George W. Bush has ordered the murder, torture and rape of American citizens, like yourself, who oppose his presidency.

Let's get things nice and sparkling clear: None of us has ever compared Bush to Saddam, except for the obvious things--Saddam won his election, for one thing. We've been comparing his regime to the early days of the Third Reich...and unfortunately for the Bush boy, it's not lookin' so good. (On things like economics and infrastructure, Hitler's gang of bully boys looks great by comparison--Hitler ended Germany's depression and built the Autobahn, while Bush arguably started America's depression with his business-friendly tax cuts that have encouraged multitudes of American corporations to export American jobs to China.

Back to the question: We could list Jose Padilla here, but that would be unfair. Googling for "Bush body count" should produce a nice list of prominent American citizens who have been disappeared since the start of Bush's illegitimate reign. Among them, Lars-Erik Nelson, the liberal columnist who probably would have ripped Bush a new asshole on a daily basis would he have not died of a "stroke" the minute Gore conceded.

2. Could you list any sites of mass graves of American citizens ordered to be killed by the Bush administration?

It's outside Shanksville, Pennsylvania, where the US Air Force shot down a hijacked airliner on 9/11/2001. This is in fact exactly what was supposed to happen--and what should have happened four times that morning, not once. But, of course, if Bush was doing his job instead of Laura's that morning, perhaps the other three planes would have been shot down like they were supposed to.

3. Further, could you please list the instances you are aware of when George W. Bush has ordered the murder of members of his own family.

There is no need for George W. Bush to murder members of his own family; none of them oppose him or lust for his power. Saddam had a different problem: as one of the most hated men in history, there are members of his family who'd be happy as hell to see him dead.

4. Do you feel that Saddam Hussein possessed no weapons he was specifically forbidden to have by the UN; for example, the Scud missiles he fired into Kuwait during the first two weeks of the war?

You mean like the Scuds that weren't really Scuds? Don't believe the press when they name weapons. They have been calling the BM-21 multiple rocket launcher "Katyusha" (the name for the BM-13 MRL) forever; they call AK-74s and AKMs "AK-47s" and they called the self-propelled howitzers Alberto Fujimori used to guard the Peruvian parliament building "tanks."

5. How do you think Saddam was able to fire weapons that he didn't have?

Because he didn't fire them?

6. Are inspectors inspectors, or are inspectors detectives?

Inspectors are both.

7. How many more months would you have given Saddam Hussein to comply with the 17 UN resolutions, passed over 12 years?

Well, since Saddam Hussein seems to have no weapons of mass destruction, apparently he really did comply with the 17 UN resolutions.

If I was Saddam Hussein, and the Coalition destroyed 85 percent of my WMD capability during the Gulf War and inspection teams destroyed the rest, I wouldn't have bothered with keeping records. You destroy it, you record it. The person who is Saddam Hussein apparently felt the same way.

8. If you owned an apartment building, for how many months would you allow a tenant to defy you to kick him out for not paying the rent he owes?

If I owned an apartment building and a tenant played his stereo too loud, I ordered him to turn it down and he refused, I would have kicked him out right away. I wouldn't have went in, glued the knob at a reasonable level, then come back twelve years later (a twelve year period of moderate volume levels, I may add) and kicked him out because he might get drunk and turn his stereo up. I also wouldn't have kicked him out because fifteen years ago, he played Ozzy so loud he broke his windows. I would have kicked him out right after he did it.

The time to get rid of Saddam was 1991, when he really was a threat to his neighbors and to the world.

9. If the UN, and the previous administration, were convinced Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, and used that as a basis for their actions against Iraq, how do those reasons evaporate when applied by the Bush administration?

Because as a result of the Clinton Administration's actions against Iraq, he no longer had weapons of mass destruction.

10. If the Bush administration, led by the evil GWB, lied about weapons of mass destruction in order to go to war, why haven't we found any WMD secretly planted by the Bush administration?

Easy: They know they'd get caught.

11. If you feel it would be too difficult to plant WMD in Iraq, because there are too many people watching, such that no one can do anything sneaky in Iraq, then why can't we find Saddam?

Because it's not that no one can do anything sneaky in Iraq, it's that the United States sucks at sneaky. Saddam, however, is a master at it. Ask around.

12. Do you disagree with the statement..."The weapons of mass destruction used in the 9/11 attacks were box-cutters"?

Yes I do. The weapons used in the 9/11 act were Boeing heavy airplanes, not "weapons of mass destruction," which is a term with a very specific meaning: nuclear, biological and chemical weapons. The utility knives were tools used to acquire the weapons employed in the attacks.

Try this: Get a utility knife and try to tear your house down with it. Kinda slow and difficult, is it? Now get in your car and try to knock down your house with it. Easier? Quite.

13. Do you think finding an airplane fuselage in a terrorist training camp in northern Iraq means terrorists were practicing hijackings? If not, for what purpose do you think they were using the airplane?

Ever seen an Iraqi flag? It has three stripes on it. Imagine laying this flag on a map of Iraq. The part covered by the middle stripe is all Saddam's people controlled.

Yes, terrorists were practicing hijackings in this fuselage. No, Saddam probably had nothing to do with it.

14. Knowing what little you may know about spy satellites, what do you think Iraq was hiding using the tunnel-digging equipment they bought from the French some 5 years ago?

Umm...the Iraqi army? Iraq's command and control infrastructure? Saddam's sons?

15. Why do you think Iraq had a 'Higher Committee for Monitoring the Inspection Teams' headed by Hussein's Vice-President, and son, Qusay?

There are several international inspection teams in the United States right now--many of the treaties we adhere to, on such subjects as nuclear and chemical arms, require it. The United States has a staff of people who monitor these inspection teams. There is nothing untoward about Saddam doing the same thing.

16. The fact that Iraq trained experts to foil UN weapons inspectors is documented not just by U.S. intelligence organizations, but by those of many other countries. Why do you think Iraq needed to use these tactics, if George W. Bush is lying?

Bluff. See the next answer.

17. In 1995, Iraq admitted it had biological weapons. They declared they had, for example, 8500 liters of anthrax. Where did they all go? If Iraq destroyed them, why would there be any need for more UN resolutions after that?

8500 litres of a living organism with a finite lifespan? Mmm...perhaps it all died?

The dynamics of the Middle East are simple: everyone hates everyone else. OPEC ain't exactly an oily old boys' club. If Iraq was unarmed and everyone knew it, everyone Iraq ever wronged--the list is long but impressive--would be across the Iraqi border with fire in their eyes and grenades in their teeth before time for evening prayers. But if Iraq is armed with Lethal Weapons of Mass Destruction, those same people will stay away.

Quick question: which is cheaper and safer--owning 8500 liters of anthrax, or not owning the anthrax but making everyone think you do? I know if I was Saddam, I'd be an anthrax-declarin'-but-non-anthrax-ownin' kinda guy.

18. When do you think Iraq abandoned their existing Weapons of Mass Destruction program? What do you think was their motivation for abandoning it- the 17th time the UN said 'pretty please', or the fact that it was spending too much money that could used for social programs to improve the lives of Iraqi citizens?

I don't think Iraq ever abandoned the concept of having a WMD program. Face it: WMD is a perfect weapon for a country like Iraq--one where they don't have the troops to face all of the armies they could potentially be asked to fight. No one likes these guys. If Kuwait and Saudi piled on from the west, Iran from the east, Turkey from the north and a coalition of other Arab countries went in from the Persian Gulf, not even the combined strengths of all of the Cold War-era NATO armies would be enough to run off the marauders. But with nerve gas, anthrax and The Bomb, Iraq doesn't need a huge army because the possibility of their using chemical weapons on an invading force (backed up by the reality that the crazy bastard running Iraq has already done it) is enough to dissuade most people.

I do think he abandoned the idea of owning any actual WMDs. You can't make this stuff in your kitchen, at least in tactically significant quantities. You need a chemical plant that's been designed to make WMDs, or a bio plant designed for WMD production, to make non-nuclear WMDs--and he had no plants like this. To make nuclear weapons requires the kind of machining capability Saddam couldn't get together.

19. Do you think the bio-weapons lab vehicles found in Iraq were being used as lunch wagons, or as mobile auto detail trucks?

I think they were used to make hydrogen for inflating weather balloons. The British company who made the vehicles thought the same thing.

20. If a terrorist organization attacked America tomorrow by spraying anthrax over a large city, would you blame George W. Bush for not doing enough?

I would blame Bush for doing the wrong things. Most of America would blame Bush for not doing enough. You freepers would, of course, blame Clinton's penis.

21. Would Hillary?

It would make sense that she would. Any decent American would.

22. How many minutes after the attack do you think it would take for Hillary to appear on CNN?

2880--two days.

23. If an illegal U.S. president declares an illegal war, wouldn't the two cancel each other out?

Yes, but since you've admitted that Bush is an illegal president and this is an illegal war, maybe we can do to Bush what we do to criminals who commit mass murder.

Once again, the freeps wallow in their obsession with faulty logic, defensive stupidity, and "Hitlery." Bush is not exactly the same as Saddam Hussein, but that only means that Bush is a unique tyrant. Bush is not either Saddam or a saint.

I agree with everything posted by OldSoldier, except for one thing. If an illegal US President declares an illegal war, then it is not cancelled out. If there was never an invasion, then the lies of a fraud would not matter at all. However, an invasion instigated by a criminal only exacerbate his crimes.

On a side note, Bush is technically the legal president, so this question is not very accurate. The goal is to avoid the real question of an immoral invasion based upon blatant lies. The real issue is what the consequences should be for a President whose lies have sent hundreds of Americans to their deaths.

Mass graves? Mass murders? Take a look at the troops. Look how much Bush loves the troops.

17. In 1995, Iraq admitted it had biological weapons. They declared they had, for example, 8500 liters of anthrax. Where did they all go? If Iraq destroyed them, why would there be any need for more UN resolutions after that?

Could it be that Saddam was bluffing? that he never had the shit in the FIRST place? Oh, that's right, I forgot. Rumsfeld got receipts for everything.....



18. When do you think Iraq abandoned their existing Weapons of Mass Destruction program? What do you think was their motivation for abandoning it- the 17th time the UN said 'pretty please', or the fact that it was spending too much money that could used for social programs to improve the lives of Iraqi citizens?

They could have ditched the program in 1992, but continued to let the world beleive they still had WMD in order to prevent Israel from storm-trooping in and setting up "settlements"...(that ought to piss him off)



19. Do you think the bio-weapons lab vehicles found in Iraq were being used as lunch wagons, or as mobile auto detail trucks?

Neither, Doofus. As stated by the British, who SOLD him the trailers, they were hydrogen gennies for weather balloons...And if you want serious answers to your questions, and are not just parroting something you saw on Limbaugh's web site, stay on topic. you are the first and only person I've heard alleging that these trailers were roach coaches. Cute. Colon Bowell said they were "Mobile Germ Labs", remember? there IS a difference, although slight, between a "mobile germ lab" and a lunch wagon.

comparison questions are absurd. Is this level of neocon reasoning? Here's a distillation of that line of questioning:

1. Throughout recent history there have been brutal dictators in the world such as Hitler, Pol Pot, Mussolini and Idi Amin.
Is Bush as bad as these men?

The neocons are reduced to arguing that Bush isn't as bad as Pol Pot? The absence of mass graves in America is not a ringing endorsement of the Bush Administration. The fact that Bush doesn't execute the Democratic primary candidates is not a legitimate defense of his abysmal presidency.

and his role in Auschwitz.