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Catholic Sensation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 06:56 PM
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You can't be serious...
What could have become a serious debate amongst liberals about who should shoulder most of the blame for international terrorism is removed completely, while a thread on some idiot in Washington dying after being fucked by a horse is allowed to go on for 100+ posts and then is simply locked.

The poster didn't say that liberals believe that terrorism is entirely America's fault, he simply asked if it isn't. I don't know what his or her intentions were, but that shouldn't obstruct what could be good debate.
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skids Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 07:02 PM
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1. Well, if I had to guess one way or the other...
...it would be that the post was a troll.

If you want to have that debate, I would suggest posting a more neutral subject, like, "how much blame do U.S. actions share in promoting terrorism." The original subject tried to pigeonhole the question into a black-and-white mindset.
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Catholic Sensation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 07:06 PM
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4. no, it said "what if terrorism isn't our fault"
sorry, it didn't say "TERRORISM ISN'T OUR FAULT" it asked "what if"
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 07:07 PM
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5. I've posted links to this book on several occasions.... I hope it
hasn't been put on the do not read list... kidding of course.

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www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ tg/detail/-/0471265179?v=glance - 122k - Cached - Similar pages
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Catholic Sensation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 07:11 PM
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7. that's for another debate
this one is about what looks to be incredible unimagination on the part of some people on this forum.
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RoyGBiv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 07:13 PM
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8. Presumptive rhetoric ...

The poster asked a presumptive question that created a false dichotomy, as was pointed out. This is not typically how one interested in genuine debate starts the discussion. I would also note that the original poster offered no follow-ups, even to those replies that weren't entirely dismissive.
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Catholic Sensation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 07:18 PM
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10. and who gives a shit about the original poster?
if he had ulterior sinister motives, fuck him or her. the fact of the matter is there was decent debate going on, but holy shit, the op might have been a freeper!!! If the thread was locked and a reason was given, MAYBE I wouldn't be bitching and moaning, but the thread was removed, nothing was said, and what was, I thought, potentially very good debate was completely terminated.
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RoyGBiv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 07:32 PM
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14. Solution ...

Start another thread on the subject that doesn't begin the way that thread did.

You say you're not criticizing the mods, but from your comments here, I can't see how one could come to any other conclusion. As you should know, threads that are started with trolls are typically removed, regardless of what has taken place.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 07:02 PM
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2. Perhaps we could replace "terrorism" with "heroinism"..... :)
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 07:03 PM
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3. If you want a discussion on causes of terrorism, start a thread
in a non-inflammatory manner. Starting a thread criticising DU Mods decision to close a thread is a sure way to get a thread locked.
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Catholic Sensation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 07:09 PM
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6. I'm not criticising the mods
i'm criticising the fact that a stupid thread like the horsefucking one can to go on and on and on for 100+ posts, but a relatively serious one to be locked because the op's intentions could have been bad.
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Mandate My Ass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 07:17 PM
Response to Reply #6
9. You're confusing what offends you, in particular, with flamebait
As a poster said above, if you were serious about having a rational discussion on this topic you can easily start a non-inflammatory thread of your own, but you persist in criticizing rather than a pro-active approach.
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TreasonousBastard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 07:18 PM
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11. I feel your pain, but...
you have had some good advice.

Now, I'm just the scout here-- before another mod posse rides in and cleans up Dodge in this thread, I'd suggest you send your complaints to the Admins and just start another thread for discussion that won't be inflammatory.

If you haven't already, you are going to find that this place does not change human nature and horsefucking gets vastly more attention than even the most vital of real concerns, but that's just something we all have to live with.
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Catholic Sensation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 07:22 PM
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12. the point isn't that horsefucking got more attention
that much i figured from some of the very lonely people in the lounge. hell matt drudge had a link to the story on his site. the point is that the moderators let a thread which clearly violated the rules on sex talk go on for 100+ posts, yet a thread which asked if terrorism is our fault or not was eliminated in one nice stalinist move.
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TreasonousBastard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 07:24 PM
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13. Again, this is not the place to continue these complaints, and...
you can start another thread.

the Mod Squad is on its way, and if you keep it up I may be leading the charge.
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 07:55 PM
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15. Locking
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