Will another "incident" on American soil undo everything?

Between Memogate, Treasongate, Torturegate and the innumerable other scandals this administration is embroiled in, they could REALLY use another "event."

My question is, do you think it would be enough to save them?

Would **'s approval shoot back up to 90%?

Would people tolerate their children being drafted to go to Iran in the name of "national security" ?

Would everyone start waving the flag, singing "God Bless America" and submitting proudly to bodily searches to "keep the terra-ists at bay?"

OR, are we at the point now where not even more LIHOP can save these cretins? The point where, if something were to happen, the administration would be rightfully blamed for not preventing it like they said they would?

Never underestimate the evil of these people. All the progress we've made towards bringing them down could be wiped out by them simply allowing people to die.

Scary stuff.
What do YOU think would happen in the event of another mass attack?

they will prevent a dirty bomb from going off just in the nick of time

since he's "not keeping us safe"

it will be the end of this administration IMO

But the right will always use the excuse of "Its the liberals fault, for not supporting Bush"

Of "We must rally 'round the War President to keep us safe..." and any disagreement with that meme will be Swift Boated or Wilsoned.

to find out.......

If it was something along the lines of 9-11 he'd be fucked.

Before Iraq they were playing with house money. After Iraq they are playing on their own dime.

.. their government is not keeping their promise to keep them safe and begin to see through the smoke and mirrors. LIHOP/MIHOP would be very dangerous politically for the cabal and the bananna re :puke: 's.

I've been saying it for years now. This is what they are gearing up for -- an excuse to use their tactical nukes to show the world that THEY CAN GET AWAY WITH NUCLEAR ASSAULT and the American people will let them.

Will we let them?

The Iraq war is losing support. People are losing their jobs. People supposedly voted for * because he would keep us safe. Another attack would make many more people start to question what is going on with the cretins in charge.

out of fear until they realized that "we are fighting them over there so we don't have to fight them over here" and then they will have their :wtf: moment, years too late of course but it would come to them. But then maybe not. Who knows? I have given up trying to predict what people who have given up their ability to think critically would do.

I believe our (small) coalition of brave congress critters (Boxer, Conyers and the others who are holding these meetings "off the record" trying to save our country) will shout from the highest mountain who is responsible. People WILL take to the streets--of course, it may only be us Democrats, but people will be marching.
This house of cards is going to take the turning of ONE person.
What is it going to take to turn that ONE person?
IF we were to have another "event", it would have to make 911 look like child's play to get the attention they are seeking.
There is always the possibility that ONE person will lose someone near and dear to them, or that they grow a conscience, or the kool-aid will wear off.
Remember..it is only gonna take ONE person to pull this administration to its knees. Let's just pray it happens soon.

Cheney? No. Condi? No. ETC. These people are sociopaths, the whole bunch.

All I can speak for is how I will react, which will be very different from 9/11.

I will continue to speak my mind as it concerns this Administration, and I will say "I told you so" to all the little minions who voted him back in in 2004. I'll especially save my most venomous vitriol for those bourgeoisie "security moms" who voted Bush because he made them feel protected.

It may get me punched in the face by some Freeper, but that will only strengthen my resolve.

Executive Orders have been signed and updated...FEMA currently maintains 800 prison camps,staffed and waiting for inmates.Would the bush crime family attack America again? I say yes,...The agenda is not going according to plans,with that damn Downing Street memo and Wilson not supporting our lies,Ms. Plames name now public knowledge,bush-cheney-rove-libby-rice-bolton-fleischer-tenet-miller-cooper and nofacs....I see an attack coming soon,this yr. maybe a "BLACKOUT" riots in the streets,FEMA...hmmm one wonders

I haven't heard a thing about this. I know the crazy right occasionally talks about FEMA having plans for gulags, but this is new.

What's the deal with it?

--p!

Google FEMA-prison camps....the 1st story from portland/indymedia on google's page will open youe eyes..Its scary to think bsuh might allow us to be attacked again....anyway try google, one day i'll learn how to post links

my FEMA prison stories..my pc skills are young but growing.I hope to learn cut,copy and paste,also linking stories i find on the internet.This bush crime family has more damage to do to America,I sson see a dividing line in America,"your with us,or you go to jail" Patriot Act,Real ID Act,FEMA prison camps,i live not in fear of terrorists but from my own government...wow..
again thanks to you..

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Instead of 3000 people, they would have to go for a minimum of 10,000.

A small nuclear device -- not a "dirty bomb", but an actual fission bomb with a yield of 2-20 kT -- would produce plenty of fear, dread, and drama on the cable networks. Millions of inexpensive, made-in-China, American flags would be flown for months, and pictures of weeping eagles would adorn every other website's front page.

A series of attacks on the electrical grid or the Internet(s) would also drive the message home.

But whatever form the next attack takes, if it's a MIHOP or LIHOP job, it will have to outdo the 9-11 disaster by at least an order of magnitude.

--p!

I really hate to think or say this.

However, it makes sense--IF BushCo is evil enough to engage in MIHOP or LIHOP.

If they are that evil--then I'd expect another attack in the near future.

There are two scenarios here for BushCo:
First scenario---Go down in total flames, in a scandal more far-reaching and worse than Watergate. Be humiliated, hated and watch the Republican's chances for 06 and 08 eroded to dust. This administration understands very well that they will not survive this scandal. They also understand what this means for the future of Republicans--and especially the neocons. They are done for AT THE VERY LEAST--a decade. Possibly, the neocons vile fantasy of world domination is kaput forever--because they will all be exposed for the lying cretins they are. It will be a looooong time before any conservative is in the White House again.
Second scenario--Another terrorist attack which frightens the sheep, convinces them to go to war with Iran (thus propagating the neocon agenda) and enables the neocons to eliminate more of our civil liberties and privacy. Junior's polls will inevitably go up--because terrorism is the ONLY issue that more than half of the country approves of his handling. They ride the wave of a terrified nation into the 06/08 elections. Plus, the Plame, Downing Street and Iraq-war failures would mean absolutely nothing--because questioning this administration about scandals--after being attacked--would seem petty, trite and unAmerican.

GEE. It's not too difficult to figure out which scenario they'd select.

it would be sad that scores of people have to die again for people to begin to think again.

As a person who sits on the liberal side of the fence on a majority of issues, I find it surprising that we've yet to be attacked post 911. It's simply logical that we will, so we should expect it. Whether we believe that we're being inundated by fear by the current administration as a means to exploit this inevitability for power purposes, or whether we've become desensitized by innumerable media outlets and/or infomania in a variety of forms, who knows...
The bottom line is that both are true...the world has changed so damn much in the last 15 years that any comparison to times before (ie; WWI, WWII and in between) are irrelevant. These are new times that require new action. War, death, and violence have always been a part of every society (and will continue to be so, to varying degrees and by various means). It's natural to become desensitized and it's natural to want to hate those responsible for terrorist attacks, and by association, those who bear resemblance by origin, race or religion. It's not necessarily right, but it's totally understandable. As an American who has never witnessed a suicide bombing (save for the obvious, 911), I can only imagine what those in Iraq, Iran, Israel, Pakistan, and now, London, England, deal with on a daily basis.
...It's merely a matter of time before us in the USA feel it again...who knows how we'll deal with it.

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

I think they'd allow it to happen in hopes that it would drive up support for their policies. Unfortunately, it would probably work in buttressing support for their weakening position.

If and when that happens, it is up to us to point out that giving more power to these people is NOT a good idea, as even with the excesses they have already been granted they were not able to stop an attack.

Sadly, I'm afraid most won't listen. The right has become quite adept at labeling those that question government policies "unpatriotic" (funny, I was under the impression that patriotism in this country has always been about a willingness to question what our "representatives" are doing... my bad, I suppose).

I tend to agree with the folks who are saying that they've already played that card...but we've overestimated the sheeple before...

it`s his baby now

No need to do away with Bush supporters, right?

Odd that the people who have little risk of being attacked (i.e. red-staters) are the ones who are most afraid, isn't it?

That you cannot quell this crap.
I think it could backfire with all but the most paranoid, non-thinkers out there.

Why Iraq Has Made Us Less Safe.

If that's any indication of how such an event would be received if it happened stateside, then I'd say Bush would not get a bump. I think people would be angry that he failed again, and there'd be alot of talk about how many terrorists his little land grab is creating.

With Dubya's approval ratings as low as they are right now, I doubt it would send them up to the 90's.

Even if it did happen, people wouldn't be that surprised because he didn't make things any safer.

well, they could, but what I'm saying is the people's reaction would be too unpredictable to try it. Some people might rally back to salute the flag, but it's also very likely people could march on Washington and demand his resignation - and not just Moveon.org types. IMO, if another 9/11 happens, that would say very clearly to me that his approach is not working.

buzzflash has a rundown.

They're sure to target Democratic districts in swing states. State-sponsored terrorism blamed on some threat or other is the "standard tactic" for shifting politics to the right. Then comes martial law, and with the Democrats decimated and the freepers/Rethugs whipped up into mass hysteria the remaining "dissenters" (20 million or fewer) can be dumped into slave labor camps until they die from starvation or overwork.

This is PNAC's plan for "America's Global Dominance," coming soon to a blue state near you.

Were this administration to have participated in a MIHOP scheme with 9/11, and intended to orchestrate yet another attack in order to caffeinate lagging public approval, what would be the potential gain of enduring scandal after scandal, disgrace after disgrace, rather than simply engaging the contingency plan and committing all Americans to a prison without walls under Martial Law?

To recall that famous Frank Zappa quote, the curtains have not been pulled back entirely, yet. We still live under a whimsical, Disney illusion that direct participation affects the big picture; that we subsist within a painstakingly preserved, antique representative democracy. This is certainly not the case, but it is also not the case that all Americans do not have certain expectations of their government; that there is no common threshhold of moral consensus below which no presidency can sink without being exposed, ridiculed and destroyed.

9/11 impacted the Americans of September 11, 2001. The Americans of July 2005 are much more engaged and informed than their previous selves, and it would be a fool's gamble to assume that "another 9/11" would bear the intended results of the malefactors behind it.

I do not expect Bush to preside over the entire undoing of the U.S. Constitution - although he has done much to undermine it for political gain - but I believe that, without radical change and direct action, our greater path will continue its arc towards totalitarianism.

if they want to impose martial law and completely declaw the left, what better way than to turn neighbor against neighbor, pin it on the left, democrats, whatever, they already call us terrorists, what if they orchestrated something to make it look like the left attacked America? And then they round us all up, one by one. That's my nightmare.

Sadly, I think another attack will happen - in the US. It seems right now "they" are taking outour allies (GB, Spain) setting the stage for the US to stand alone in its conquering of Iraq. Hearts and minds my ass.

I am a New Yorker and I carry my flashlight in my purse every day and have my running shoes waiting in my office. My family worries about me living here. I do too. I love this city but right now I'm not exactly prepared to die in a subway explosion. So I viewed the searches today with mixed views - yeah, probably a good idea vs. where the f is my fourth amendment right. I am scared about where my country is heading.

Anyway, I don't think another attack is going to help Bush. After all - hasn't he been saying we are safer?

A person intent on blowing up a bunch of people in the subway might just push the button if approached by the police. I don't think that this bag searching is a workable solution. It's a feel good measure.

Another attack would bring Martial Law. Do doubt in my mind about that.

If someone is intent on detonating a bomb, nothing is going to stop that. No amount of "searches" or whatever. So, yes, I agree

while claiming to be protecting New Yorkers have for years salivated at the prospect of searching people without probable cause,now they have "Carte Blanc" to stop and search anyone who appears "suspicious" i.e. "if someone is sweating in an air-conditioned subway car"..give me a break.NYPD is now assuming anyone/everyone could be a bomber,so lets frisk them..thousands of nyc residents smoke weed,carry a knife or may be minding their own business.

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

For the welcome fellow new "yawker".

To answer the question posted by another....LIHOP means Let It Happen On Purpose. (I think - the On Purpose part I'm not so sure about) and MIHOP = Made It Happen ...

and that's not going to fly with the "real powers that be". It also would not in the long run be beneficial to this administration. They've already raped the US treasury with the war in Iraq. The right wing zealots can rationalize just about any sleaze this administration perpetrates, but don't mess with their pocketbooks. The economy, the dollar, the housing market and the stock market are too fragile to survive another catastrophe. Not to mention this would cause the cost of oil to skyrocket.

Support for Bush would dry up faster than raindrops in the Arizona desert should another major attack on US soil occur. In other words, this cabal has run out of places to hide. I think all we have to do now is sit back, be patient and wait for the "worm to make it's final turn".

Welcome to DU!

And Thanks for the welcome. I've been reading the boards for a couple of years and really like the type of open discourse that occurs on DU. Unfortunately I don't have much time to post due to my job.

Throw in a chorus of "God Bless America", a bunch of generals in their cammies, a raft of talking heads telling us about the "menace", the usual posturing of the politicians, and voila! you have a "united" 'Murka, ready to bomb, invade, kill, torture, lock up dissidents, and "fight evil".

"No one ever went broke underestimating the stupidity of the American people." - H.L. Mencken

With the media spewing propoganda 24/7, the sheeple would enthusiastically unite behind the regime.

"Oh, that is all well and good, but, voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country." - Hermann Goering

And, the politicians, worldwide, know it. They've been suckering them since Cain whacked Abel - undoubtedly a "preventative strike".

WE don't learn from our mistakes because it's someone elses fault.

Your post about choruses of God Bless America, etc. is right on. I don't want to believe the American people are stupid (I have a hard time with this after the election). But we are a sentimental people - ready to be taken in by the lastest cheesy catchphrase. I believe that people just do not THINK. Like if they actually sat down and researched facts, they wouldn't be so easily swayed by bs in a pretty package. It's like connecting dots, that easy. But people don't THINK--they are lazy and get swept in by nationalistic gestures etc. It is easier to just "have faith" and "believe" than it is to do your homework on what your own country is up to.

by ideology, and while reprehensible, they will strike again.

Whether this is MIHOP/LIHOP is yet to be seen. In any case, it will be a 'surprise', and in a place where people didn't think of before. The terrorists are horrendous and repulsive, but they are not stupid, they learn.

We will go through another period of Muslim bashing, and the #'s that actually believe terrorism is a means to and end are minuscule in comparison to the Muslim population as a whole, all will be suspect.

If there were a way to educate the more violent Mullahs as to different tactics, I'd be all for it...but that ain't gonna happen. As long as we have a presence in the Middle East, we will be targets. If bush had brains, he'd have made sure bin-Laden was taken out within the first week of the Afghan offensive, and then left the area. It would have shown we were serious, now we look like bumbling idiots in a world divided.

sorry, but I can't even find the meaning on net lingo.

MIHOP: made it (9/11) happen on purpose
LIHOP: let it happen on purpose

I think that the New York City "bag check" will be all about profiling racially. To test this, I took the subway this morning carrying my stinky gym clothes in a backpack. I am a white female. I walked past three cops who did not search me. I will continue to test this, because I believe I will not have to endure the searches because I am not identifiably muslim.

I will be interested to read the reasoning of the court that decides the first lawsuit to come out of these searches. Of course, the outcome is predictable.

We'll look to our leaders to protect us and they'll respond with some kneejerk reaction. The Majority will fall inline because they are afraid. The Republicans will run away with the country.

We need a Democrat President that looks like a hawk and can set things straight in Iraq and elsewhere.

Wesly Clark in 2008?

And the general public, twice the cretinous content, will likely believe it all too. :eyes:

That's what the media always says.

this administration is too inept to do anything to protect us as a country. Just look at all the holes in "Homeland Security"--they're big enough to drive a freight train through.

Saying that, and living in the middle of the country, I'm more likely to believe that if something does happen, it will be more along the lines of a Tim McVeigh-style attack. It seems like there are more home-bred wackos around than ever before, and I'm sure they're arming themselves for some type of situation.

Whatever might happen, I'm sure it would be enough to drive this country totally batshit. Remember how the mood was after 9/11? Multiply that about a thousand fold, and you'll have an idea of how things would be. I think those people who don't support the administration would be in grave physical danger because the Rs will go totally nuts and think everything is a threat.

Now, I think I'll go put together my own little survival kit . . . . :yoiks:

I just "feel" that things are going downhill for *, ....
snowballing out of control.

24/7 media feed of the death and destruction. Estimated fatalities, one half million.

They will put the US on a total military footing.

They will have a mandatory conscription for both men and women.

No opposition or dissent will be allowed. Anyone attempting will be arrested.

Elections will be suspended until further notice.

Edit: The response will be nuclear. The entire world will cringe in terror OF US.

If all those chickenhawk,armchair warriors actually were forced to go to Iran or wherever and walk it like they talk it would we suddenly hear them change their tune? Wouldnt surprise me.

Thats why 06' is so crucial to putting the brakes on this war machine.We need a counterweight to these neocons before its too late.

I should add that I dont think "Al Quaeda" will try anything unless they are able to do something as dramatic as 9/11.Thats why we havent been hit IMO.

Their attacks against the U.S. here and abroad have for the most part been progressively worse and they are waiting for the right opportunity.

All those chemical plants that this administration doesnt see fit to properly secure would be an inviting target.Thats a LIHOP in the making right there.

I don't think terrorists want to do anything that would hurt Bush. He has been too good for them.