If you know anything about Rove, you know they ain't giving him up

Actually, let me re-phrase: if you know anything about Rove's position and role within the Cabal, you know that he IS the king of the hill. As Dana Milbank put it:

Washington, D.C.: What odds would you give at this point that this will lead to Rove's firing?

Dana Milbank: My predictions are often comically off, but here goes: This is Karl Rove's town, and the rest of us -- President Bush included -- are just living in it.

How the fuck are they going to get out of this jam? ASSUMING that this won't blow over like every other scandal -- and IMO chances are it won't, because this time, there's an actual investigation and it doesn't depend on CNN to keep it alive -- what are they gonna do?

Fire Rove? I'm trying real hard, Ringo, but I can't imagine that happening.

Frog march? Yeah right. The WH would become another Waco.

Keep him on? If this doesn't die, political self-destruction for Bush.

I'm dying to see what happens.

n/t

We'll hang Traitor Rove like a noose around every GOP Politician in Washington. You are either for traitors or you are against traitors.

Then they can ALL go down together.

I always thought it silly to act as if the problems of conservatism was just Shrub or just delay or frist or just Rush...

It's all of them and more and they need to be seen as a composite.

as it has. One thing people seem to forget - success (or failure) is not permanent. I say his time is up!

...from still running the show? He still has a phone. He still has email. Why can't bush still call him every day? Why can't he still do exactly what he does now, except from a different office and without the "official title"? It's not like Halliburton won't hire him, and we, as taxpayers, will STILL be paying his salary.

So, IMHO, firing him isn't good enough. He needs to be convicted and put away. Or someone needs to keep a real close eye on him to make sure that he's not being given confidential information for which he does not have clearance.

...what I would like to see is the WH defending him to the death, spending LOTS of their vaunted Political Capital in the process. Right up to the point where he's indicted, tried, convicted, and locked away.

The only way to really get him out of the picture is federal prison.

Unfortunately, I think the other scenario is more likely.
Even if he is shuffled off the WH stage for a while,
I think he will most likely pop up in a high paying
CEO job.
Justice?
Not in THIS America.
Sad, but growing increasingly clear.
BHN

of how things work these days.
BHN

today with Scotty..

QUESTION: How long has the president known that Karl Rove spoke in 2003 to at least one reporter about Joseph Wilson’s wife?

MCCLELLAN: That’s a question relating to the investigation. You’ve had my response on those questions.

QUESTION: Was it like a big surprise to him this week when the story broke about it?

MCCLELLAN: Again, it’s an ongoing, continuing investigation and I think I’ve addressed why I’m not going to get into discussing it further at this time.

QUESTION: So I understand your reluctance to talk. Mr. Rove’s attorney, Mr. Luskin, spoke to reporters a few days ago. Would you be willing to allow your attorney to speak to reporters about these matters?

There's more at Rawstory..
"Another day: Press savages White House over Rove, again"
http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Another_day_Press_savages_White_House_over_Rove_0712.html

They're done with elections. * doesn't need him anymore, and don't think that he really cares about the 'party' or the future of a republican majority. Pinky and the brain are taking their cut already and don't really need him anymore.

george 1st cut karl loose when he became a liability, i expect no less from george jr. None of these scumbags has an ounce of loyalty to anyone anyway.

Snicker

The Bush Regime will never surrender on this because it will weaken them.
The will go on the Offensive as they always do. The only way that Rove will leave is in handcuffs.

Bush will simply pardon him. Period.

Otherwise, it'll just blow over. Fitzgerald may be shown the error of his ways, or some other "intervention" could occur, I suppose.

But you're right. Rove isn't going down, and Bush won't be doing without him.

I can also see an interim sort of scenario where he "resigns" (or some such) but then just goes on the RNC payroll and continues doing what he's doing.

This is going nowhere. Period.

And you know what? That makes it THE most damaging and dangerous thing that will happen to this Republic. Because when they get away with not giving up Rove or being accountable for his obvious crimes, they will KNOW, like they've never understood before: there IS no resistance, and they can have whatever they want, whenever they want it. The laws are for the Little People, not them. Nothing need stand in their way. It's over.

I hope I'm wrong; I fear I'm not.

Well, your analysis I agree with. Bush won't let him go. And in addition, you're right in saying that IF this were to go nowhere, it would be the final, open, uncensored admission in the American national consciousness: we don't have a representative government. IF this goes nowhere, it won't be just liberal intellectuals saying that; it will be apparent, obvious, undeniable, to every dumb couch potato.

Which is the reason I can't see that this scenario as realistic. We're used to political failure in the last five years, and I think we've become overcynnical. Whatever propagandistic acrobatics the Bushies have pulled off, their success hinged on the fact that the average American still believes that he or she lives in a representative Republic, and that nobody is above the law. Wrong as that belief is, it has been a necessary ingredient in the soup.

I don't see how they can get away with this and maintain that illusion. I don't think it's theoretically possible.

Which means, this will have to blow somewhere. The pressure is too great and the water will have to be drained. But I can't tell how or where it will happen. IMO Bush won't give up Rove, and Rove won't get away with this. And I can't think of a third scenario.

It's interesting, to say the least.

They keep thinking Americans are too dumb to notice all their screwups.

This time, I think it's real easy: Everyone knows Rove outed a WMD analyst to score political points.

Outing CIA agents pretty much destroys the Republican's slogan about being "STRONG ON NATIONAL SECURITY".

Let them hold on to Rove. Let Rove be the face of the Republican party.

He just bring down the whole Republican party with him.