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BushFungus Donating Member (77 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 10:57 AM
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Sunday Morning News Shows Mum on Rovegate: WHAT'S GOING ON!!
What the heck is going on here? NONE of the Sunday Morning News programs said ANYTHING about the Karl Rove scandal! I thought for sure McLaughlin would say something, but NOOoooo...
:wtf:

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Singular73 Donating Member (999 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 10:59 AM
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1. Yeah, noticed that too...
I think the London bombings ursurped it...

The MSM will hit this hard though, just watch.
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Democrat 4 Ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 11:32 AM
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3. And we need an update every five minutes on the hurricane?
Edited on Sun Jul-10-05 11:33 AM by Democrat 4 Ever
I feel enormous sympathy and empathy for the people who are being effected by the terrible weather but does the American viewing public - hundreds and thousands of miles away from the storm - need updates from reporters standing in the obligatory rain slicker with wind, rain and rising surf updates every few minutes? As if we need a wind buffeted moron standing at water's edge to get the idea things are bad. Really? I'm sure that the people in the affected areas have on local channels, people who have friends and family in the area are getting timely updates but what is up with "reporting" that the storm will hit in the next few hours or days, on a continuous loop? Does anything change so quickly that we need to devote 24/7 coverage to this?

Same thing when a snow storm hits in Kentucky. Stop the presses, cancel all news except sending reporters to various spots in the area, stand shoe top deep in a drift (we tend to over react with any snow amounts, just let it turn cold and some one sneeze outdoors and there is a run on the stores for milk and bread) to report on how bad the roads are (Really? They are just as bad two blocks from my house as they are RIGHT OUTSIDE MY DOOR?!). Jeez, MSM is just Entertainment Tonight with uglier reporters.

Same thing with 24/7 for a poor brain dead woman, a missing child in Idaho or Aruba, or a bombing in London. etc. I am so sick of these fake crisises with their own graphics, logos and accompanying theme music to heighten the "drama." These events are horrible but they DO NOT shift and change from moment to moment enough to warrant shutting down the entire news cycle for just one event. News shouldn't be one long video game with endless sponsors but that is what we have today.

How many people died in Iraq yesterday? What is the latest on the Downing Street Minutes? What progress has been made with China or North Korea? What is Congress doing about healthcare or the economy or deficits or the environment or Rove's leak or Supreme Court nominees? What totally stupid thing has Chimpy done today? Who has he pissed off now? Anybody got an update on any of that stuff?

And that, my friends, was my Sunday rant. Sorry but I needed to get some frustration out. I'll now go back to Hurricane Dennis and just wonder about the other stuff. Arg-g-g-gh!

*Edit for typo. Dang.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 11:10 AM
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2. The same thing that happened with the election fraud news.
There's a blackout because the media is part of the conspiracy.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 11:35 AM
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4. The explosions in London saved Rove, for now.
That's why you saw Chertoff on all the shows. It's a temporary repreive though. Don't worry.
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 03:57 AM
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14. Why didn't he ask Chertoff about HIS terrorist links?
Edited on Mon Jul-11-05 04:15 AM by Al-CIAda
Did Bush's New Homeland Security Nominee Protect Terror-Linked Doctor from Prosecution?
Bernard Kerik, Michael Chertoff... Who's Next?  Tony Soprano?
Daniel Hopsicker
January 12, 2005 - Venice, FL

Michael Chertoff, appointed by President Bush to head the Homeland Security Department, may have shielded from criminal prosecution a former client suspected by law enforcement of having funneled millions of dollars directly to Osama Bin Laden while in charge of the U.S. Government’s 9.11 investigation.

Egyptian-born Dr. Magdy el-Amir, a prominent New Jersey neurologist, was at the center of terrorist intrigue in Jersey City.

-El-Amir gave money to a conspirator in the 1993 World Trade Center Bombing Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman.

-His brother in Cairo was caught on tape attempting to buy weapons from an American undercover agent for Islamic militant groups.

-Before being arrested in a terrorist deal involving oil and heroin for guns and training, arms smuggler Diaa Mohsen was paid at least $5,000 by one of Dr. el Amir's companies, NBC’s Dateline reported.

And his HMO was suspected by law enforcement of being used to funnel money directly to Osama bin laden.  


Wire Transfers to "Unknown Parties"

Chertoff’s client "caused more than $5.7 million to be paid by wire transfers to unknown parties," said the lawsuit filed shortly before the state took over his failing HMO. News accounts about el-Amir’s legal difficulties contain unanswered questions about undue political influence and its effect on national security.
For example, how did el-Amir, who only the month before had been granted a state license to operate an HMO, finagle a lucrative contract from the state of New Jersey in 1995?

“Why was this doctor allowed to start a health plan?” asked the October 25, 1999 issue of the medical trade journal Medical Economics.

“How could this medical entrepreneur, who had no experience running a managed-care or health insurance company, receive a license for an HMO that now provides care to 44,000 of New Jersey's most vulnerable citizens?" asked The Bergen Record. “Moreover, how could the state pay such a novice $ 6 million a month in taxpayers money to take on such a responsibility?”

Why did Michael Chertoff even take the case? 


Skimming for Osama in New Jersey

Answers were slow in coming, until it was revealed that at the same time el-Amir was pitching state business he had begun making generous contributions to the governing Republican party, donating nearly $ 18,000 to various GOP candidates in 1996. 

And a foreign intelligence report made available to the Chairman of the House International Committee alleged that an HMO owned by Dr. el Amir in New Jersey was “funded by Ben Laden,” and that in turn Dr. el Amir was skimming money from the HMO to fund “terrorist activities.”’…

 Stuff like that doesn’t happen, does it?  In New Jersey?

Barely three years after enrolling its first patient, APPP lay in financial ruins, its network doctors and hospitals were saddled with millions of dollars in unpaid claims, and its founder had retained the services of Michael Chertoff.

Did Chertoff know where the stolen money was going?

"Frankly, we can't differentiate between terrorism and organized crime and drug dealing," then-Asst Attorney General Michael Chertoff told the Senate Banking Committee looking into the terrorists’ money trail in the aftermath of 9.11.

“These groups don't hold themselves independently: They work with one another. Terrorists get engaged in drug activity. They have relationships with organized crime," Chertoff said.
 

Paging Tony Soprano....


DETAILED LINK-
http://www.madcowprod.com/01122004.html

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Operation Diamond Back
Interview with FBI Whistblower Randy Glass
Originally aired: 07/02/04
http://innworldreport.net/video/2004-07-02/glass.html

----
Glass was an FBI informant working deep cover sting operations to net illegal arms deals. In the summer of 1999 he met, while wearing a wire, two men with ties to Pakistan's ISI, one of whom pointed to the World Trade Center and said "those towers are coming down." One of the dealers he met was Elamir's brother.
In July 2001, Glass took warning of imminent attacks to public officials, including Senator Bob Graham. His fax to Graham read "I've told you repeatedly about my terrorist case...the threats of blowing up the World Trade Center…Airplanes being used."
Glass believes, given his experience and what he saw from agents, that the FBI thwarted investigations which could have revealed 9/11. He also believes that Pakistan provided state sponsorship for the attacks.
A couple of excerpts from Paul Thompson's timeline:
July 14, 1999: US government informant Randy Glass records a conversation at a dinner attended by him, illegal arms dealers Diaa Mohsen and Mohammed Malik (see June 12, 2001), a former Egyptian judge named Shireen Shawky, and ISI agent Rajaa Gulum Abbas, held at a restaurant within view of the WTC. FBI agents pretending to be restaurant customers sit at nearby tables. (WPBF Channel 25, 8/5/02, MSNBC, 8/2/02) Abbas says he wants to buy a whole shipload of weapons stolen from the US military to give to bin Laden. (Cox News, 8/2/02) Abbas points to the WTC and says, "Those towers are coming down." This ISI agent later makes two other references to an attack on the WTC. (WPBF Channel 25, 8/5/02, Cox News, 8/2/02, Palm Beach Post, 10/17/02) Abbas also says "Americans are the enemy," and, "We would have no problem with blowing up this entire restaurant because it is full of Americans." (MSNBC, 3/18/03) The meeting is secretly recorded, and parts are shown on television in 2003 (see also August 17, 1999). (MSNBC, 3/18/03)
...
June 12, 2001: Operation Diamondback, a sting operation called uncovering an attempt to buy weapons illegally for the Taliban, bin Laden and others, ends with a number of arrests. An Egyptian named Diaa Mohsen and a Pakistani named Mohammed Malik are arrested, and accused of attempting to buy Stinger missiles, nuclear weapon components and other sophisticated military weaponry for the Pakistani ISI. (South Florida Sun-Sentinel, 8/23/01, Washington Post, 8/2/02) Malik appears to have had links to important Pakistani officials and Kashmiri terrorists, and Mohsen claims a connection to a man "who is very connected to the Taliban" and funded by bin Laden. (Washington Post, 8/2/02, MSNBC, 8/2/02) Some other ISI agents came to Florida on several occasions to negotiate, but they escaped being arrested. They wanted to partially pay in heroin. One mentioned that the WTC would be destroyed (see July 14, 1999 and Early August 2001). These ISI agents said some of their purchases would go to the Taliban in Afghanistan and/or terrorists associated with bin Laden. (New York Times, 6/16/01, Washington Post, 8/2/02 (B), MSNBC, 8/2/02) Both Malik and Mohsen lived in Jersey City, New Jersey. (Jersey Journal, 6/20/01) A number of the people held by the US after 9/11, including possible al-Qaeda members Syed Gul Mohammad Shah and Mohammed Azmath (see September 11, 2001) are from the same Jersey City neighborhood. (New York Post, 9/23/01) Mohsen pleads guilty after 9/11, "But remarkably, even though he was apparently willing to supply America's enemies with sophisticated weapons, even nuclear weapons technology, Mohsen was sentenced to just 30 months in prison." (MSNBC, 8/2/02) Malik's case appears to have been dropped, and reporters find him working in a store in Florida less than a year after the trial ended. (MSNBC, 8/2/02) Malik's court files remain completely sealed, and in Mohsen's court case prosecutors "removed references to Pakistan from public filings because of diplomatic concerns." (Washington Post 8/8/02)

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline/main/randyglass.html

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Flashback:Chertoff headed the anthrax investigation

The legislation allows intelligence officials to share information with prosecutors for the first time. The immediate effect will be that a bundle of intelligence files from the CIA and other agencies on terrorism suspects will be shipped to a Justice Department terrorism task force headed by Attorney General Michael Chertoff.
Files on prior attacks and radical groups gathered before the Sept. 11 attacks are of particular interest for what they may reveal about possible new attacks, Justice Department officials said.
While new intelligence information will be available, investigators are still waiting for tests that will show whether the anthrax sent to Sen. Tom Daschle, D-S.D., was treated with chemical additives. That would indicate the anthrax probably is produced in a sophisticated state-sponsored lab. Officials have cited early indications that the anthrax attacks might be the work of a domestic terrorist. Homeland Security Director Tom Ridge said the anthrax sent to Daschle was altered to make it more easily inhaled.

http://www.courttv.com/assault_on_america/1026_terrorlaws_ap.html
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 11:36 AM
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5. What do you expect... This is the same
media who did not ask the important questions before the war. They do what they are told...
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Zen Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 11:42 AM
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6. Once again, this story does not need to be flogged in the media.
This is a Special Prosecutor and Grand Jury matter. If indictments are returned, THEN you'll see some press coverage.

In the meantime, articles by Newsweek and the bloggers with inside info are keeping us up to date.

Fitzgerald isn't quite the leaker that Ken Starr was -- Fitzgerald is playing this very close to the vest. Which indicates to me that Fitz doesn't need any hype on this matter.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 12:23 PM
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7. Yes, Grand Jury doesn't care what's on TV
and Fitzgerald will move ahead no matter what.

(You are dead on w Fitz not needing hype ala Ken Starr)
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Samantha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 12:32 PM
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8. Some times there are just no words
and they have none. They don't know what to say. None of them wants to get into any trouble.

I made a point of planting myself in front The McLaughlin Group to hear its commentary. The first thing I noticed was that Lawrence O'Donnell was MIA.

Maybe they are just waiting for the dam to burst. I know I am.

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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 12:47 PM
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9. Came out too late - 3 AM East Coast time
some of those shows are taped on Sat
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brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 12:54 PM
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10. Imagine...
my surprise when I heard Nancy Giles on the CBS Sunday Morning show mention Novak. She was doing an opinion piece about the vacuity of celebrity Reality shows. Though I looked for a transcript to no avail, I can paraphrase for you. "What I'd like to see is Bob Novak in jail".


I got the feeling Nancy thinks real reality is being overlooked.

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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 03:40 AM
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11. it's the Corporate Media . . . they're in BushCo's back pocket . . . n/t
.
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snowbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 03:48 AM
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12. Hurricane Dennis kept the news occupied Sunday... and...
I think Rehnquist will hand in his papers (perfectly timed) to keep the spotlight off Rove.

For the next few months, the Supreme Court vacancies will be huge.. But remember, the Plame/Wilson/Rove/Novak/Cooper case is being INVESTIGATED..

Sooner or later, it will have it's day. We just have to be patient.

Big boy Rove isn't going anywhere too fast
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6000eliot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 03:49 AM
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13. No blowjobs=no news?
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Lecky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 04:03 AM
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15. I think people are waiting...
...for something to happen, like an indictment or something before they report more on this story.

It's pissing me off as well, all day yesterday there was 24 hour hurricane Dennis coverage. I understand the need for hurricane coverage...but nonstop 24 hours? There's only so long I can watch Anderson Cooper blowing in the wind.
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snowbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 04:07 AM
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16. LOL.. I was watching that too..
Anderson was freaking when that sign went down.. After I saw that, I thought.. they'll probably re-run a clip of this again in a few days.

Well.. I didn't have to wait.. they ran clips of Anderson and the blowing down sign ALL DAY....
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Lecky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 04:12 AM
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18. Yeah, they really overplayed that falling Ramada sign story
Edited on Mon Jul-11-05 04:17 AM by Lecky
RIP Ramada sign

Even when the hurricane turned into a tropical storm they were showing footage of that stupid ass sign...

It was pretty hilarious.
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snowbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 04:22 AM
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19. I have to admit... that journalist with Anderson..
John somebody or other... he did awesome out there in the hurricane. Anderson was about out of breath with excitement, but John was calm.. really awesome..

After the storm, he found the "R" from the Ramada sign and gave it to Anderson
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TWiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 04:07 AM
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17. Hurricane Dennis needed to be sensationalized.
I think MSM realizes that it will be mercilesly attacked if it questions the bushtapo.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 05:15 AM
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20. Gannon, DSM, Plame
Ignore &/or downplay. The stories will fade down into the rat hole.
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TWiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 10:37 AM
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24. Well, the good new is that
they are beginning to cover religious viewpoints as though they were fact. Evidence is not needed to sell that fare, just a pulpit and someone who is willing to speak from it.
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Puzzler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 05:34 AM
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21. Hey...look over there...
... London was bombed. And as soon as the hurricane season is over, we can get back to the important issues: missing rich white females.


-P
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dutchdemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 05:44 AM
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22. Rove photoshops





www.freekarl.com









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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 06:15 AM
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23. NBC's Today Show just covered this as a top headline!!
They did say that Rove claims to have never mentioned Plame by name but that he was the "secret source" for Matt Cooper and that "a few days later" Plame's name appeared in an article by Bob Novak.


Certainly the implication by NBC News is there.
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