Bush Is Toast, Bush Is History, Stick A Fork In Him. WRONG

It's driving me crazy. I can't believe people are so naive. It's fourteen months before the election. Anything could happen. Americans may not be happy with bush's performance right now, but they still support the war in Iraq and they like him. They like him a lot.
Check out the polls. Assuming he's done is simply wishful thinking not unlike the freepers' assumption that bush will win in a landslide.

And here's a cautionary tale, and reputedly a true story.

When Kennedy won in 1960 he took a phone call from Governor Pat Brown.
Brown congratulated Kennedy, saying something to this effect:
"Well, Mr. President, I knocked Nixon out and you finished him off"
To which Kennedy replied:
"Yea, but someone forgot to stick a stake through his heart."

The above account may or may not be factual, but it certainly contained truth.

a little optimism is fine, especially given the machine we're up against.

but it's WAY to soon to get complacent. just remember that bush WILL pick up votes during the campaign. why? because he will outspend the democrats by an insane amount. he can't help but pick up some votes.

we must have a BIG, BIG lead going into the bush-spending phase of the campaign. otherwise WE'RE toast.

What are Bush's accomplishments? What will he run on? Lost jobs, dead soldiers, no direction for the country, no clues about improving the economy.

How will he respond to that tried and true question... "Are you better off today than you were four years ago?"

a dem couldn't win, I simply remarked that the assumption that bush is done, is a dangerous one, and I stand by that.

He has vulnerabilities. If we exploit those vulnerabilities, we can win, but winning is far from guaranteed. Complacency will kill us.

History has demonstrated that the American electorate is hardly logical-see California recall election and Arnold for more info.:hippie:

at this time during his first admin.

Is that true? What happened to turn that around? The assassination attempt?

He is a loser and he is fullfilling his own "internalized" prophecy.

It's too bad for us * had to do it on the world's stage. What a Pathetic little man, with a pathetic, small minded, circle of friends.

I for one, will enjoy the demise of this cabal.

this time around. It's going to be more difficult for BushCo to pull off another theft the way they did in 2000 if enough of us are scrutinizing the next election.

It's not a matter this time of hoping some great "savior" candidate will come to our rescue and fight for us; we must have a strong candidate backed by an even stronger, watchful electorate.

Let the party go to those corp and that will stop. Will the gov. turn down the percent the big corp want to buy up, now? I do belive we have pure slime in action now and it will be a job to beat him. The good part is I think some people are starting to see things. He, Bush, is tearing the country apart.

reason to have hope. Six months ago, it not only looked like Bush would be re-elected, it looked like the neo-cons would rule for decades. They still may, but we have a real opportunity to take back the presidency and hopefully the Congress, and stave off the utter ruin BushCo has us speeding headlong toward.

The scary thing to me is that even through all of the obvious lies and the wanton destruction of the economy, the environment, and so on, and the proven lies about the war, he's still within margin of error (or less) of beating anyone on the Democratic side. The collective ignorance and/or apathy of the American people is apalling.

Had Bush not made war he would be 70% today. What a fool!!! He thought war was The BIG DEAL and it boomeranged on him.

The events in TX and CA and CO seem to be his last gasp. Be wary!

Many believe a terror attack can save him but I doubt it. It could only reveal more of the fraud.
Bush will find any vicious little ways to defeat Democrats.

One thing is for sure,if a Dem is elected presidant without changes in the Congress,impeachment will be within 6 monthes.

Had Bush not made war he would be where he is now - in the 40's. If not for 9/11 I do not think he would ever have been higher than the 50's. The crappy economy and loss of jobs would have been the dominant issues.

All Bush has to run on are his public image and his credibility. He's accomplished nada.

In other recent threads on this forum, several of us postulated that there is a hard core of Bush support that the Shrub won't be able to shake off no matter what he does. These people will believe Bush is god even if they caught him drowning puppies in his bath water. But this hard core is not a majority; consensus of forum participants puts them at around 30 to 40 percent of voters. There are about 35-40 percent of voters who can be counted on to support the Democratic ticket, whatever it is. So there's about a quarter of the voting public up for grabs, and I think Shrub is gonna lose these people.

Why: The middle class is hurting economically and feeling it more and more. This is not going to change anytime soon.

Jobs are not going to come back anytime soon, especially manufacturing and tech jobs. This is significant because blue collar workers and young techies were among those fooled by Bush in large numbers last election.

The price of oil will go up in the next few months, not down, thanks to Opec. Even the clueless pay attention to gas pump prices.

There will be no more fun little wars to watch on television. Iraq certainly isn't fun any more, and no way will Shrub get appropriations to invade Iran or Syria.

Bush is rapidly losing the military vote as well as the parents-of-soldiers vote.

The "terror alert" factor is losing its punch; you can only cry wolf so many times.

Another terrorist attack on the U.S. (Buddha forbid!) would hurt Bush more than help him, because it would reveal that all his brave talk never translated into action.

I think that if Karl Rove had any new tricks up his sleeve he'd be trotting them out now.

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I like that we can maintain our sense of humor in the face of such trepidation.


B-)

... A significant number of people in my office are seemingly swinging to the right. I'm seeing stupid assed "Ahnold" stickers and an increase in support for finishing the effort in Iraq.

... Grrrrrrrrr

Bush will win . . . they will simply alter the vote counts in enough districts to carry enough states to get enough electoral votes . . . and with no paper trail or checks of any kind on the system, there will be no way to challenge the figures . . . case closed, Bush wins . . .

UNLESS we can stop auditless computerized voting . . . doesn't look like that will happen, though . . . despite clear and convincing evidence that the system can be easily manipulated, the Democrats don't seem to care . . . I fail to comprehend why the Dems are not screaming and yelling about this issue and demanding that the necessary checks and balances be implemented . . .

and even they were questioning whether Bush can be re-elected. That's not to say they won't vote for him, but they are disgusted with "the mess he's gotten us into". These guys are born and bred republicans so any criticism is appreciated by this lonely dem.

The Dems are now pretty solidly and permanently peeling off from support. Young people, even men are taking another look.

I think we have to go after his character hard. Apparently, the majority of people still think he's a nice guy . . . and strong. (???!!) As long as personal favorability is there, he has a chance of winning undecideds and leaners back. I want a-ha moments--people suddenly seeing through the jack-ass, and support sliding away permanently. A total discrediting.

is what concerns me most about 2004. The vile regime will do whatever it takes to keep chimpy in the White House. They stole the 2000 election and undoubtedly will try the same thing again in 2004.

by mistake. It was interesting, though. There's a photo of him in a cowboy hat, looking noble. There's also a big attention-getting banner up at the top that says, "Job 1 is to protect the American people".

Then, around the middle of the web page is a woman who declares, "Bush is the best at creating jobs". She looks happy, meaning she has faith in her guy to make sure there are jobs.

I would say these will be the 2 biggest issues of his re-election campaign. 1: personal security of Americans, and 2: jobs.

The issue of jobs is probably the most vulnerabe thing for him. When people don't have a job, they don't have enough to eat and their house is up for foreclosure, their car has been repossessed, you better believe they're going to take another, hard look at him.

It looks like Howard Dean is going to win the nomination and much as I like him I am coming to the conclusion that he cannot win. I've been doing a lot of research on him because he's the front runner and it scares me.

It seems like just about every expert and pundit is saying that he can't win. When one or two say it - you can ignore it - but when just about ALL of them say it - right AND left I begin to worry.

He has made so many missteps and gaffes - both in this election AND in his past in Vermont. A LOT of things are going to come back to haunt him when he runs against Bush.

People cannot get over the "gay unions" thing, I don't know if he can get rid of the label "Vermont Liberal" and "soft on defense."

Ironically - the only hope he has is the fact that he has a LOT of "right-leaning" views on Gun Control, the Environment (pro-business vs. enviornmentalists, The Kyoto Treaty (which he's flip-flopped on), the Death Penalty, Medical Marijuana, the Middle East and many Republicans like his stance on those issues.

Brown didn't defeat Nixon until 1962.

What planet do you live on? He loved by a a relatively few ignorant, pathetic souls. Eeven the top 1% and the conservatives can't stand him. He is the most hated president we have ever had.

The whole world hates his guts.

I wouldn't get complacent THIS early in the game. The folks who are on the alert here are probably the most correct. Don't, for ONE MINUTE, forget that these people (the Rovian rethugs) will stop at NOTHING to win. Winning is EVERYTHING. There's nothing they won't stoop to. So WE HAVE TO BE ON OUR GUARD. And we HAVE TO KEEP WORKING!!!

Don't give up. It's like an onion - slowly peeling away layer by layer. He's weakened and compromised now. The trend is against him but, so far, not by enough. And they control all the marbles with voting mechanisms. EXCEPT - they can no longer do so in the dark. More people, granted, not enough there, either, are wising up to the Diebold mess, and it's not going to go away. The economic statistics aren't going to get much better. I even heard one analyst on TV the other night pointing out that yes - the economy can pick up a little, but if people don't have jobs, that won't mean squat. And the war - well, we all know what's going on there and it AIN'T in bush's favor!

We ABSOLUTELY MUST keep the pressure on! Now is NO time to become complacent! Figure it this way: THEY certainly aren't letting themselves become complacent, and in some ways, the numbers are still in THEIR corner.

It doesn't matter how much his credibility has been hurt by that time-- unless something like Cheney's Energygate actually bears fruit.

Basic psychology will boost him through the stratosphere:

Terrorist attack will bring fear and uncertainty.

People in this frame of mind will actively look for leadership.

They will look for leadership in familar places, like the President.

Nominal leader Bush will give brave speech, telling everyone he
will protect them.

His polling numbers return to the stratosphere.

This is hard to beat. I'm not sure that even a general as nominee can beat this.

They were the more vocal ones who, despite all of the negative press, still supported him. They now realize that he let them down. He made fools of them.

Bush will lack much energy in his 2004 campaign because there is no longer a wide "integrity" contrast between he and Clinton .

DU was completely giddy with how well 2002 would go. Then when it crashed everyone was left depressed and wondering why.