Repub Hagel:There is a cloud over this administration. Now live on CNN

Bush lied people died.

He was very critical on bonehead and the scheme to rob Iraq consistently until the war started.

He was very critical on bonehead and the scheme to rob Iraq consistently until the war started.

Not sure how he finally voted, but he was one of the republican holdouts.

I don't remember him opposing it at all. But, he definitely voted for it.

... I believe. It's been widely misreported on discussion boards that Hagel's election win was a surprise, and therefore possibly fraudulent. But my understanding is that he was in fact always ahead in the polls. He's a pretty good guy -- moderate Repub who was against the war all along.

Or maybe it depends on how much you trust corporate control of blind voting systems. I don't find a reason to trust them.

Hagel's positioning himself well now but considering the political landscape in which we find ourselves, I'm always amused at the left's willingness to look to a repub for salvation.

"If You Want To Win An Election, Just Control The Voting Machines"

The respected Washington, DC publication The Hill (www.thehill.com/news/012903/hagel.aspx) has confirmed that former conservative radio talk-show host and now Republican U.S. Senator Chuck Hagel was the head of, and continues to own part interest in, the company that owns the company that installed, programmed, and largely ran the voting machines that were used by most of the citizens of Nebraska.

Back when Hagel first ran there for the U.S. Senate in 1996, his company's computer-controlled voting machines showed he'd won stunning upsets in both the primaries and the general election. The Washington Post (1/13/1997) said Hagel's "Senate victory against an incumbent Democratic governor was the major Republican upset in the November election." According to Bev Harris of www.blackboxvoting.com, Hagel won virtually every demographic group, including many largely Black communities that had never before voted Republican. Hagel was the first Republican in 24 years to win a Senate seat in Nebraska.

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When Bev Harris and The Hill's Alexander Bolton pressed the Chief Counsel and Director of the Senate Ethics Committee, the man responsible for ensuring that FEC disclosures are complete, asking him why he'd not questioned Hagel's 1995, 1996, and 2001 failures to disclose the details of his ownership in the company that owned the voting machine company when he ran for the Senate, the Director reportedly met with Hagel's office on Friday, January 25, 2003 and Monday, January 27, 2003. After the second meeting, on the afternoon of January 27th, the Director of the Senate Ethics Committee resigned his job.

Meanwhile, back in Nebraska, Charlie Matulka had requested a hand count of the vote in the election he lost to Hagel. He just learned his request was denied because, he said, Nebraska has a just-passed law that prohibits government-employee election workers from looking at the ballots, even in a recount. The only machines permitted to count votes in Nebraska, he said, are those made and programmed by the corporation formerly run by Hagel.

http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0131-01.htm

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My post:

Even he's questioning Dubya on 'Inside Politics'

We need to find out if this was an Intelligence Problem, handling, or whether High Ranking officials in the Admin molded and shaped the Intelligence to fit their own agenda.

When asked about Tenet and the CIA: Its more that one person and agency. VP Cheney, Rumsfeld and his people, Condi Rice were all involved in this, and we need to find out what happened

Edit: Opps, had to remove my sig...lol

on Friday. This may be one of the most conservative political news shows that there is. There was no Dem on the Friday show at all.

Hagel said the same thing then. He also said, it goes beyond politics and to the heart of American credibility in the world. Hagel had lots of questions for the administration and said it is time for Dick Cheney to answer some questions.

When I saw Hagel on Friday, I knew then that this is not going away any time soon.

The Chimp is in trouble I think?

Don

He needs to resign for his health.

First Agnew, then Nixon. That's the only way it works.

A major Repub is now on record...Shit's hitting the fan big time!

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The doubt that this will transmography into a full-blown Son of Watergate grow fainter every day. Bush may not be ready to be consumed, but they are starting the fire, getting the green hickory wood stacked next to it and preparing the dry rub. The repukes, that is.

Just like the early days of Watergate.

This is not the Son of Watergate. This one makes Watergate pale in comparison. Watergate was a two-bit burglary compared to knowingly taking the nation to war on the basis of lies told to the American people.

I am resisting all attempts to name it WMDgate or Iraqgate, as I think it diminishes the importance of the crimes to paint them as another in the long string of "gates" since Watergate.

This is sweeeeeeet indeed!

whose fart cloud hangs over the voting machines? Where's my poncho? I think I nees an umbrella and goggles too!

He's been critical of Bush for quite some time, and it's just another part of my bizarro existence as a Nebraska Democrat: My Repub Senator makes me prouder than my Dem candidate, despite the whole Diebold thing.

Totally agree with you. I have much more respect in Hagel than I do in Nelson. He speaks his mind, to hell with the party line.

and I doubt he takes kindly to possibly being duped into agreeing to send armed forces into another country. He knows what it's like to be shot at.

No Republican (except for an oddball like Ron Paul) is going to play lone wolf and cross Dubya without backing. There's a rupture in the hivemind and some powerful interests are looking to smack the Boy King back in line.

Sen. Rockefeller saying this kind of shit earlier was a signal to the administration that the Council on Foreign Relations would not back them up.

Sen. Diebold saying this kind of shit is a signal that the fix won't be in come 2004, IMO!!!!

They are throwing Dumbass and crew overboard on this one folks, AND IT'S BARELY STARTED!!!!!

Since they don't want the Democrats taking a majority in either the House or the Senate.

If a couple Repugs break ranks, especially respectable ones, I look for the dam to give way soon thereafter. To fend off the "Liberal Presidential Conspiracy" counterattack, any Dem who wants to bash * should start off with, "As my colleague Senator Hagel said, ....". Frankly I can't believe McCain has swallowed his tongue on this one. He detests Smirk & Cheny anyway, and this seems like a good chance to pile on in a stateman-like fashion.

Appearing "predictable". He is surely suited up, ready to enter the game at such time as he can look like he has had a high, hot and helluvalot gravitas enema and come away stinking of elder statesmanship. A mature and sensible alternative to these thuggish twerps for the repuke party.

On edit: When strong, appear weak. When weak, appear strong.-Sun Tzu

...when troops are in harm's way. I don't think he is capable of anything except blind loyalty at this point. He's in the military mode.

to "Congress will not let go of Uranium issue, will investigage"!!! This will be much better than all headlines saying "Democrates push investigation"

B-)

Whoa......he's right in the THICK of the whole damned beginning of this travesty with his voter fraud stuff.

But, I have to say, Mr. Diebold speaking out against Bush IS a signal that Bush won't be fixed right into office in 2004.

And that's right.....hagel has some backing...and it might be that the repukes are deciding to let Bush, and even Cheney, take a fall BEFORE the 2004 election so they can "clean house" and run an election with a nice new clean bunch of THUGS. Hmmmmmm.

That's how I read it. Virtually an announcement of Hagel for President: A Clean House in '04 Brought to You by Diebold ... You vote, we decide.

(holds nose)
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,90140,00.html

"This is a cloud hanging over their credibility, their word," said Hagel. "They need to get that dealt with, taken care of, removed."

I was proud of Chukie! (Washes mouth with Vodka!)

there's been a "cloud" over these bastards since they stole the f***ing election.

Maybe the powers that are want Senator Diebold to run on the Repug ticket because they know he could win with a "fixed" voting system. If * ratings go down so low that his win would not be believable would it make sense to run a new ticket with Hagel on the top so if they give it to Hagel they can claim "it was two newcomers and it was a tossup"? just wondering.

I was impressed with this republican. Of course, he could just be all talk and that's it.

But imo, republicans that were very critical during Clinton's so called lie should be just as critical (or even more) with Bush and his people right now...even if bush is a republican.