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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 02:43 PM
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As for what the other side thinks about the London UK .....
....bombings? Here is an open letter to the victims and their families as well as the people of the UK from Hypatia Clark, Secretary of The Evangelos Society :

<snip>
Who are the real perpetrators of London bombings?
7/8/2005 4:10:00 PM GMT

Dear United Kingdom,

The fact that Karl Rove, "Bush's Brain," is just now caught in the treasonous betrayal of a CIA agent to further his master's agenda, that for the first time we have the Bush Gang in a corner, suggests that this horrific attack on your innocent citizens is a diversionary tactic by the Military/Industrial Complex, the cabal that has backed Bush's rise to power. It is shameful that we let them come to power and that the majority of our citizens are still hypnotized by their lies.

I do not disrespect your suffering by saying this. My baby daughter died in the Oklahoma City bombing--their practice-run at 9/11.

Your tragedy was not done by a previously unheard of branch of Al Qaeda. Some analysts suggest that it was orchestrated and performed by the American Military/Industrial Complex. If you dismiss all the circumstantial evidence that supports this conclusion, you are being as gullible as half my fellow Americans have been. Grieve, of course, grieve your tragic loss. But don't buy their lies
about who is responsible.

<snip>
Please do not let your grief and anger sway your good sense as we did. This was done to distract attention from the treason of , Karl 'Bush's brain" Rove. This was done to make you forget your charges against Tony Blair.

I am the Secretary of an online reading society dedicated to awakening the world to the danger that Bush’s administration poses to freedom everywhere, and I am not attempting to publicize our society on the back of your tragedy.

<more>
<link> http://www.aljazeera.com/cgi-bin/review/article_full_story.asp?service_ID=9212

As for The Evangelos Society, this was a bit tricky to find, by I did turn up this link to their home page and a piece by Dr. Dominik Evangelos:

http://evangelos.seo-blog.org/
http://evangelos.org/members5/unthinkable.html



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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 02:47 PM
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1. Is it just me,
or is that just a touch too... tinfoil hat.
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JimmyJazz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 02:49 PM
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This person offers NO PROOF for these allegations.
:tinfoilhat:

We're supposed to believe her because she says it's so. Besides, the Oklahoma City bombing was on April 19, 1995 - Bush wasn't even the president at that time.
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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 02:49 PM
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2. what side are you on?
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 02:55 PM
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3. "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself"....I posted this because
...the article link came from a Google Alert I have on Karl Rove.

As for what side am I on, I'm on the side of truth. If any DUers know anything about this Evangelos Society, please list comments and links. Thanks.
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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 02:57 PM
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4. I expect the writer of the post you posted
is on the side of truth, also.

I don't know why you said this is from the other side.
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 03:13 PM
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6. I meant the other side being the Arab News.....
...organization Aljazeer.com. I would hardly ever expect to see this type of appeal carried in the London Times or the Chicago Tribune or any MSM network. So have you heard anything about this Evangelos Society?
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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 03:30 PM
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9. have you seen "Control Room" yet?
I haven't heard of the Evangelos Society.
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 03:49 PM
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10. No I haven't, is it on this line of conspiracy thinking....
...As for Evangelos Society, when I saw that term, I thought is might be Spanish for evangelico or evangelist, but it turns out to be a fairly common Greek surname. It in turn may have roots to the surname of Vangelo which is of Italian extraction.
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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 05:59 PM
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13. Control Room
Al-Jazeera seems less biased than most US media - or at least they were being more informative about what was going on in Iraq. For that Rumsfeld ridiculed them.


http://www.controlroommovie.com/site/01.html
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A review:


"Control Room, made by Jehane Noujaim, co-director of the wonderfulStartup.com, is a much needed counterpoint for Americans in the context of Bush administration propaganda on the Iraq War. Indeed, Control Room brings along its own heavy bias in favor of Al-Jazeera, which Donald Rumsfeld calls “Osama Bin-Laden’s mouthpiece” even as he provides his own version of American spin. While the documentary’s sympathetic portrait of Al-Jazeera supplies clear evidence where Al-Jazeera is right and the American government is wrong on certain Iraqi events, the Al-Jazeera reporters interviewed admit their bias. They don’t make ludicrous Fox News claims of being “fair and balanced.”Control Room shows how propaganda works on both sides and how the truth is often somewhere in between.

    Al-Jazeera, launched in 1996, was the first independent news channel in the Middle East, and soon became the most popular news channel with over 40 million Arab viewers. Noujaim intercuts the film among several members of Al-Jazeera, including producers Sameer Khader and Deema Khatib, and the disgusted and bitter Hassan Ibrahim, a journalist who used to work for the BBC. At one point, an American reporter snidely says to him, “Everyone who works for the BBC eventually works for Al-Jazeera.”

    Khader takes the most calm, philosophical approach to it all, asserting matter-of-factly the importance of media and propaganda in any war. He regrets the necessary involvement of cant, but begrudgingly admires how good the Americans are at it. Khatib, however, is the real cynic. He says if Fox News offered him a job, he would accept in an instant, and he plans to send his children to America one day for schooling. Hassan is the idealist. Adamant in his beliefs of American imperialism, he decries, “Eventually you’ll have to find a solution that doesn’t involve bombing someone into submission… democratize or I will shoot you.”

    Most of the film takes place at Central Command, or CentCom, in Doha, Qatar, 700 miles from Bagdad. The film follows Bush’s threat of invasion through the toppling of Saddam Hussein. From Al-Jazeera’s perspective, Noujaim recalls the Bush administration’s changing rationales for invading Iraq, the use of fear in the media to manipulate public opinion, Jessica Lynch, the juvenile deck of cards designating the most wanted men in Hussein’s regime, and the too-coincidental-to-be-accidental bombing deaths of three different Arab journalists on the same day by American planes. From Rumsfeld accusing Al-Jazeera of faking pictures of civilian deaths, Noujaim cuts to indisputable pictures of real victims from the American bombing....

http://www.culturevulture.net/Movies8/ControlRoom.htm



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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 06:09 PM
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15. aljazeera.com is NOT the Al-Jazeera TV channel
It is an entirely separate online magazine, which reprints news from other sources (and accepts articles like the OP).

See Demopedia for details: http://demopedia.democraticunderground.com/index.php/Al_Jazeera
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 08:06 PM
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16. That's helpful, thanks
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cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 03:10 PM
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5. Interesting......I think there's more than just a few
Edited on Fri Jul-08-05 03:14 PM by cliss
suspicious events about this whole attack. I've read that the bombing attack is a reprisal for the Downing Street Memo. There are many suspicious things about the attack....Rudy Ghouliani was near a subway entrance. The Israeli Embassy got an advance phone call just a few minutes before the blasts.

I don't agree with the writer about the Oklahoma City bombing. That was orchestrated by disgruntled Americans.

I'll go along with the rest, though.

Thanks for posting, whistle.
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 03:22 PM
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8. When I heard that Rudy Giuliano was near a subway entrance...
...in London England when this occurred, I smelled a rat. What was this man doing in London and how did he in fact get to be interviewed? As for the Oklahoma City bombing, I'm not convinced we know the entire story on that and who was involved in that whole affair.

This piece came to my email through a Google Alert I have up on Karl Rove, so it was purely by accident that I came across this. Then when I saw a reference to The Evangelos Society, which I had not heard of before and was not able to find a quick reference about without putting it in quotation marks, I thought I would list it here on DU to see if any DUers might have heard about this group.
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 03:19 PM
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7. What an absolutely astonishing...
...pile of shite.
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 03:50 PM
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11. I take it by that comment that any further discussion about....
...this post would be totally fruitless yibbehobba.
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chrisbur Donating Member (161 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 04:20 PM
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12. My wife and I are "conspiring" to
make dinner right now. Then again I'm sure right. What a pile of shit. Our American leadership would never do anything so horrible.
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SeveneightyWhoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 06:08 PM
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14. What the hell?
I assume you posted this to show DU'er how NOT to argue? How NOT to get caught up in delusional conspiracy theories with nothing at all to back them up?

"My baby daughter died in the Oklahoma City bombing--their practice-run at 9/11."

So the fact that someone's daughter died in the OKC bombing is proof that Karl Rove was behind 9/11. Perfect. Got it.
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