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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 11:05 AM
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Gladio 101
This is nice, basic summary. There is a lot more info posted in this thread - if you missed it.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=4081103

Gladio was responsible for the Aug. 2, 1980 bombing of the Bologna train station.

Minstrel Boy has a lot of good info. And the Kissinger/Ledeen/Rove connection is interesting....


Operation Gladio

from the book The CIAs Greatest Hits

by Mark Zepezauer


The CIA was created by the National Security Act of 1947. The ink was barely dry on it before an army of spooks began marching through the law's major loophole: the CIA could "perform such other functions and duties...as the National Security Council may from time to time direct." This deliberately vague clause opened the door to a half-century of criminal activity in the name of "national security."

One of the first duties the NSC deemed necessary was the subversion of Italian democracy...in the name of democracy, of course. Italy seemed likely to elect a leftist government in the 1948 election. To make sure Italians voted instead for the candidates Washington favored-leftover brownshirt thugs from Mussolini's party and other Nazi collaborators-millions of dollars were spent on propaganda and payoffs. It was also intimated that food aid would be cut off if the election results were inconsistent with US desires.

The US got its way in 1948 without having to resort to violence but-as was discovered in 1990- the CIA had organized a secret paramilitary army in postwar Italy, with hidden stockpiles of weapons and explosives dotting the map. Called Operation Gladio (gladius is Latin for sword), the ostensible excuse for it was laughable-the threat of a Soviet invasion. But the real purpose wasn't so funny-Operation Gladio's 15,000 troops were trained to overthrow the Italian government should it stray from the straight and narrow.

Similar secret armies were formed in France, Belgium, the Netherlands and West Germany- often directed, quite naturally, by former SS officers. They didn't just wait around for the Russians to come marching in; they assembled huge arms caches (many of which remain unaccounted for), compiled blacklists of leftists and, in France, participated in plots to assassinate President DeGaulle.

Many members of Operation Gladio were also in a shadowy organization known as P-2; it too was financed by the CIA. P-2 had connections with the Vatican and the Mafia, and eventually with an international fascist umbrella organization called the World Anti-Communist League...

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/CIA%20Hits/Gladio_CIAHits.html
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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 12:38 PM
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1. some interesting quotes
"The United States is not only number one in military power but also in the effectiveness of its propaganda system."
Edward S. Herman, political economist and author, from Z magazine, September 2001, page 42

"The enormous gap between what US leaders do in the world and what Americans think their leaders are doing is one of the great propaganda accomplishments of the dominant political mythology."
Michael Parenti, author and lecturer

"Disinformation is a large part of its (CIA) covert action responsibility, and the American people are the primary target of its lies."
Ralph McGehee, former CIA intelligence analyst, author of Deadly Deceits: My 25 Years in the CIA

"We paid $3 billion for these television stations. We will decide what the news is. The news is what we tell you it is."
David Boylan, WTVT Tampa Bay, FL station manager, April 16, 1997

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media."
William Colby, former CIA director

“I can think of no faster way to unite the American people behind George W. Bush than a terrorist attack on an American target overseas. And I believe George W. Bush will quickly unite the American people through his foreign policy.” -- Henry Kissinger
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 01:36 PM
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6. a few more
"Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them, and these will continue till they are resisted with either words or blows, or with both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never has, and never will.” -Frederick Douglass


As Huey P. Long once said, "Sure we'll have fascism in America, but it'll come disguised as 100 percent Americanism."
Sigline of DUer sellitman


A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.
-- Edward R. Murrow


The American Indian tribes were tragically unable to understand the European invaders. Kurt Vonnegut described this acidly in his classic "Breakfast of Champions": "The chief weapon of the sea pirates was their capacity to astonish. No one could believe, until it was much too late, just how heartless and greedy they were." (quoted by Zan_of_Texas, http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x383284#383286 )

"Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group, of course, that believes that you can do these things. Among them are a few Texas oil millionaires, and an occasional politician or businessman from other areas. Their number is negligible and they are stupid."
--President Dwight D. Eisenhower, 1954


“A really efficient totalitarian state would be one in which the all-powerful executive of political bosses and their army of managers control a population of slaves who do not have to be coerced, because they love their servitude.” -Aldus Huxley, Brave New World


The best way to control the opposition is to lead it ourselves. -- Lenin


"No truly sophisticated proponent of repression would be stupid enough to shatter the facade of democratic institutions." - Murray B. Levin


Once agovernment is committed to the principle of silencing the voice of opposition, it has only one way to go, and that is down the path of increasingly repressive measures, until it becomes a source of terror to all its citizens and creates a country where everyone lives in fear. --Harry S. Truman

"The point of public relations slogans like "Support our troops" is that they don't mean anything... That's the whole point of good propaganda. You want to create a slogan that nobody's going to be against, and everybody's going to be for. Nobody knows what it means, because it doesn't mean anything. Its crucial value is that it diverts your attention from a question that does mean something:

Do you support our policy? That's the one you're not allowed to talk about." --Noam Chomsky

"In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell


HITLER
The victor will never be asked if he told the truth. --Adolf Hitler

"It also gives us a very special, secret pleasure to see how unaware the people around us are of what is really happening to them. " - Adolf Hitler

on THE BIG LIE:
"The size of the lie is a definite factor in causing it to be believed, because the vast masses of a nation are in the depths of their hearts more easily deceived than they are consciously and intentionally bad.

The primative simplicity of their minds renders them more easy victims of a big lie than a small one, because they often tell little lies but would be ashamed to tell big ones.

Such a form of lying would never enter their heads. They never would credit others with the possibility of such great impudence as the complete reversal of facts.

Even explanations would long leave them in doubt and hesitation, and any trifling reason would dispose them to accept a thing as true.

Something therefore always remains and sticks from the most impudent of lies, which all bodies and individuals concerned in the art of lying in this world know all too well, and therefore they stop at nothing to achieve this end." -- Adolph Hitler in "Mein Kampf".

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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 12:47 PM
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2. Nazi era quotes

"The lie can only be maintained for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of it's powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth becomes the greatest enemy of the State."
Dr. Joseph M. Goebbels, Nazi propoganda minister

"How fortunate for governments that the people they administer don't think."
Adolph Hitler, Chancellor of Germany 1933-1945

"A clique of U.S. industrialists is hell-bent to bring a fascist state to supplant our democratic government and is working closely with the fascist regime in Germany and Italy. I have had plenty of opportunity in my post in Berlin to witness how close some of our American ruling families are to the Nazi regime...Certain American industrialists had a great deal to do with bringing fascist regimes into being in both Germany and Italy. They extended aid to help Fascism occupy the seat of power, and they are helping to keep it there."
William E. Dodd, U.S. Ambassador to Germany, 1937

"I never would have agreed to the formulation of the Central Intelligence Agency back in '47, if I had known it would become the American Gestapo."
Harry S. Truman, 33rd President, 1961 source


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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 12:55 PM
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3. "List of U.S. foreign interventions since 1945"
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sleipnir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 01:00 PM
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4. But the anti-truth crowd will cry "It's Conspiracy, don't talk about this!
No, we can't begin to think that 9-11 and London are inside jobs. No, that's crazy...it's never happened before say that anti-truth people, but they don't know history.

Gladio is a historical precedent that 9-11 and London might well be CIA funded operations. To ignore this information, is to do so at our own peril.

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Algomas Donating Member (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 01:19 PM
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5. Nominated for Greatest.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 01:39 PM
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7. Your nomination was apparently not recorded...
Edited on Sat Jul-16-05 01:44 PM by Karenina
:kick:

On 2nd edit: THERE WE GO! Can we get another?
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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 01:44 PM
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9. ...
I had noticed that. I'm glad to see they are showing up. :)
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 01:43 PM
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8. Does this ever ring a bell (kicked and nominated)
Edited on Sat Jul-16-05 01:44 PM by JohnyCanuck
"The chief weapon of the sea pirates was their capacity to astonish. No one could believe, until it was much too late, just how heartless and greedy they were."
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ROH Donating Member (521 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 02:09 PM
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10. Nominated (n/t)
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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 07:40 PM
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11. Why it matters...
Edited on Sat Jul-16-05 07:48 PM by bloom
The reason that I think it matters to bring these things into people's attention is so people aren't going around hating people who are not responsible. Two days after the London bombing, the Bloomington, In Islamic Center Mosque was firebombed.

People hear the message from the "credible" Mainstream Media that there is an Al Quada link and for some people that is a reflection on all Muslims. As crazy as that is.

When people step back and think about the good possibility that we are just going to be lied to and that the CIA has had operations in the past that were devised to get people to hate various groups for their own purposes - then it's easier for people not to get pulled in to the deception.


The Muslims have become what the Jews were in Germany (or what the Soviets were in the cold war) for some people.

The Weekly Standard:
Jihad Made In Europe
From the July 25, 2005 issue: There may be more to fear from a mosque in Leeds than a madrassa in the Middle East.

"Their (Muslims) dispute with the world isn't imported from the Middle East: It is truly modern, aimed against American imperialism, capitalism, etc. In other words, they occupy the same space that the proletarian left had thirty years ago, that Action Directe had twenty years ago. . . . They exist in a militant reality abandoned by the extreme left, where the young live only to destroy the system. . . ."

(Reuel Marc Gerecht of the American Enterprise Institute quoting Olivier Roy)

or Campus-watch:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4111303

"Tariq Ramadan has accepted a post as the Henry Luce Professor at Notre Dame's Joan B. Kroc Center for International Peace Studies.

Mr. Ramadan in October published an article on an Islamic Web site, Oumma.com, singling out some of France's Jewish intellectuals for supporting the war in Iraq and thus,he said, placing the allegiances of their religion ahead of their obligation as scholars.

In it he wrote that the analysis of French Jewish intellectuals was "increasingly oriented toward a community-based concern that tends to relativize the defense of universal principles like equality and justice."

(Tariq Ramadan was subsequently denied a work visa in the US).
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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 08:15 PM
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12. ...
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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 09:59 PM
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13. The difference today
between Bush* and what has happened before - is that Bush&Co. does not have the need to hide their awful stuff. It's all out in the open and we are supposed to like it.

Their ridiculous reasons for war, their torture practices. (I guess it's all about getting troops.)

Not like Iran/Contra or the training of Nicaraguan Contras and support to military regimes in Honduras, Guatemala, Panama, and South America during the 1980s. No one expected us to be patriotic about that.

Though even recently people pretty much ignore the CIA messing with President Hugo Chávez of Venezuela or what we are doing in Haiti.

If you don't watch or listen to Democracy Now or something similar - you don't hear about it.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 06:29 AM
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15. Have some!

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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 09:44 AM
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16. That is very appropriate...
:hurts:

:yoiks:
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lostnfound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 12:01 AM
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14. kick nt
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 07:51 PM
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17. .
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 04:51 PM
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18. .
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 08:08 PM
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19. ,
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