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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 10:33 PM
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After Losing The Filibuster On SCOTUS Pick #1, Will Bush Moderate #2?
Roberts being the first pick of what will probably be 2 SCOTUS nominees.

So after Democrats lose the filibuster attempting to block Roberts, and being painted as partisan and obstructionist by the mediawhores 24/7, will Bush nominate someone more MODERATE for SCOTUS pick #2 or more RADICAL?

At this point, the more we weaken the Right by fighting their corruption (Ken Lay, Coingate, KBR in Iraq) and dirty tactics (Plame), the more leverage we gain for fight for SCOTUS pick #2.

Further, how exactly are Democrats supposed to stop a qualified nominee without the votes and the nuclear option a sure thing?
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 10:35 PM
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1. goodby Democracy
when do you propose we fight?

What is the job of the Senate confirmation hearings?

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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 10:39 PM
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3. Confirmation Hearings Are For Grilling The Opponent & Pinning Their
views to the party that nominated them.

Confirmation hearings are very useful theatrics.

They'll be the perfect opportunity to get Americans to start wondering why they don't give a shit about a woman's right to control her own body.

It will highlight the GOP's extremism as Terri Schiavo mess did.
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 10:57 PM
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9. The fight is always next year, until we lose the entire Supreme Court,
only have 10 Democrats left in Congress, and are routinely locked up for dissenting opinions.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 11:00 PM
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10. Look at 2004
when people looked at Kerry's record what did they see?

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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 11:01 PM
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11. Actually 06 Is Coming Up. To Impeach, We Need The House & Senate
we need to weaken Bush and the GOP.

This fight, if done to a filibuster/nuclear option will weaken Democrats and strengthen the fascists.
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 11:04 PM
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13. I don't think we should fight in '06.
That would WEAKEN us in '08, you see.

When you fight, you get weaker.
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kevsand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 11:12 PM
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17. LOL!
:rofl: Thank you! I've been everywhere tonight, trying to slap some sense into the demons of appeasement and collaboration. You have made the point much better than I could have ever!
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sleipnir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 10:37 PM
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2. There will be no filibuster.
Roberts IS the consensus candidate.

That's exactly how I see it and the closed door meetings prove it.

There will be some theatrics for each side's base...but he will be confirmed in a short amount of time, too. I predict 5 days of hearings and then confirmation.

Roberts isn't as bad as many believe, then again, people were terrified of the horror of Breyer, and he's now considered a moderate to slightly liberal.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 10:49 PM
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4. This is a different administration, and they know exactly where roberts is
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 10:51 PM
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6. Then it is the job of the confirmation process to learn where he is.
But I don't see how we come out of this with someone NOT a conservative.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 10:54 PM
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7. agreed
conservative is envitable, but if they let their religious or personal beliefs get in the way of interpreting law, we have a major problem

Example

Roe V Wad is Law

The voting Rights act is Law

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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 11:04 PM
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14. I agree. But Roe is precedent, not a law. A nominee is not required to
agree with every precedent.
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BillZBubb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 10:56 PM
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8. "Roberts isn't as bad as many believe"
No, he's worse. He's bad on environmental issues, corporate responsibility, abortion, civil rights, consumer protection, and presidential power grabbing. Other than that, he's a great nominee.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 11:06 PM
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15. What else would one expect from a NeoCon president? And with a Repub
msjority congress you'd better expect confirmation.

If we had the WH and Congress wouldn't we be putting a pro choice nominee in, with a good record on rights, environment and so on?
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 11:02 PM
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I totally concur.
This is not the one to fillibuster.

He doesn't seem that bad.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 10:50 PM
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5. The 2nd Round Base Closings Are To Ensure Roberts' Confirmation
The announcements were within hours of each other. The message could
not be any clearer. Vote to confirm or else. They need to win this.
If they do, they will have the momentum, the media will once again cower in fear of Karl Rove, Bush**ler can fire Fitzgerald if he tries to
indict anyone, and they will be guaranteed a favorable hearing in the
Supreme Court in the unlikely event that it comes to that.

They will go :nuke: with this if they have to, because everything
depeds on it.

We have to fight this tooth and nail. We must do it in a way that
keeps BushRoveCheney on the hook too. The Court may be making decisions
relating to national security, and breaches thereof, such as the
exposure of Valeire Plame and her entire network of WMD hunters.
The confirmation process should explore in detail the philosophy of
the nominee regarding such cases.

Roberts appears to be a sure vote to overturn Roe v Wade. That is bad
enough. Would he also overturn Griswold v Connecticut? That is next on
the Talibornagain chopping block. We need to know how he would vote on
that as well.
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The2ndWheel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 11:02 PM
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12. I think he'll go communist
Of course he'll go more radical. This administration does. not. give. a. damn. what anyone thinks about them. We keep talking about leverage, they keep doing what they want. They'll never stop, even if they lose a battle here and there. They've proved that.

They are what they said they were going to be; a corporation. A corporation may lose a case here, or some legislation there, but it just waits, and eventually buys you out.
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DistressedAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 11:08 PM
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16. After Dems Rolling Over On SCOTUS Pick #1, Will Bush Moderate #2?"
That is the real question.

How does not fighting get in a moderate pick? Tell me that and we may be able to talk.
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