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tinfoilinfor2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 01:37 PM
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Curious? Weren't there several reports that 70+ died after Plame leak?
Edited on Thu Jul-14-05 01:37 PM by tinfoilinfor2005
I don't have any links but I remember seeing in DU reports of seventy or more people who were killed because Plame's identity was disclosed. Does anyone know this for a fact, and if so, why hasn't this been brought up in the msm?
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 01:38 PM
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1. No, I don't think it was ever proven that anyone died. NT
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Goldmund Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 01:39 PM
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2. Because if there is such info, it's classified
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flamin lib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 01:44 PM
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3. What you said. The CIA doesn't confirm or deny any report of
any kind regardless of how outlandish it may be. To do so would give away some small level of secrecy.

If the Daily Star reported that that the CIA was cooperating with space aliens they would not confirm or deny it.
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Robert Oak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 01:45 PM
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4. good research topic
I saw these too and I think it's fairly important to stop the spin.

It's just unbelievable that someone working in the underground
WMD black market for the US is exposed and this would really help
point out what the fuck Rove did that was so evil and outrageous.
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tinfoilinfor2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 02:01 PM
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8. I would think it would make all the difference in the world.
To reveal the identity of an undercover CIA agent is one thing, but to have it result in the deaths of colleagues or ordinary citizens is more than grounds for a death sentence, IMO.
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 01:47 PM
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5. Yes, there were reports
Nothing was confirmed or official, but in the shadowy world of espionage, who can ever really know anything for sure?



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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 01:48 PM
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6. I remember that there were executions (group, I believe)
shortly after the Plame outing in the Middle East. I can't remember if they were linked to the security breach or not.

Peace.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 01:50 PM
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7. What was the timeline
of the Aramco deaths?
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 02:18 PM
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9. Newsday reported that 2 ex-CIA (retired) were going to tell Congress
that 70 to 140 (never pinned down a #) "foreign assets were liquidated" as a result of Plames outing. That's been widely interpreted to mean "people were killed". We'll never know.
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tinfoilinfor2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 02:24 PM
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10. Would that be information that Fitzgerald would have or want
as part of his investigation?
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Poiuyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 03:48 PM
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20. Terminated with extreme prejudice?
I've heard anywhere from 25 to 90 assets were liquidated as a result of Plane's operation being compromised.
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 02:32 PM
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11. Did some surfing--the numer 70 apparently
came from Al Martin (?) who reported on Wilson's speech ID'ing Rove as the leaker on 8/29/something at a symposium. It's been widely repeated all over the 'net.

There could be charges if there's evidence it's true. Don't forget, some of these assets might be U.S. Citizens.
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tinfoilinfor2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 02:40 PM
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12. I just don't understand why this isn't brought up or questioned
on CNN, MSNBC, et al, now that they have decided to wake up and air the story. After all, it is for this very reason that CIA operatives must retain their secret status...people die.
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JPZenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 02:47 PM
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13. Other Agents Outed
The story I read is that other CIA agents were "outed" when Plame was outed. That is because they worked for the same CIA front corporation.
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tinfoilinfor2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 02:52 PM
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14. So just wondering if they also are a part of the investigation?
I would think so. Very curious how deep this all goes...
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Drifter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 03:29 PM
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17. That's right ...
One of the side effects of her outing, was the outing of the fake company used as a front to help keep these folks undercover.

Anyone associated with that company is as good as dead. If they aren't dead they are hiding to prevent getting that way.

I'm sure there are a number of other assets that were compromised.

Cheers
Drifter
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 03:18 PM
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15. Yes. I do remember the number being at 70! Thanks for the info.
Way to ride that wave, elehhhhna!

peace.
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Drifter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 03:24 PM
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16. Whether they were killed or not ...
either way we lost a lot of extremely valuable assets. Either they were killed or they were forced to stop doing what they were doing and disappear (so that they would not be killed).

Nearly 20 years invested gone.

Treason during Wartime

Cheers
Drifter
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anarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 03:36 PM
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19. exactly right
whether compromised, exposed, possibly killed...one way or the other, written off as useful assetts. treason, no doubt about it.

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Tommymac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 03:32 PM
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18. They should not bring it up
unless it can be verified.

Why give the RW an easy way to discredit the investigation?
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gordianot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 04:12 PM
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21. It is proper to ask this as a question.
Since some RW are denying that Plame was a covert agent what would it hurt to ask if any agents were killed or compromised? Just don't expect any answer.

If the answer is NONE doesn't that partially confirm Plame was an agent? This would also put the administration in the position of having to deny an agent they compromised (which is what we are witnessing). Since there are some indications this was a substantial operation, and some in the intelligence community who know the truth. Who wants to put their life on the line when those who sent you turn out to be traitors?

No matter the outcome, Bushco has made some real enemies that even Poppy and his connections cannot discourage.

Rove's big mistake was to think with his dirty political tricks he is even in the same class as the tricksters in Langley. He will pay and payday is coming.
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tinfoilinfor2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 07:56 PM
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22. I just hope that it all comes out and exposes them for the monsters
that they are.
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