Perhaps the GOP wants you to hate the DLC?

Divide and conquer? Stoking the flames with every departure from the hardline?

I dunno. On election day, the GOP gets in line. What do the Dems do...?

Actions speak louder than words and all one has to do is watch their actions.

That includes Hillary. Republican Lite is no alternative.

The DLC floats their own boat...I want to sink it.

I've even written Eyeben Baught and TOLD him "Senator, if I wanted a ReTHUGlican representing me, I would have voted for MARVIN SCOTT, not YOU!"...
Think I got a reply?
S'yeah, Ri-i-i-i-ight.....

well, ok

and proceeded to enable everything Reagan did, every military buildup, every intervention, every demonization of the poor, every anti-labor initiative, every tax cut.

Nothing better could happen to the Republicans than for Democrats to embrace the DLC.

It would be abject surrender.

or close enough for govt work

Here, read this, and when you get to a quote about "special interests" by Simon Rosenberg, know that he's talking about EVERY single "group" that represents the Democratic base -- African Americans and other minorities, women, unions, gays and lesbians, etc., etc., etc. Also pay attn to the funding, including Koch brothers, who are so conservative they're Dominionists (IIRC) -- that's far, far rightwing religious zealots, the ones who want "Biblical law" installed, so we can stone adulterers and juvenile delinquents to death.

How the DLC Does It, Robert Dreyfuss, TAP
http://www.prospect.org/print-friendly/print/V12/7/dreyfuss-r.html

and hwen you get finished with that, perhaps you'd be interested in some more info about the DLC:

DLC
The best way to control the opposition is to lead it ourselves. -- Lenin

How the DLC Does It, Robert Dreyfuss, TAP
http://www.prospect.org/print-friendly/print/V12/7/dreyfuss-r.html

Democrats for Wolfowitz
(see esp. Tinoire's post #20) http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1687818&mesg_id=1688529 )
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1687818&mesg_id=1687818&page=

LINKS - What every DUer and every Dem needs to know about the DLC
http://www.democraticunderground.com/cgi-bin/duforum/duboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=4443&forum=DCForumID22&archive=

Let's be REALLY honest about the DLC
http://www.democraticunderground.com/cgi-bin/duforum/duboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=23262&forum=DCForumI

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Outing the "New Democrats" -- Pukes in Progressive Clothing.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/cgi-bin/duforum/duboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=1435&forum=DCForumID34

Everyone who is a fan of the DLC, needs to read this post,
(Devils Advocate NZ's post is included)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/cgi-bin/duforum/duboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=11323&forum=DCForumID60#114

Kerry, the New Democrats, and American Military Hegemony
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=326015#326061

New Dems formed to get corporate donors, be free from party base ideology
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1346735&mesg_id=1346735&page=

Ask the questions NOW of the DLC and Clinton. Corporate funding.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=1372759#1373432

New Dems formed to get corporate donors, be free from party base ideology.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1346735&mesg_id=1346735


(OMG! The PNAC/DLC Connection!)No More Moore: DLC Joins the Witch-Hunt
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2784312
Link: http://nypress.com/17/48/news&columns/taibbi.cfm

"We've got to repudiate, you know, the most strident and insulting anti-American voices out there sometimes on our party's left... We can't have our party identified by Michael Moore and Hollywood as our cultural values."
— Al From, CEO, Democratic Leadership Council

"You know, let's let Hollywood and the Cannes Film Festival fawn all over Michael Moore. We ought to make it pretty clear that he sure doesn't speak for us when it comes to standing up for our country."
— Will Marshall, President of the Progressive Policy Institute, the think-tank of the DLC

>snip<

In addition to his duties as the president of the PPI, Marshall kept himself busy in the last few years. Among other things, he served on the board of the Committee for the Liberation of Iraq, an organization co-chaired by Joe Lieberman and John McCain whose aim was to build bipartisan support for the invasion of Iraq.

Marshall also signed, at the outset of the war, a letter issued by the Project for the New American Century (PNAC) expressing support for the invasion. Marshall signed a similar letter sent to President Bush put out by the conservative Social Democrats/USA group on Feb. 25, 2003, just before the invasion. The SD/USA letter urged Bush to commit to "maintaining substantial U.S. military forces in Iraq for as long as may be required to ensure a stable, representative regime is in place and functioning."

One of just a handful of Marshall's co-signatories on that letter was Bruce Jackson, who also happens to be the head of the PNAC (whose letter Marshall also signed) and the founder of the aforementioned Committee for the Liberation of Iraq. Jackson is not only a neo-con of high rank and one of the chief pom-pom wavers for the war effort. He was also a vice president in the weapons division of Lockheed-Martin between 1993 and 2002—meaning that he was one of the implied targets of Bowling for Columbine, which came out in Jackson's last year with the company.

Clearly, Marshall was thinking about the good of the Democratic Party, and not the integrity of his grimy little network of missile-humping cronies, when he and Al From made the curious—and curiously conspicuous—decision to denounce Moore, Hollywood and France at the DLC meeting in early November.


RIGHT WEB: http://rightweb.irc-online.org/org/ppi.php

Overview of DLC
http://rightweb.irc-online.org/ind/marshall/marshall.php

PPI
http://rightweb.irc-online.org/org/ppi.php


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WILL MARSHALL: http://rightweb.irc-online.org/ind/marshall/marshall.phpAlthough



Marshall calls himself a "centrist," he has associated himself with neoconservative organizations and their radical foreign policy agendas. At the onset of the Iraq invasion, Marshall signed statements issued by the Project for the New American Century calling for the removal of Saddam Hussein, advocating that NATO help "secure and destroy all of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction," and arguing that the invasion "can contribute decisively to the democratization of the Middle East." (7)

Marshall's credentials as a liberal hawk have been well established by his affinity for other PNAC-associated groups, including the U.S. Committee on NATO and the Committee for the Liberation of Iraq. Marshall served on the board of directors of the U.S. Committee on NATO alongside such leading neocon figures as Robert Kagan, Richard Perle, Randy Scheunemann, Paul Wolfowitz, Stephen Hadley, Peter Rodman, Jeffrey Gedmin, Gary Schmitt, and the committee's founder and president Bruce Jackson of PNAC. (8) At the request of the Bush administration, PNAC's Bruce Jackson also formed the Committee for the Liberation of Iraq, which, with DLC chairman Joseph Lieberman serving as co-chair together with John McCain, aimed to build bipartisan support for the liberation, occupation, and democratization of Iraq. Marshall, together with Robert Kerrey (who coauthored Progressive Internationalism), represented the liberal hawk wing of the Democratic Party on the committee's neocon-dominated advisory board. (9) Other advisers included James Woolsey, Elliot Cohen, Newt Gingrich, William Kristol, Jeane Kirkpatrick, Joshua Muravchik, Chris Williams, and Richard Perle.

On February 25, 2003, Marshall joined an array of neoconservatives marshaled by the Social Democrats/USA-a wellspring of neoconservative strategy-to sign a letter to President Bush calling for the invasion of Iraq. Marshall and others asked the president to "act alone if that proves necessary" and then, as a follow-up to a military-induced regime change in Iraq, to implement a democratization plan. The SD/USA letter urged the president to commit his administration to "maintaining substantial U.S. military forces in Iraq for as long as may be required to ensure a stable, representative regime is in place and functioning." Others signing the SD/USA letter included Hillel Fradkin, Rachelle Horowitz, Bruce Jackson, Penn Kemble, Robert Kagan, James Woolsey, Nina Shea, Michael Novak, Clifford May, and Ben Wattenberg. (10) (11)

The DLC cannot get Progressives to follow them by ordering them to do so or scaring Progressives by saying if you don't follow us you get the GOP. Now they float this riducous meme "The GOP doesn't want you to follow us and you are playing into their hands".

The DLC playbook reminds me of Rovian tactics. No wonder noone can tell the difference between the DLC and the GOP.

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...and to think..., I almost fell for it! :freak:

It weakens their enemy.

:hi:

Some of us prefer to think for ourself

Then there should be no problem with disavowing DLC policies which parallel the GOP's.

Democratic politicians who embrace GOP policies--particularly for the purpose of attracting large amounts of corporate money--ought not be preferred over candidates who do not.

As Harry Truman said, given the choice between a real Republican and one who pretends to be one, the voters will choose the real Republican every time. That's the problem. We don't have candidates who will stand up for ordinary people's rights, won't take corrupting money from corporations, won't run on a platform clearly distinct from that of Republicans. Won't call an illegitimate and costly war exactly what it is. Won't call the Republicans exactly what they are. Won't take a stand against the overwhelming influence multinational corporations hold in government today.

Get some candidates who can tell the truth, and Democrats will begin to win again. It's that's simple. The entire political landscape of this country has been forced steadily rightward by whom? The Republicans. The DLC received some of its money from the same right-wing sources that fund the AEI, the Heritage Foundation and so many others. Those people don't do anything that doesn't further their attempts to move the discourse rightward.

The DLC is little more than a thinly-veiled attempt to co-opt the Democratic Party, and the degree to which it has invaded the discourse indicates that it has been quite successful in doing just that.

Cheers.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...right.... :puke:

Does anyone have a link to Greg Palast writing on the subject of the wealthy taking over one party while weakening the other? It talks about a defining moment when a power company gets fined like a billion dollars and the big boys figure it will be cheaper just to take over the government. Anyway, the DLC is just about weakening any collective response by the people in direct opposition of the fascists.

Everything is by design. The media is the way the fascists want it. The police state is the way the fascists want it. The military budget and the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq are the way the fascists want it. The two-party system and the electoral college are the way the fascists want it. It is all designed to keep the people down. The trickle down bullshit is really about evaporating up.

All you have to look at is medical marijuana. It makes no difference that 80% of the people have overcome the propaganda to support it. But it makes no difference that four of five people support use of the greatest medicinal plant that man has ever known.

Anyway, does anyone know the Greg Palast work that I started out with?

Tasty!

From now on i will be supporting the DLC. Sorry, but i just can't say no to tasty sauce.

Every party has it's factions. Most people who identify as DLC vote with us most of the time. Let's remember DLC or not the Repukes will take out any Democrat they can. Does the GOP want infighting? yes they do.

You're right, they're "mostly" Democrats. I suppose we should overlook those little "speed-bumps" over such issues as drug pricing, the Iraq War, medical mary-jane, etc....

I'm still not going to play footsie with fucking Al From.

How the DLC Does It
http://www.prospect.org/print-friendly/print/V12/7/dreyfuss-r.html

Political Ideas: DINOs Outshining RINOs
http://www.davidswanson.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=263

Missing Link: How Right-Wing Neo-Cons Created `Democratic Leadership Council'
http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2003/3028neocon_dems.html

With all due respect and apologies to DLC members on DU who are really trying to help the party as a whole, I'm fed up with the DLC bigwigs who are sabotaging us on a nationwide level. Thus, I present this song for your singing pleasure:

Fuck the DLC
They wrecked our party system
They don't give a damn 'cause they're
Career politicians
They trashed Howard Dean
They cost Kerry the election
It's time we kick them out and
Take the Dems in new directions

BAYH and TAUSCHER - time to clean your fuckin' desks
LIEBERMAN and LANDRIEU - selling out has made you lame
HILLARY and BYRON - last chance to jump the ship
So CONYERS and BOXER can live in peace without these dicks

(Sung to the tune of Fuck the Middle East by S.O.D. Sing it in the car, in the shower, at your next Democratic Party meeting, or anywhere you feel like singing!)