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grace0418 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-21-05 12:32 PM Original message |
PROVE IT! |
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stray cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-21-05 12:34 PM Response to Original message |
1. Burden of proof in America is always on the accuser. |
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grace0418 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-21-05 12:37 PM Response to Reply #1 |
5. Like I said, I'm just speaking in a personal sense. |
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FreedomAngel82 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-21-05 12:41 PM Response to Reply #5 |
11. Exactly |
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William Seger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-21-05 05:31 PM Response to Reply #5 |
65. Just as a matter of logic... |
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Mandate My Ass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-21-05 12:39 PM Response to Reply #1 |
7. Not when it came to WMDs |
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iconoclastNYC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-21-05 01:55 PM Response to Reply #1 |
31. Who is tryign to overturn an election? |
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grace0418 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-21-05 02:05 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. Thank you. eom. |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-21-05 03:16 PM Response to Reply #1 |
44. I Disagree, It's Encumbent On The Political System To Prove It's Election |
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noiretextatique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-21-05 04:19 PM Response to Reply #1 |
56. something to remember: the precedent 2000 |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-05 04:39 AM Response to Reply #1 |
84. That used not to be the case with elections |
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napi21 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-21-05 12:35 PM Response to Original message |
2. I agree with you phylosophy, but in our system, it's always up to the |
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meegbear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-21-05 12:37 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. About to post something to that effect |
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grace0418 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-21-05 12:39 PM Response to Reply #4 |
8. Again, I'm talking about personal opinion, not court of law. |
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napi21 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-21-05 12:45 PM Response to Reply #8 |
15. But they don't have to, and they know that. |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-21-05 02:35 PM Response to Reply #8 |
39. define fair |
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kenny blankenship (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-21-05 12:50 PM Response to Reply #2 |
20. You're misapplying a principle |
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grace0418 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-21-05 01:14 PM Response to Reply #20 |
24. Thank you. |
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marions ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-21-05 02:07 PM Response to Reply #20 |
34. thanks for explanation |
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kenny blankenship (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-21-05 02:25 PM Response to Reply #34 |
37. I don't know if it's better |
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marions ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-21-05 02:37 PM Response to Reply #37 |
40. good point |
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Lars39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-21-05 12:36 PM Response to Original message |
3. Elections should be TRANSPARENTLY honest. |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-21-05 12:40 PM Response to Reply #3 |
9. ex. act. ly. |
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China_cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-21-05 12:38 PM Response to Original message |
6. See if you can ever get an answer |
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zoids (65 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-21-05 12:44 PM Response to Reply #6 |
13. I know the answer to that! |
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grace0418 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-21-05 12:45 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. LOL! |
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grrl62 (202 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-21-05 12:40 PM Response to Original message |
10. people don't want to believe they are being lied to |
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canadianbeaver (929 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-21-05 12:43 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. Ding ding ding...we have a winner.....n/t |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-21-05 12:48 PM Response to Reply #10 |
18. You got it grrl62! |
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grrl62 (202 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-21-05 12:57 PM Response to Reply #18 |
21. exactly! |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-21-05 01:29 PM Response to Reply #21 |
27. America agrees with you.. |
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marions ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-21-05 02:50 PM Response to Reply #21 |
41. I would agree |
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grace0418 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-21-05 01:06 PM Response to Reply #10 |
23. Very good point. |
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BillZBubb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-21-05 12:44 PM Response to Original message |
14. Your post seems a little disingenuous |
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grace0418 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-21-05 01:02 PM Response to Reply #14 |
22. Unclear maybe, but disingenuous? That's a bit harsh. |
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Fly by night (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-21-05 05:56 PM Response to Reply #14 |
68. Hard evidence??? Where have you been for the past nine months? |
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marions ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-21-05 11:02 PM Response to Reply #68 |
78. you summarized it well! |
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Cocoa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-21-05 12:46 PM Response to Original message |
17. the election was not completely fair |
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skids (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-21-05 12:49 PM Response to Original message |
19. Burden of proof is on the government. |
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SammyWinstonJack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-21-05 01:15 PM Response to Original message |
25. I say , prove it wasn't stolen! |
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Norquist Nemesis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-21-05 01:17 PM Response to Original message |
26. You can't prove a negative |
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Griffy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-05 02:13 AM Response to Reply #26 |
81. You COULD prove who won, IF there were ballots to recount.. THATS the prob |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-21-05 01:31 PM Response to Original message |
28. Believe it all you want |
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grace0418 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-21-05 02:13 PM Response to Reply #28 |
35. Why? Explain why the idea is so outrageous. |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-21-05 02:22 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. Because there is NO EVIUDENCE |
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marions ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-21-05 03:14 PM Response to Reply #36 |
42. we don't have a system that |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-21-05 03:17 PM Response to Reply #42 |
46. Sure we do |
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marions ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-21-05 03:47 PM Response to Reply #46 |
51. read my post 38... |
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grace0418 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-21-05 03:14 PM Response to Reply #36 |
43. You didn't read my question or my OP very carefully. |
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noiretextatique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-21-05 04:24 PM Response to Reply #36 |
58. what about 2000? |
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Fly by night (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-21-05 08:19 PM Response to Reply #36 |
76. There may not be any "eviudence", but there's a shitload of evidence. |
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helderheid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-21-05 01:32 PM Response to Original message |
29. Recommended!!!!! |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-21-05 01:45 PM Response to Original message |
30. Most presidential elections are "rigged", "unfair", etc. |
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grace0418 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-21-05 02:04 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. ANOTHER person calling it blather, claptrap, tinfoil hat garbage, |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-21-05 03:17 PM Response to Reply #32 |
45. OK. Where are the indictments, trials, convictions? |
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grace0418 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-21-05 03:26 PM Response to Reply #45 |
47. I guess I'll stop asking you the question because you don't |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-21-05 03:33 PM Response to Reply #47 |
49. OK. I'll rephrase the answer. |
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grace0418 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-21-05 03:53 PM Response to Reply #49 |
52. If I dare? |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-21-05 05:00 PM Response to Reply #52 |
60. Well, we agree..sort of. |
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grace0418 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-21-05 05:12 PM Response to Reply #60 |
63. Thank you. That's all I was asking. |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-21-05 06:06 PM Response to Reply #49 |
70. "If there was, the perpetrators will be in jail" |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-21-05 07:22 PM Response to Reply #70 |
73. How do you KNOW better? |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-21-05 07:55 PM Response to Reply #73 |
75. Have you NEVER seen a criminal, or groups of criminals... |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-05 12:46 AM Response to Reply #75 |
80. So, who's stopping you? |
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marions ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-21-05 03:28 PM Response to Reply #45 |
48. LOL OMG |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-21-05 03:36 PM Response to Reply #48 |
50. Yes, as a matter of fact I do think the legal system can deal with it. |
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marions ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-21-05 04:05 PM Response to Reply #50 |
53. 1. read the last paragraph |
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eomer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-21-05 05:45 PM Response to Reply #50 |
66. Here is some evidence. |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-21-05 07:40 PM Response to Reply #66 |
74. We just went through a similar thing here in Washington. |
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eomer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-05 05:57 AM Response to Reply #74 |
85. From what I remember about the Washington governor recount... |
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marions ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-05 12:06 AM Response to Reply #66 |
79. thanks |
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Fly by night (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-05 07:04 AM Response to Reply #45 |
87. By your logic, no lynchings occurred in the South prior to the 60s. |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-05 05:57 AM Response to Reply #30 |
86. "pretty close to what the majority of the people voted for" |
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marions ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-21-05 02:25 PM Response to Original message |
38. Actually I have found conservatives |
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grace0418 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-21-05 04:08 PM Response to Reply #38 |
54. Great article. |
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marions ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-21-05 04:22 PM Response to Reply #54 |
57. here's the 1st half of the article... |
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Tactical Progressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-21-05 04:18 PM Response to Original message |
55. Of course they stole the 2004 election |
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grace0418 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-21-05 04:57 PM Response to Reply #55 |
59. Thank you. Nicely stated. Notice that I still can't get |
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rniel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-21-05 06:01 PM Response to Reply #55 |
69. When I see |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-21-05 06:37 PM Response to Reply #55 |
72. I'm not sure that a Democratic Majority would do it. |
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Swamp Rat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-21-05 05:03 PM Response to Original message |
61. LOVE IT! |
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ArkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-21-05 05:09 PM Response to Original message |
62. I'll guarantee you this, Kerry won the election in a personal |
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Pobeka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-21-05 05:20 PM Response to Original message |
64. You can't prove a positive with our election system. |
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halsaxby (94 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-21-05 05:45 PM Response to Original message |
67. Diebold Fishiness.... |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-21-05 06:12 PM Response to Original message |
71. I don't need to "PROVE IT" to state my opinion. |
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woldnewton (402 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-21-05 08:56 PM Response to Original message |
77. I am totally on your side, grace |
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farmboxer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-05 02:49 AM Response to Reply #77 |
82. The Judicial Coup In 2000, Republican Manufactured And |
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Wizard777 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-05 03:09 AM Response to Original message |
83. Greased Pig vs. Shaved Chimp. |
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grace0418 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-05 12:30 PM Response to Original message |
88. THANKS EVERYONE! I guess what I'm getting at in my own, clumsy |
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