I figured out what is bothering me about the London shooting

It's been bothering me all day and I've read both sides of the argument.

Here's what bothers me:

This is another case of pre-emptive strike against what someone MIGHT do.

My same problem with the war in Iraq.

Absolutely. Fear trumps justice, again.

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But I can even understand the temptation.

but you can also understand why it's wrong. Why are there so many people in the world who don't get it? Is this a genetic deficiency? :crazy:

That's another reason why I wont carry a gun. I dont want to kill someone accidently. Not I am pro second ammendment I am just saying I am personally against them.

In particular the second wave? Sounds too suspicious to me. They could pull the first one off, but the second series they were totally bumbling idiots?

Sinking polls on BOTH sides of the pond? All of the shit hitting the fan here on the local front? Call me a doubting Thomasina, but something is rotten in Denmark(London/DC).

Multicolored smoke, I mean it seemed more like a copy cat of the japanese subway scare awhile back. Maybe Bushco wanted to raise w's numbers for a day?

but I do agree with Scotland Yard. This is a tragedy.

for the man's death?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4711021.stm

They may as well blame terrorists for the torture at Abu Ghraib and Gitmo by that logic.

People CHOOSE to ALLOW fear to dominate their actions. People CHOOSE to ALLOW hate and fear to be their guide. People CHOOSE to rationalize away murder in the name of national security.

If you choose to allow justice to be over-ruled by fear...then YOU made that choice. No one made it for you...YOU did it.

Don't use the crimes of a terrorist to excuse your own criminal behavior. Don't rationalize away abandoning due process.

Much like Bush Inc has dishonored the deaths of those on September 11th...the UK is well on it's way to dishonoring those who died in their bombings.


You don't give up liberty....when you do, the terrorists have already won.

Ken Livingstone blamed the 7/7 attacks on the West's flawed foreign policy:

"We created these people. We built them up. We funded them."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/07/20/nblame120.xml&sSheet=/news/2005/07/20/ixnewstop.html

that the "race war" is included in the PNAC "white paper?"

I always thought it was a given that race was a driving force in all dreams of imperialism.

Das stimmt.

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He's probably under a lot of pressure to lash out against terrorists, at least for the short term.

Londoners are, as many New Yorkers were after 9/11, not in a particularly analytical mood.

Do the police think that an "oops" or "tragic mistake" is supposed to somehow do what exactly? bring him back to life? Or somehow are we supposed to believe that because the cops meant well it was all okay?

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what was it the was it the wise old wizard Gandalf said regarding Gollum? "Deserves death? I dare say he does. And some that die deserve life, can you give them that?" (paraphrasing from memory there)

They had their hands on him - why not arrest him and see what he knows as opposed to putting five bullets in his head at close range?

of a police state.

fear+deadly force=atrocity

Why did he hop over the turnstyle? What a stupid, stupid mistake that was.

(conservative figure...) Bunch of white guys take off after you? Fight or flight response? The MISTAKE was being UNABLE to distinguish the difference between an "Asian" and a Brazilian.

a mere turnstile wouldn't cause me to stop and surrender. I doubt it would deter you either.