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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 11:34 PM
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Hellping The Lounge rid itself of "GD Phobia"
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spacelady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 11:38 PM
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1. Well, according to the Mobile Register, my LTTE about the
administration's LIES will be published, and I am in the direct path of hurricane Dennis, so help me with my phobias, please.
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 11:47 PM
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2. Lizards From The Lounge Are Always Welcome Here, Sir!
Edited on Thu Jul-07-05 11:48 PM by The Magistrate
Why, a friend of mine has a nice restaurant, very cheap, and there is a fine hotel around this corner....
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 11:57 PM
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6. Well, Magistrate, that's the point I'm trying to make.
They just have to observe some decorum and they'll be welcomed with open arms, I have no doubt. I'm working on DU diplomacy, hoping we can all learn to live in harmony and peace. I'm sure the Lizards will frequent the fine restaurant and catch some shut-eye at the inn.
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 12:02 AM
Response to Reply #6
7. That Is My Hope As Well, Sir
Three guests, and my meal and bed are free....
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 12:05 AM
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10. Caution is advised when telling any Lizard about "free" room & board
Edited on Fri Jul-08-05 12:06 AM by autorank
...but I'm sure you will be a gracious host. They will clean up after themselves, the assure me.
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 12:12 AM
Response to Reply #10
12. My Adventurous Youth, Sir
Included a period without real funds in Morocco....
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 12:23 AM
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17. (((LOL)))
Maybe you could host them at that wonderful Moroccan restaurant on New York Ave (I think)where you enter a different world, eat with your hands, and are mesmerized while you watch the dancers...they would talk about that forever in their bohemian "family room" forum...
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spacelady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 12:26 AM
Response to Reply #2
20. I have been deprived of this witty repartee today;
because of Cindy, she was really windy.
May I say, If it's okay
I'd like to partake,
In the Cake
That is your hospitality.
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yewberry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 11:47 PM
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3. Ironic.
I've been wondering whether or not it's safe to go back in the Lounge. It was HELL on veg*ns today.

Nasty shit in there.
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 11:55 PM
Response to Reply #3
4. My Deepest PIty, Ma'am
Goes out to those deprived of the joys of roast pork....
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elshiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 12:02 AM
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8. Roast pork: the bane of us kosher vegetarians.
Gardenburger Riblets taste like the real thing though!
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 12:13 AM
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13. Let Me Assure You, Ma'am
They do no such thing....
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elshiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 12:19 AM
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16. Taste is in the mouth of the eater...
I was a carnivore. I ate good cafeteria ribs for years, YUM, but the idea of eating flesh, started to gross me out...
As a vegetarian, I started eating the Gardenburger ribs and I was instantly reminded of schooldays...I could go all Proust on them...
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 01:16 AM
Response to Reply #16
42. I had a boca burger tonight
that tasted just like the burgers they served in the oakland public schools back in the day.
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elshiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 10:29 PM
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138. Boca burgers are yummy!
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 01:23 PM
Response to Reply #138
147. I have a love/hate relationship with boca burgers
sometimes they hit the spot, and sometimes they bring back bad flashbacks from my short career in the Oakland public schools, namely, 5th-8th grade, or Middle School. Flashbacks to middle school, one will agree, are usually unwelcome.
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yewberry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 12:02 AM
Response to Reply #4
9. Well, now I'm feeling the love in here, too.
Fie on you, I say.

Oh, and trichinosis, too.
:P
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 12:14 AM
Response to Reply #9
14. Worms Build Character, Ma'am
Any small boy can tell you that....
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elshiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 12:32 AM
Response to Reply #9
28. I LOVE TOFU!
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 11:56 PM
Response to Reply #3
5. Oh boy, I'll have to check that one out
But then no matter where you are it's always some form of BS or another. Food fight, flamewar, water baloons, a$$ paddlings, whatever. :spank:
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 12:09 AM
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11. Great poster, says it all!!!
:rofl:
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yewberry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 12:26 AM
Response to Reply #3
19. Okay, no, not safe in there.
Still a total freakshow, but at least the veal, foie gras, and "veg*n diet=ecological destruction" threads are gone.

:scared:
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uncle ray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 10:37 AM
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58. my guess is
when you're user name is tofunut, pretty much everywhere you go meat is gonna be an issue, maybe the problem lies not in those who support eating meat, and have heard all the arguments against it a hundred times over, but with your name? i never get flamed for being Uncle Ray:shrug:

what do you expect when you bring it up at every opportunity? like now.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 10:54 AM
Response to Reply #58
61. A preemptive strike based on a user name? Sounds fair.
Guess I'm dead, too, then.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 10:56 AM
Response to Reply #58
62. The name "uncle ray"
instills such terror in others that we dare NOT flame you, for fear that you will do to us what our own Uncle Rays once did to us! :scared:

(Yeah, just pointless silliness. Sorry to bother you. Back to posting. For the record, I love TofuNut's name!)
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uncle ray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 11:40 AM
Response to Reply #62
69. actually, you nailed it.
my name that is.

when i signed up, having a tough time coming up with an appropriate, yet inappropriate user name, i thought about the childhood "uncle" of my girlfriend, who of course was not an uncle at all, just the weird drunk neighbor at family gatherings, who the children were all scared of.

:evilgrin:


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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 11:48 AM
Response to Reply #69
74. ROFL!! OMG, I was just joking!
That's funny!:rofl:
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yewberry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 03:06 AM
Response to Reply #62
142. jobycom is my hero!
Big love to you for not hating my screenname!

You are a rare gem, sir.
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anarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 01:41 PM
Response to Reply #3
107. ha...I was gonna say something along those lines n/t
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 12:14 AM
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15. Invading, ambushing, raiding Lounge Weenies.
:)
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 12:29 AM
Response to Reply #15
23. ...but...but...my theme was "Can't we all learn to get along."
:toast:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 12:48 AM
Response to Reply #23
33. Yeah, right.
I know boundry creep when it hits me in my remote. Absent friends and present company, autorank.

:toast:
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 01:29 AM
Response to Reply #33
45. LOL...oh no, not the remote...
Edited on Fri Jul-08-05 01:29 AM by autorank
which one am I? :freak:

(Actually, I'm on extended R&R from ERD. GD is looking like Hawaii)
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 12:29 AM
Response to Reply #15
24. The Lizards Are Our Friends, Ma'am
"If you don't vote for the right lizard, the wrong lizard might get in."
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 12:59 AM
Response to Reply #24
36. As a Green, I'm not objective enough to render an opinion, Sir.
(And where is Mr. Swamp Rat when he is needed?)

:)
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 12:24 AM
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18.  "would U prefer - wake up in the AM having beaten a woman or had gay sex"
thread was locked shortly after it showed up in GD tonight


and moved to the Lounge


What does that tell you?
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 12:28 AM
Response to Reply #18
22. That We Have Been Very Busy, Comrade
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 12:30 AM
Response to Reply #18
25. That a man posted it...if it were by a woman, the answer is easy, gay sex!
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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 12:38 AM
Response to Reply #25
29. The man who posted it is gay...
And I don't think *he* was asking the question, but posting something he'd received in his email...

Violet...
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 12:42 AM
Response to Reply #29
30. That Is True, Ma'am
He was inviting protest of some "shock jock" promotion, is my understanding of the matter. But sometimes the first imnpression is too solid not to carry the day....

"In the Hall of Justice, the only justice is in the halls."
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 12:48 AM
Response to Reply #30
32. Why was it relocated?
Your Honor? B-)
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 12:51 AM
Response to Reply #32
34. As The Boy Who Stuck His Hand In The Fan Said, Sir
"It seemed like a good idea at the time."
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 12:54 AM
Response to Reply #34
35. As the Boy Who Stuck His Prick In the Fan said,
would be great thread title.

Where would you stick that?

First impressions, 'n all.
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 12:59 AM
Response to Reply #35
37. Definitely In The Lounge, Sir
In confident expectation the wardens there would remove it on sight....

"No one likes law or sausage should watch either being made."
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 01:09 AM
Response to Reply #37
39. Guess we understand each other then
If that shite belongs in the Lounge, and Admod can isolate it there, Loungers can continue to be "afraid" to step out of the ooze.....

That title was delete-worthy or the thread could have been retitled. The gimmick titling threads by using an offensive phrase that is somehow remedied/refuted in the message is BOGUS. It's repeating the same shite and pretending to be "against" it.

Thank you, You Majesty
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 01:12 AM
Response to Reply #39
40. If That Is How You Feel, Sir
It is a matter for some small regret on my part: my preference is always for friendly relations....
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 01:25 AM
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43. It's not a feeling, it's
Discussion Forum Rules

3. CONTENT
Bigotry and Broad-Brush Smears

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Do not post messages that are bigoted against (or grossly insensitive toward) any person or group of people based on their race, gender, sexual orientation, ethnicity, religion, lack of religion, disability, physical characteristics, or region of residence.

While specific words are not automatically forbidden, members should avoid using racist, sexist, homophobic, or otherwise bigoted terminology. This includes gender-specific terms such as "bitch," "cunt," "whore," "slut," or "pussy," and terms with homophobic derivation, such as "cocksucker," which are often inflammatory and inappropriate. One common exception is the use of the phrase "media whore," which is permitted.

 2. CIVILITY
Personal Attacks, Civility and Respect

The administrators of Democratic Underground are working to provide a place where progressives can share ideas and debate in an atmosphere of mutual respect. Despite our best efforts, some of our members often stray from this ideal and cheapen the quality of discourse for everyone else.

...The fact that the rules do not forbid a certain type of post does not automatically make an uncivil post appropriate, nor does it imply that the administrators approve of disrespectful behavior.

Every member of this community has a responsibility to participate in a respectful manner, and to help foster an atmosphere of thoughtful discussion. In this regard, we strongly advise that our members exercise a little common decency, rather than trying to parse the message board rules to figure out what type of antisocial behavior is not forbidden.
....
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 01:32 AM
Response to Reply #39
46. Hey some of us post in both places,
thankyouverymuch.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 01:53 AM
Response to Reply #46
48. You're welcome
No, Really. (I think). :hi:

The question was why that particular offensive thread title-- which was locked-- was moved.... to the Lounge (which reflects on the Lounge, right?).

I meant to suggest that if offensive shite belongs in the Lounge, that it go there-- NOT that folks need to stay there, too. Sorry.

Except to say, if folks want to tramp around outside the Lounge, they might wipe their feet and not track the shite in elsewhere.

:bounce:
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 02:02 AM
Response to Reply #48
49. Well MY feet are clean
and I was in the lounge most of the evening.

I have no idea why it was moved to the lounge.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 02:08 AM
Response to Reply #49
50. Cool
I don't slam the Lounge. I stay out.

That thread was delete-worthy.

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JimmyJazz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 12:03 PM
Response to Reply #46
82. Leaving the lounge to hunt trolls doesn't count....
oh wait. That's me. Nevermind. As you were. :P
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 12:47 AM
Response to Reply #29
31. Well, then I know his answer too! Lets get some hard questions...
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 12:28 AM
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21. I get the feeling many in the lounge are very young.
Edited on Fri Jul-08-05 12:58 AM by Quixote1818
I posted the exact same post on both the lounge and GD and got completely different responses. Many responses from the lounge were sarcastic with too much emphasis on trying to be funny. The responses from GD showed respect, were educated, mature and reasonable for the most part.

I mainly go to the lounge to be off the wall, which is fun from time to time. It's a great place to talk movies and cats. If I actually had a Cat.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 12:31 AM
Response to Reply #21
26. Weren't we on a thread about Wittgenstein some time ago? or
something weighty. I know it wasn't on The Lounge.
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 12:31 AM
Response to Reply #21
27. Surely You Jest, Sir
Or else "...for the most part" covers enough weasel room for a semi-trailer....
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Cats Against Frist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 10:19 AM
Response to Reply #21
54. They started it, anyway
It was that "trying to be funny," got them on the kick of dissing GD and GDP. I don't really care that they make jokes about some of the kooky shit (apparently not realizing that they're chock-full of stupid shit). It's when they start talking about not being "progressive enough," or saying that we're fucking extremists or ripping on vegetarianism/veganism.

I WAS that kid once -- a Democrat in Name, but completely unwilling to take my hand off the remote control, or put the bong down long enough to take a serious look at politics.

That's fine, however -- if they don't wish to do that, that's they're choice. They're just trying to be funny, and, at the same time, fostering that time-honored tradition of lauding oneself by elevating oneself above others.
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BikeWriter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 11:14 AM
Response to Reply #54
66. We are kids who are chock-full of stupid shit? Thank you for your opinion.
You've reminded me why I seldom post in here.
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progmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 11:33 AM
Response to Reply #54
67. this is ridiculous.
and obnoxious.
and completely unwarranted.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 11:53 AM
Response to Reply #67
77. He claims that he hates when people say others aren't "progressive enough"
and then proceeds to say the lounge is full of DINO's. Go figure.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 11:52 AM
Response to Reply #54
75. Who started it?
Lots of us post in both GD and the Lounge. The lounge is a great place for people that aren't uptight and can have some fun. Unfortunately, politics 24/7 isn't as fun or necessary as it seems. It's OK to back away from the keyboard once in a while. But I guess you're too busy reading the "stupid shit" in the lounge.

"It's when they start talking about not being "progressive enough," or saying that we're fucking extremists or ripping on vegetarianism/veganism.

I WAS that kid once -- a Democrat in Name, but completely unwilling to take my hand off the remote control, or put the bong down long enough to take a serious look at politics."

That's the hypocritical contradiction of the day.
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Mutley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 01:02 PM
Response to Reply #54
104. We are chock-full of stupid shit, eh?
How very liberal of you to say that!
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Cats Against Frist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 01:36 PM
Response to Reply #54
105. I'm replying to my own post, but all responders, as a group
I don't give a fuck what people do in the lounge. Sometimes its really funny. All my post meant to illustrate was the same kind of snarking that the people IN THE LOUNGE started visiting upon GD. I didn't say anything worse about the lounge, than the people who rag on the "crazies" in GD.

Don't like it? Then, don't start it.
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BikeWriter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 01:46 PM
Response to Reply #105
109. You've been here barely over a year. You can't know...
historically who started what with whom. I think is obvious to all who has been objectionable and argumentative in this thread.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 01:56 PM
Response to Reply #105
111. The crazies in the lounge are the crazies in GD.
Though I think you are proving some of them right.
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Cats Against Frist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 02:04 PM
Response to Reply #111
113. Again, I have nothing to say beyond what I've said
I simply tried to write a post that sounded like posts that I've read, in the Lounge, about GD. It was not taken particularly well. I wonder why.
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BlondieK143 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 07:01 AM
Response to Reply #54
145. Wow, how very stereotypical of you.
:eyes: Have you ever tried to have a conversation with one of us "kids" (19 years here)?? Honey, I bet the stories I could tell you would make your head spin. I'm so glad you THINK you're so much better than everyone else here. Aren't we all fighting for the same thing?
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BikeWriter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 11:05 AM
Response to Reply #21
64. Your feeling would be wrong....
It's been a while since we did a poll, but there are many middle aged and older people in The Lounge. What some seem unable to grasp is the name is The Lounge. The conversation is naturally looser there.
"The responses from GD showed respect, were educated, mature and reasonable for the most part." Ahem, could your bias be showing? I've seen some pretty wild posts in here.
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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 12:05 PM
Response to Reply #21
84. 43 years young here.
:hi:
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BikeWriter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 12:09 PM
Response to Reply #84
88. Aye, Lass, but ye look not a day o'er twenty.
How's that for writing with a brogue? :)
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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 12:11 PM
Response to Reply #88
90. That was absolutely brilliant, my good man!
Edited on Fri Jul-08-05 12:12 PM by Misunderestimator
:thumbsup:
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BikeWriter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 12:14 PM
Response to Reply #90
91. Thank you, Dear. :-)
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shockra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 12:59 AM
Response to Original message
38. I don't think they can handle it here.
The only thinking they do is with their stomachs.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 01:14 AM
Response to Reply #38
41. Here I'm trying to promote harmony, and you say that!
What's wrong with real pork or veggie pork?

Which shockra are you? That might explain the question.
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 01:33 AM
Response to Reply #38
47. Um, some of us post all over DU.
:eyes:

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bicentennial_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 10:06 AM
Response to Reply #47
53. Agreed
I think they're just jealous of the lizards...
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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 12:08 PM
Response to Reply #47
87. Indeed...
:crazy: What is WITH this crap anyway? I never even think about the dynamics of different forums within DU... I just read and post about what interests me. This is just weird.
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progmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 11:40 AM
Response to Reply #38
72. what is that all about?
:shrug:
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BikeWriter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 11:57 AM
Response to Reply #38
78. You think we can't handle it here? I say you are making our case for us.
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Mutley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 12:02 PM
Response to Reply #38
80. Why are you insulting your own?
Aren't we all progressives with generally the same values? :shrug:
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Shell Beau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 02:14 PM
Response to Reply #38
118. Really? That is interesting. What do you think with?
With comments like that it makes me wonder.
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xmas74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 01:25 AM
Response to Original message
44. Nearly every time I have posted in GD I later find the
thread locked. I always feel so sad afterwards since I actually went to the trouble of thinking about what to write and all.
Maybe I tend to pick the wrong threads to post in. Or maybe it's a sign to stay in the Lounge. Oh, well.

(BTW-sorry if this thread gets locked later on. I have a habit of doing that.)
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 02:12 AM
Response to Original message
51. Someone should post a "Cats Suck" thread at the Lounge and see
what happens! If you do, make it sound like you really hate Cats and tell a story about putting one in the microwave and watching it's head blow up. That will get a rise out of a few of them. :evilgrin:
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 10:05 AM
Response to Reply #51
52. Quixote1818, Is someone else posting under your name...
:evilgrin: Harsh. PM me when you start the thread.
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 10:46 AM
Response to Reply #52
60. I don't have the guts to post a 'Cat's Suck' thread at the lounge
I worry some Lounge people might actually track me down and skin me alive. Go ahead Autorank you try it!!! I will back you up!:popcorn: :hide:

How about a 'Cat's Suck and Organic Food is unhealthy' thread? That will get 9 out of 10 people up in arms over their.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 09:16 PM
Response to Reply #60
137. I'll have to think about it (haha). Then I could never go back.
Think what that would mean. I'm bookmarking this effort at reconcilliation and I'll hold you to your promise...soon, there will be a knock on your door and I'll be ready to rumbel!
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Not_Giving_Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 10:20 AM
Response to Original message
55. I'm a Lounge Lizard....
But I venture out every now and then. I've never lost a limb!
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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 10:22 AM
Response to Original message
56. Hey dude -
Got any crack? I'm starting to jones real bad, man...

:freak:

:P
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 10:33 AM
Response to Reply #56
57. Hey megan, It's like Lou Reed said, "I'm waiting for my man..."
"...Got 26 dollars in my hand
Up to lexington 125
Feelin’ sick and dirty
Huh, I’m waiting for my man"

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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 10:58 AM
Response to Reply #57
63. He's never early, he's always late
First thing you learn is you always gotta wait
I'm waiting for my man


Hee Hee!

Personally, I often find GD much less intimidating than the Lounge! I'm not quick enough for that place.

But the crack improves my self-esteem :D
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 06:59 PM
Response to Reply #63
128. .
:rofl:
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Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 10:38 AM
Response to Original message
59. The danger of sticking to the lounge is that you can't always keep up
with the basics; the articles, the news, the "connect-the-dots".
So when someone gets brave and posts their theory on X in GD,
they tend to be a wee bit behind. They get flamed.
Next thing you know there's 4 or 5 of the lounger's buds working the thread,
in some cases literally saying, "I've got your back."
Thread isn't going anywhere near the way the OP imagined it would,
ie people aren't throwing flowers, so the OP goes to the lounge and
does an "Oh, woe is me, they hate me in GD" thread,
whereby all the lounge buds gather round and stroke the OP's ego.
Just my 2.
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BikeWriter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 11:35 AM
Response to Reply #59
68. I am atypical of your theory. I am a Lounge Lizard with...
7,000 + posts here and 20,000 + posts on my own political forum. I like the friendlier atmosphere in The Lounge. Does that help blow your theory?
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Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 11:40 AM
Response to Reply #68
70. It's what I've observed over several years.
:shrug:
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BikeWriter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 11:47 AM
Response to Reply #70
73. Hmm, you have a right to your opinion. Mine is...
most of the Lounge Lizards are very politically informed. Some of them, like me, have been insulted in other forums and simply prefer The Lounge. I read regularly here, and post when the mood strikes me.
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Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 11:53 AM
Response to Reply #73
76. I didn't say "all" and neither did you.
Like I said, it's what I've observed over the years. :)
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BikeWriter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 12:06 PM
Response to Reply #76
85. LOL! Come on over to The Lounge and party sometime.
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Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 12:18 PM
Response to Reply #85
94. I dip in and out.
:toast:
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BikeWriter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 12:21 PM
Response to Reply #94
97. I wish more would. Some seem to have...
the wrong opinion of us.
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 12:17 PM
Response to Reply #59
93. One man's ego stroke is another man's circle jerk
I got your back, old buddy! :o
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 09:07 PM
Response to Reply #93
132. Said like a true former Boy Scout!
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livinginphotographs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 11:08 AM
Response to Original message
65. The only reason I ever come to GD is to buy crack.
n/t
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demgurl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 11:40 AM
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71. I have had at least two people ...
write me in private saying they do not come to GD because they feel they will be attacked. I have never felt attacked and have even felt defended. That being said, I can see how people may feel that way since there is a lot of attacking going on. I like it in GD and will stay here while visiting the lounge once or twice a month.
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JimmyJazz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 12:02 PM
Response to Reply #71
81. OMG! How can you post such utter NONSENSE!
Oh sorry - I was just trying to get into GD mode :silly:

:hi:
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BikeWriter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 12:32 PM
Response to Reply #81
99. roflmfao@jimmyjazz
:)
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demgurl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 07:28 PM
Response to Reply #81
130. I just have one thing to say to that........
Edited on Fri Jul-08-05 07:28 PM by demgurl
:P
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GeekMonkey Donating Member (418 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 12:04 PM
Response to Reply #71
83. the only time ive been attacked is when i disagree with
someone's mythology
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JimmyJazz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 12:01 PM
Response to Original message
79. CHEERS!



:P
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JimmyJazz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 12:07 PM
Response to Original message
86. BTW - here's what happened to ME (thanks to YOU) the LAST time
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 12:11 PM
Response to Original message
89. If people are too fucking meek to venture outside of the lounge
they are useless.
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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 12:15 PM
Response to Reply #89
92. I only wish I was half as diplomatic as you...
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JimmyJazz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 12:18 PM
Response to Reply #89
95. you really need to stop being so subtle....I think taking a more
Edited on Fri Jul-08-05 12:19 PM by JimmyJazz
direct approach would suit you much better. :P

on edit: typo, I just put my contacts in and I haven't adjusted to them yet
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 12:26 PM
Response to Reply #89
98. HA!
That has almost been my feeling. :) I go everywhere on this site -- and when I hit The Lounge and see all the :scared: postings, I just have to shrug my shoulders. I truly don't get it. Sure GD is rough and tumple -- hey, that's politics. I don't come here for a tea party, I come for serious, vigorous, political debate. I like The Lounge, but you won't find me hiding out there.
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Shell Beau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 02:16 PM
Response to Reply #89
119. And vice versa!
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BikeWriter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 02:26 PM
Response to Reply #119
121. A salient point! :-)
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Shell Beau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 02:31 PM
Response to Reply #121
122. Why thanks!
;)
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Beware the Beast Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 12:21 PM
Response to Original message
96. I think the Admins should remove the Lounge...it's useless.
Never mind that some folks like to banter to like-minded folks about things other than politics- this is a political site! This forum should be reserved for serious topics, like how Mark Felt knew of a secret anti-gravity machine, and how al Qaeda is a fictional organization perpetrated by the CIA! That's it- rational stuff! No fun allowed!!!!
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Mutley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 12:44 PM
Response to Reply #96
100. Right! And we all think only with our stomachs over there anyway.
WE must be useless, too. :eyes:
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BikeWriter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 12:55 PM
Response to Reply #100
101. Yes, and we are "kids who are chock-full of stupid shit." I think...
Someone owes us an apology!
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Mutley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 12:58 PM
Response to Reply #101
102. They surely do!
Hey, stop calling me Shirly!
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BikeWriter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 01:01 PM
Response to Reply #102
103. *Mutley voice* Hee hee hee hee!
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Mutley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 01:39 PM
Response to Reply #103
106. Hee hee hee hee!
Hey wait! You're copying me! :D :rofl:
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Cats Against Frist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 01:43 PM
Response to Reply #101
108. I don't owe any apologies
My reply was tounge in cheek -- and if you'll check a couple posts above, talk of GD and an "anti-gravity" machine was what started this, in the first place.

I think stupid shit is fine, and so is crazy shit, and everything in between. No one in GD would give a crap about the lounge, if the lounge hadn't started in.
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BikeWriter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 01:54 PM
Response to Reply #108
110. Again, it's The Lounge who "started it?" I see calm and...
Edited on Fri Jul-08-05 01:55 PM by BikeWriter
lucid posts from Lounge Lizards all around me, and I see name-calling and accusations in your posts. Are you so sure you are blameless?
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Cats Against Frist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 02:01 PM
Response to Reply #110
112. I've never said one word about the Lounge
and, so I've been year just over a year. The only place that I EVER hear flak, about GD, is from the lounge. I've already told you that my above posts simply mirrored the tone and snarking that I always hear about GD.

You didn't answer whether or not YOU like to be talked about, that way, but it doesn't seem that it suits you. I've already made my point. I'm sorry if you don't get it.
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BikeWriter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 02:22 PM
Response to Reply #112
120. Snark away but what do you expect in return?
You continue to make your accusations. In my opinion, all you've been doing is fanning embers. A more conciliatory attitude might be appreciated, maybe even rewarded. We are all on the same side, aren't we?
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Cats Against Frist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 03:42 PM
Response to Reply #120
124. We are on the same side
and, outside of my original post, which was worded that way to make a point, I've only expressed discontent with the fact that there's any snarking to begin with. I think the people in the lounge are really funny, and the threads crack me up. There are very quick-witted and interesting people there. They're wonderfully entertaining, except for when they're knocking on THEIR own, in another forum.

Can I have a candy? :)
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BikeWriter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 05:02 PM
Response to Reply #124
125. Okay, that sounds somewhat conciliatory...
I hope we can improve the relationship between the forums. I'll promise to keep an eye out for chances, though I know it won't happen overnight. Uhoh... Candy... I'm afraid I'm all out. :shrug:
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Shell Beau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 02:33 PM
Response to Reply #112
123. It is because the lounge is laid back (most of the time)!
We go there to goof off and we can be serious as well. We talk about important stuff, but we also talk about stuff that has no importance.
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sundog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 02:11 PM
Response to Reply #96
116. seconded! ban the lounge!
:P
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trekbiker Donating Member (724 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 02:07 PM
Response to Original message
114. what is the purpose of a "Lounge"??
are there some unwritten rules about it? GD seems pretty tame to me compared to some places I've been.. fairly well reasoned... and I can say FUCK all I want without offending anyone..
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Droopy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 02:12 PM
Response to Reply #114
117. No unwritten rules
Just people goofing off for the most part.
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JimmyJazz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 09:11 PM
Response to Reply #114
134. well...you can say "FUCK" in gd, but in the lounge, we have orgies
:D
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Droopy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 02:10 PM
Response to Original message
115. I haven't posted in GD or GDP but a few times since the election
It's not that I'm afraid of the political forums, it's just that my heart isn't in it right now. I'm glad that the lounge and other non-political forums are here because I do enjoy them. One of these days I'll get back with the program, but right now I'm just going to take it easy. See you in a few months.
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baby_mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 05:39 PM
Response to Original message
126. Speaking as a newb with less than 200 posts
Edited on Fri Jul-08-05 05:39 PM by baby_mouse
I can only say that I find the Lounge UTTERLY intimidating.
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BikeWriter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 05:55 PM
Response to Reply #126
127. I can't remember feeling that way. If you'll remember...
half the posts there are made tongue in cheek you may feel better. We're really not a bad lot. :-)
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baby_mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 07:17 PM
Response to Reply #127
129. I daresay...

I just don't understand half of what's posted and am not sure what the playground rules are. There's something of an ingrained culture there that I'm not comfortable with. I can see the point of GD, The Lounge seems mostly to be a social group, which is fine, of course, but I think I'd have had to be around this site for a long time before posting there, it would feel like walking into a huge party as a complete stranger where everyone knows each other.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 09:05 PM
Response to Reply #129
131. Welcome to DU!!! The Lounge is "cyber - dada" at it's best!
They only act like they know each other, that's part of the irony. Just go there to clear you head, sort of R&R from the perils of the daily travail of crap that * puts out.

Now, as a newbie I should recommend THE MOST MEANINGFUL forum on DU,
2004 Election Results and Discussion. It is foundational, if the votes don't count, what's the point. It used to appear automatically but something happened. To make it appear on your Main Page "The Latest" automatically, go here, and again welcome

SIGN UP FOR ELECTION RESULTS AND DISCUSSION FORUM

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=203
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baby_mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 06:15 AM
Response to Reply #131
143. Wow! It's big...

I hadn't stumbled across that before, I spend almost all my time in GD or LBN. I'll have to plough through it...

Thank you!
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 08:52 PM
Response to Reply #143
150. Big and really strange, in a strange sort of way...unique on the Net.
It's sort of like Abbot and Costello doing the Japanese Tea Ceremony.

Enjoy!
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BikeWriter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 02:55 AM
Response to Reply #129
139. You've got a couple of super assets on your side, Pard...
1. You're from Scotland.
2. You're not an arrogant smart ass who assumes everyone owes him their friendship. I'd think you should get along just fine over there. :)
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baby_mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 06:23 AM
Response to Reply #139
144. Ta Muchly!

Am flattered!


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BikeWriter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 06:11 PM
Response to Reply #144
148. The Tartan on the bagpipes resembles that of my Mother's family...
The Boyd Clan Tartan.

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JimmyJazz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 09:09 PM
Response to Original message
133. ALL RIGHT! THAT DOES IT!


:P
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 09:14 PM
Response to Reply #133
136. Am I to take this as a hostile act? This was a "unification thread"
You know, kinda like the Unification Church
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BikeWriter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 02:58 AM
Response to Reply #133
140. Aww hell, where'd you find that thing?
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 09:13 PM
Response to Original message
135. Damn!!! Sh#t!!! "Error: you can't recommend your own topics"
I hit the sucker three times to get this on Greatest, why should they be denied and look at what I get. When did this start?
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BikeWriter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 03:05 AM
Response to Reply #135
141. Yes, and it's over 24 hours old, so no one can recommend it...
This may turn out to be a good idea yet, Pard.
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BlondieK143 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 07:08 AM
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146. Lounge Lizard here.
PROUD Lounge Lizard. The Lounge is simply that. A place to be not so serious. I think we all need an escape from reality every once in awhile. I don't know of anyone who can continue to be serious and focused for long periods of time without having some sort of release. I speak for myself when I say that I'm quite intimidated to post here because most of the time, when I do, I get jumped on for stating my opinion. Not just disagreed with, but belittled because my opinion isn't 'good enough' for the few people that post here that think they are on a different level than the rest of us. You can disagree with me, hell, PLEASE DO, but don't make me seem like less of a person because you disagree with me. And just because we like to have fun in the Lounge doesn't mean the majority of us aren't intelligent. That's stereotypical.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 08:50 PM
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149. WTF are you saying...JUST KIDDING.
GD isn't bad at all. There's a lot of debate and that means the people actually like you enough to engage. Just reframe it that way. Or better, yet, when you do feel attacked in GD, just let the emotion flow and lash out at somebody. It will be greatly appreciated.

:hi: cya in The Lounge.
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BikeWriter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 11:09 PM
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151. "Lash out at somebody?" WTF? No, I don't think that would work for me...
That sounds... inappropriate. I believe if you have an intellectual difference with someone you should reason with them. The only reason I'd "lash out" at someone is if I meant to incapacitate them.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 11:37 PM
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152. (((LOL)))
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BikeWriter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 11:51 PM
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153. LOL! Perhaps we're talking about different realities, Bro.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 03:15 AM
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154. The reality is that I was joking with the user on the theme of the
theme of the "big bad GD versus The Lounge." If you read any of the other posts I made on the thread or the thread in general, it's clear that this is all tongue in cheek.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 03:19 AM
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155. Are you sure? Or is BikeWriter gonna break my legs?
LOL!

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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 03:36 AM
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156. Gettin' a little edgy in here. Actually, not your legs, your bytes...
:hi:
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BikeWriter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 07:48 AM
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157. I haven't broken anyone's arm or leg in several years. :-)
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 09:31 AM
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158. So, either I can relax or you're due?!
Okay, I'll go with, whew!

:hi:
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BikeWriter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 03:06 PM
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161. Hee hee hee! You're safe. :-)
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 02:51 PM
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159. Maybe if you guys quit being known for horrible flame-wars...
then the loungers wouldn't have so much disdain.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 09:58 PM
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160. Horrible flame wars?
Please, come to Election Results & Discussion. We get horrible trolls who are adept at a variety of flames, charming, didactic, horrible. At least in GD the flames come from DUers. It occurs to me that the GD-Lounge relationship is like that between same-sex big brothers/sisters who are about five years apart. When they turn 15, 16, the older sibling generally loves the younger but thinks it's normal to ignore thlem or be rude on occasion. The younger sib is crushed and thus begins the competition for success later in life.

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BikeWriter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 03:15 PM
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162. Again with the age difference? I don't think so!
I hope you will assure us you aren't being condescending. Some of us Lounge Lizards are teens, but many of us are veterans or walking wounded of the political wars who want to relax for a while.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 12:59 AM
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163. I started this as a humorous thread, you know fun. Started with a cross
post to the Lounge, thinking it would get about five responses. What's with the "condescending" and "incapacitation" stuff? I don't recall ever posting things to you this strange. I don't have to assure you of anything. Lighten up.
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