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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-05 11:14 PM
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They Hate Us for our NAZIs . . . (Graphic Warning)
Edited on Sat Jul-23-05 11:18 PM by Octafish
I'm tired of beating around it.



This is your nation on Bush: Killing innocent people for no good reason. It's just because Bush wants to kill.



Bush is a liar. He lied his way into war in Iraq with intelligence fixed around phony weapons of mass destruction and their affiliated "mushroom cloud over an American city." Condoleeza and the rest of the PNAC crowd couldn't stop smiling as they said it.



The guy is a thief. Not counting the two elections he's stolen, he invaded Iraq to steal the world's second-biggest supply of oil. In the process, he's looted the U.S. Treasury and penured the middle class.



The guy is a traitor. Bush has protected Karl Rove and Scotter Libby, a pair of traitors who damaged the national security. That makes Bush a traitor, too, just for protecting them. Those who agree that outing a loyal U.S. Secret Agent, compromising her organization, ruining the work of more than two decades in the fight against the spread of nuclear weapons, and the safety of all its members is OK are traitors, too.



The guy is a mass murderer, approving the illegal invasion of Iraq and the deaths of many, many TENS of THOUSANDS of innocent children, women and men -- PEOPLE!



The guy is a war criminal. That makes him JUST LIKE the NAZIs.



This is your nation on Bush.


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Greeby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-05 11:20 PM
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1. Now, comparing them to the Nazis isn't fair
Most of the high-profile Nazis saw combat
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RoyGBiv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-05 11:23 PM
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3. Ohdear ...
That kind of observation is addressed with, "Ooooo, burn!"

:-)

:hi:

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solinvictus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-05 11:25 PM
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4. That's true..
Hitler won the Iron Cross for bravery in the infantry in WW1. Goering was a fighter ace in the Richtofen Squadron as well.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-05 11:32 PM
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8. Bushler kept Texas free from the Air Force of North Vietnam.
Of course, he had to have Poppy pull some strings for him.





The Straight Dope: Did Bush go AWOL?

It's now well established that George W. Bush never showed up for National Guard duty for a period of approximately one year, possibly more, in 1972-1973. Despite all the talk about "honor and dignity," Bush seems to have a problem meeting his commitments.

"Those of us who were in the military wonder how it is that someone who is supposedly serving on active duty...can miss a whole year of service without even explaining where it went," said Kerry.

Bush says he's released all his records...if that's true, then has anyone seen:

* Any pages from Bush's flight log
* Records from the Flight Inquiry Board convened after Bush was suspended as a pilot
* Any evidence of Bush's reclassification into another AFSC after suspension as a pilot
* Any photos of George Bush in a military uniform after 1972
* Anything at all from any Alabama unit with Bush's name on it
* Any copies of form 44a from the Alabama National Guard certifying attendance
* Air Force Form 142 (Aviation Service Audit Worksheet)
* Anything proving service (not just receipt of pay) by Bush between May 1972 and May 1973?

CONTINUED...

http://www.awolbush.com/



Word to the Wise: I know this is old hat for you, solinvictus, but it's nice to put things in black-n-white for our guests and visitors.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-05 11:26 PM
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5. Good point. ALL the neo-con scum are chickenhawks.
And as long as someone else's blood is being shed, they can make a nice dollar off of war.



Neocon Amorality

By Robert Parry
March 3, 2005

For a government that wraps its actions in moral absolutes about good versus evil, while deriding liberal relativism, the Bush administration may rank as the most committed in modern American history to an ends-justify-the-means ethos.

Indeed, to understand the administration’s neoconservative foreign policy, one must recognize how this moral framework works: First, it sets out worthy-sounding goals – freedom, democracy, security – and then it applies whatever tactics are deemed necessary – torture, murder, unprovoked invasions – along with an aggressive propaganda strategy at home.

Next, when events take a positive turn, the neoconservatives claim credit, even if they had only a minor role or the events were largely coincidental. Criticism of the bloody means is washed away by celebration of the virtuous ends. Mainstream commentators join in, cheering the neocons’ farsightedness. Those who opposed the original actions are pushed to the political margins.

After two years of bloody war in Iraq and 1,500 U.S. soldiers dead, the neocons have reached such a moment. They are claiming vindication because of several developments in the Middle East, including the Iraqi election, tentative progress in Israeli-Palestinian negotiations, and Lebanese demands for a full Syrian withdrawal.

'Tipping Points'

This triumphal moment was noted by New York Times foreign policy columnist Thomas L. Friedman, who hailed the three developments as historical “tipping points” possibly foreshadowing “incredible” changes in the Middle East.

A lead editorial in the New York Times expanded on Friedman’s thesis. “The Bush administration is entitled to claim a healthy share of the credit for many of these advances,” the editorial said.

CONTINUED...

http://www.consortiumnews.com/2005/030305.html



Hey! A hearty welcome to DU, Greeby!
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-05 06:40 PM
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44. And let's not forget that the Nazi's were REALLY GOOD at what they did.
Not like this inept bunch of chickenshits.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-05 11:23 PM
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2. I'm running out of words to call those NaziGOPspaceLizardAntiChrists!
... but not images! :mad:

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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-05 11:38 PM
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10. You're scarey good, Swamp Rat.
The subject matter is just scarey, period.

What the nice Ted Rall said regarding Rove-boy and his supporters:





Republicans Must Choose -- Bush or America?

By Ted Rall
Mon Jul 18, 8:05 PM ET

NEW YORK--"Karl Rove is loyal to President Bush," a correspondent wrote as Treasongate broke. "Isn't that a form of patriotism?" Not in a representative democracy, I replied. Only in a dictatorship is fealty to the Leader equal to loyalty to the nation. We're Bush's boss. He works for us. Unless that changed on 9/11 (or 12/20/00). Rove had no right to give away state secrets, even to protect Bush.

SNIP...

In last week's column I speculated that Treasongate would almost certainly implicate Dick Cheney. Now, according to Time, Cheney chief of staff Lewis "Scooter" Libby is being probed as a second source of leaks to reporters about Plame.

We already know that Rove is a traitor. So, probably, is Cheney. Since George W. Bush has protected traitors for at least two years; he is therefore an accomplice to the Rove-Libby cell. We are long past the point where, during the summer of 1974, GOP senators led by Barry Goldwater told Richard Nixon that he had to resign. So why aren't Turd Blossom and his compadres out of office and awaiting trial?

Democrats are out of power. And, sadly, Republicans have become so obsessed with personal loyalty that they've forgotten that their first duty is to country, not party or friend. Unless they wake up soon and dump Bush, Republicans could be permanently discredited.

Bush sets the mafia-like tone: "I'm the kind of person, when a friend gets attacked, I don't like it." His lieutenants blur treason with hardball politics--" just aren't coming forward with any policy positions that would change the country, so they want to pick up whatever the target of the week is and make the most out of that," says GOP House Whip Roy Blunt--and blame the victim--Rove, absurdly argues Congresswoman Deborah Pryce, was innocently trying to expose Wilson's "lies."

CONTINUED...

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ucru/20050719/cm_ucru/republicansmustchoosebushoramerica



Wow, SwampRat! You really have mastered essence of what is at stake. Thank you for your work in pegging the Truth to these slugs and thanks for giving a damn, Compay!
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-05 11:53 PM
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12. Thank you... do you ever feel like Cassandra?
... and I'm NOT talkin' about during Mardi Gras. :D

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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-05 12:22 AM
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18. Know what you mean. "Got Oil?"




Cassandra

(Also called Alexandra)


Daughter of the Trojan king Priam and Queen Hecuba. Cassandra was very beautiful, but considered quite unbalanced. As a child, she was left over night in a temple of Apollo together with her brother Helenus. In the morning, their parents found the children entwined with snakes. The serpents were flicking their tongues into the children's ears, and so they were given the gift of prophecy.

When Paris returned to king Priam's court to regain his recognition as his son, it was Cassandra who declared him her brother. Even so, Priam had her locked in a chamber since she was quite mad.

Apollo fell in love with Cassandra when she was a grown woman, and once again spent a night in his temple. When she refused him, he cursed her, and from then on no one was to believe her prophecies. Also, anyone betrothed to her died, a fate Othryoneus, Coroebus and Eurypylus were to share.

Amongst the things she foresaw was the Trojan horse and Agamemnon's death. After the fall of Troy, she was dragged out of the temple of Athena, where she had sought protection, and raped by Ajax the Lesser.

Agamemnon took her as a prisoner of war, and she bore him twin sons: Teledamus and Pelops. He then took her with him to Mycenae, and despite her warnings they were both murdered by Clytemnestra. Aegisthus killed the two babies.

When Heinrich Schlieman excavated Mycenae he was sure he found Cassandra's grave, since in it he found the skeleton of a woman and two infants.

From this mythological character we have the expression "Don't be such a Cassandra".

SOURCE:

http://www.in2greece.com/english/historymyth/mythology/names/cassandra.htm



You know, Swampito, it's more like fighting the Hydra. Now what do we need to do to kill that off? Lots of chainsaws? Lozenges? Oil?
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-05 01:05 AM
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22. Not listening to real Casandras when they offer could be trouble
Regardless of it being true or not is only relevent to your position

Bush and Bin Laden Double Act

http://www.kirkbytimes.co.uk/antiwaritems/bush_bin_laden.html

Small Mediums At Large: The True Tales of a Family of Psychics
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0399152350/ref=sib_rdr_dp/002-6043100-2158414?%5Fencoding=UTF8&no=283155&me=ATVPDKIKX0DER&st=books
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Wizard777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-05 09:23 AM
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27. Suitable for framing. Evil seems to be en Vogue
Ponchious Pilot, Benedict Arnold, Trotsky, Adolph Hitler, with the Skull & Bones. Vogue. Vogue. Vogue. Vogue.

Top left to right corners the heads of: Ponchious Pilot and Benedict Arnold.

Bottom left to right corners the heads of: Trotsky and Adolph Hitler.

Cardinal points marked by heads in various stages of decay moving counter clockwise.

North: flesh striped and facial muscles exposed.

West: Rotting

South: Putrefied

East: Barren Skull (Bleached white and clean)

Connect heads and skulls with FIBula's.


With a frame like that. The picture will be much more than "tens of thousands of cubic" words could ever possibly explain. ;)
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-05 11:27 PM
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6. I wonder if W has trouble sleeping at night. He pretends to care but many
Edited on Sat Jul-23-05 11:28 PM by oasis
see right through him. He could give a shit about U.S. casualties, dead Iraqis or the massive destruction he has caused.

The Chimperor is especially despised by those in other countries because the folks overseas make it their business to stay informed.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-05 11:49 PM
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11. Spot on. These BFEE turds have no compassion for other human beings.
That's utterly reptilian and NAZI like, as SwampRat's art makes clear.

The folk in other countries have an infrastructure for disseminating pretty much unvarnished news. OTOH here, all the money goes to syndicating "Friends" and all the news goes through Karl Rove's Worst Wing office before being spat over to the press corpse.



Rove leak is just part of larger scandal

By Daniel Schorr
Christian Science Monitor
Friday, 07/22/05

WASHINGTON – Let me remind you that the underlying issue in the Karl Rove controversy is not a leak, but a war and how America was misled into that war.

In 2002 President Bush, having decided to invade Iraq, was casting about for a casus belli. The weapons of mass destruction theme was not yielding very much until a dubious Italian intelligence report, based partly on forged documents (it later turned out), provided reason to speculate that Iraq might be trying to buy so-called yellowcake uranium from the African country of Niger. It did not seem to matter that the CIA advised that the Italian information was "fragmentary and lacked detail."

Prodded by Vice President Dick Cheney and in the hope of getting more conclusive information, the CIA sent Joseph Wilson, an old Africa hand, to Niger to investigate. Mr. Wilson spent eight days talking to everyone in Niger possibly involved and came back to report no sign of an Iraqi bid for uranium and, anyway, Niger's uranium was committed to other countries for many years to come.

No news is bad news for an administration gearing up for war. Ignoring Wilson's report, Cheney talked on TV about Iraq's nuclear potential. And the president himself, in his 2003 State of the Union address no less, pronounced: "The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa."

Wilson declined to maintain a discreet silence. He told various people that the president was at least mistaken, at most telling an untruth. Finally Wilson directly challenged the administration with a July 6, 2003 New York Times op-ed headlined, "What I didn't find in Africa," and making clear his belief that the president deliberately manipulated intelligence in order to justify an invasion.

CONTINUED...

http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0715/p09s02-cods.html





oasis, DU Friend, you know this stuff as well as me. We're almost there. So, we can't let up. And we've got to keep going, enlightening as many Americans as possible, as quickly as possible, about these Bush Family Evil Empire turds.




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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-05 03:25 AM
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25. "Rove leak is just part of a larger scandal" by Daniel Schorr. Solid stuff
thanks.
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-05 11:29 PM
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7. These guys are fascist sleazy scum of the lowest kind....
....who carry out the policies of the real American Nazis, the wealthiest individuals and their families in the U.S. and the six million professional bourgeoisies who stand behind the wealthy.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-05 12:07 AM
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15. The same crowd made money off of Gulf War 1, Vietnam, Cold War...
Thank you for naming them, whistle.

In this, just about the illegal Iraq invasion, they certainly are that.



Hallliburton Wins New $4.9Billion Iraq Contract

by David Phinney, Special to CorpWatch
July 6th, 2005

With little fanfare and no public announcement, the U.S. Army quietly awarded billions of dollars in new work to Halliburton’s subsidiary Kellogg, Brown and Root (KBR) on May 1 to support the United States military occupation of Iraq.

The new 12-month task order valued at as much as $4.972 billion for the U.S. military’s logistical needs includes camp maintenance, new construction and the serving of four meals a day for as many as 120,000 troops at 62 primary camps and a dozen satellite camps, according to a April 3 draft of the agreement, Task Order 89.

Awarded under the sweeping, 10-year Logistics Civil Augmentation Program contract, known as LOGCAP III, this new task order now brings Halliburton’s potential billings in Iraq and Afghanistan within a year to nearly $20 billion -- and perhaps more.

The recent May 1 agreement reflects the Pentagon’s ongoing approval of the Halliburton’s performance, despite the fact that critics continue clamoring for investigations of the controversial war contractor’s services, whom they accuse of sloppy accounting, bill padding, and unsubstantiated charges.

As of May 5, the total money for Halliburton's logistical services now performed registered at nearly $10.5 billion for Operation Iraqi Freedom, $813 million for Enduring Freedom in Afghanistan and $56.6 million for other LOGCAP related tasks, according to a spreadsheet prepared by the U.S. Army Field Support Command based at Rock Island Arsenal, Illinois, the military command that manages the LOGCAP.

CONTINUED...

http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=12487

Top 10 War Profiteers for 2004:

http://www.corporatepolicy.org/topics/topten2004list.htm

Lots more War Profiteering Documented Here:

http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?list=type&type=176



Of course, the BFEE has made money off war, before, going way back. It's a NAZI thing to do.

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gumby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-05 11:37 PM
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9. Don't forget Depleted Uranium
It's the gift that lasts through the generations.

Google has immense topics on Depleted Uranium, but here are some more very graphic pictures of what the U.S. has wrought
http://www.web-light.nl/VISIE/extremedeformities.html
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-05 12:15 AM
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16. Heartbreaking photos that I'll never forget.
Those who harm children in the name of my country are not patriots, they are traitors.

Of course, for the BFEE, hurting children is something that is all too often required:



American Children Used in Radiation Experiments

The United States Government wasn’t always so concerned about human life -- not even kids'. During the Cold War, American children were used in radiation and other experiments.

http://archives.cjr.org/year/94/2/radiation.asp

http://www.radiationsurvivors.org/healtheffects.htm

When Dorothy Lagarreta, a California mother of nine, tried to do something about it, organizing the National Association of Radiation Surivors (NARS), she had a fatal single-car crash into a tree. No accident, reported the priest who said her funeral mass:

http://www.catholicvoiceoakland.org/Archives/Archive011204L.html

BFEE stands for Bush Family Evil Empire. To me, the term represents the secret government that serves the nation's most powerful and wealthy individuals, the military-industrial-intel complex, Wall Street, the mafia, the ultra-right wing, the KKK and racialists and the NAZIs -- in short the War Party. The BFEE has been involved in much of America's darkest chapters, from the killing of President Kennedy to installing one of its dimmest sons as president.

Remember, America: You're either with 'em or against 'em.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3312956



And you know who else said the ends justify the means?

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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-05 11:59 PM
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13. You are absolutely right!
I am sick and tired of people not wanting to say, flat out, what this Bush government actually is; this is fascism, period. It isn't "like" fascism, it isn't "nearly as bad" as fascism - IT IS FASCISM! We may be already too late to save what we once had, but we have to fight these monsters from making us into what they are trying to build. They must be stopped! I am nominating your post.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-05 12:32 AM
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19. Thanks, Dhalgren. Sometimes I got to say it, or my heart will burst.
These turds not only are killing our world and its people -- they are doing it in my country's name -- in my name. I won't let up on these slugs until they are indicted, tried, convicted and sentenced as what they are, war criminals.

Look how they treat children, under their "care":



Pentagon Blocks Release of Abu Ghraib Images: Here's Why

By Greg Mitchell
Published: July 23, 2005 6:00 PM ET

So what is shown on the 87 photographs and four videos from Abu Ghraib prison that the Pentagon, in an eleventh hour move, blocked from release this weekend? One clue: Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld told Congress last year, after viewing a large cache of unreleased images: "I mean, I looked at them last night, and they're hard to believe.” They show acts "that can only be described as blatantly sadistic, cruel and inhumane," he added.

SNIP...

"’The American public needs to understand we're talking about rape and murder here. We're not just talking about giving people a humiliating experience,’ Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina told reporters after Rumsfeld testified before the Senate Armed Services Committee. ’We're talking about rape and murder -- and some very serious charges.’

“A report by Maj. Gen. Antonio Taguba on the abuse at the prison outside Baghdad says videotapes and photographs show naked detainees, and that groups of men were forced to masturbate while being photographed and videotaped. Taguba also found evidence of a ‘male MP guard having sex with a female detainee.’

“Rumsfeld told Congress the unrevealed photos and videos contain acts 'that can only be described as blatantly sadistic, cruel and inhuman.’”

SNIP...

“Basically what happened is that those women who were arrested with young boys/children in cases that have been recorded. The boys were sodomized with the cameras rolling. The worst about all of them is the soundtrack of the boys shrieking that your government has. They are in total terror it's going to come out.”

SOURCE:

http://www.mediainfo.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000990590



Thank you for understanding. Thank you for giving a damn. And thanks for the nom, Dhalgren.
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against all enemies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-05 12:03 AM
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14. You are correct. Now what?
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-05 12:36 AM
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20. Fight like the Devil.
These turds are worse than any threat mounted by the Commies in the Cold War or the Fascists in World War II. Neither took over the Government of the United States.

What can we do? Not that I'm versed, but I'd suggest a mulit-pronged approach.

Fix what we can fix -- like the fixed voting machines.

Fix blame for the illegal Iraq war where it belongs -- straight on the pimply backside of George Bush and Dick Cheney.

Fix up some mighty protests if Congress doesn't want to do either of the above.

What's this going to take to accomplish?

Information.
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-05 12:16 AM
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17. Sorry but I had to giggle
That title "They Hate Us for our NAZIs" is really kind of catchy.

Many an informed DUer put the myth of them being Nazis to rest long ago though, they are a much slimier than that. No honor, you understand and wasting time in trying to shame them is emboldening exercise for them when they learn nothing will happen. The darkness always comes before light

These are the real ugly people they have always described through the ages, they are layed out naked for us to see and saying in no uncertain terms, 'what ya going to do about it punk'.

Btw sorry for the frankness, but i never learned french
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-05 12:43 AM
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21. "Laugh while you can, Monkey Boy."
... is how Professor Emilio Lazardo put it.





More on the Bush-Nazi Connection

Awhile back I touched on the connection between the Nazis and the Bush family fortune as part of the review of the book "The People as Enemy". And I also referred extensively to it in "Frauds ‘R’ US" as well. Then a big piece was published in the New Hampshire Gazette a couple of weeks ago, after some new files were released after an FOIA application managed to squeeze it out of the bureaucracy. Well the guy who wrote the Gazette story John Buchanan, mailed me the other day complaining that the mass media just don’t want to know about it. Here’s the press release he sent me,

"On Wednesday, November 19, 2003 John Buchanan ... wrote:

A Call To Action For An Important Journalistic-Historical Project

On September 17, I became the first journalist in U.S. history to independently confirm and report in a reputable newspaper -- The New Hampshire Gazette, founded in 1756 and the oldest paper in America -- the Nazi past of the Bush family, via its 27-year business relationship with Nazi industrialist Fritz Thyssen from 1924 until 1951. Both Prescott Bush, the grandfather of George W. Bush, and George Herbert Walker, his maternal great-grandfather, were part of the partnership, under the banner of the private bank Brown Brothers Harriman.

Beginning in August 1942, those Nazi-front business assets were seized by the U.S. government under The Trading with the Enemy Act. The seizures continued until 1951, when Thyssen, the financial architect of The Third Reich, died in Argentina. It was the liquidation of those Nazi assets after Thyssen's death that were the foundation of the Bush family fortune.

Last March, Newsweek Polska, the magazine s Polish edition, published a brief but shocking story that linked the Bush fortune directly to slave labor at Auschwitz. The U.S. edition, as I reported in my first NHG story on October 10: http://www.nhgazette.com... spiked the story for reasons that have never been accounted for by Newsweek.

Since my discovery of the actual documents, many of which were only declassified and approved for public release on September 14 (four days before I got to the archives) virtually every major news organization in the U.S. has refused to investigate the Bush-Nazi story or even examine the documents. The list includes The New York Times, ABC News, Washington Post, Knight-Ridder Newspapers, Miami Herald, CNN, The Wall Street Journal and USA Today.

CONTINUED...

http://www.williambowles.info/ini/ini-0143.html



So, yes. I know you know they're NAZIs, nolabels. A lot of visitors and current DUers don't think so. Sorry to repetetive, but sometimes that's the only way some people will learn, those who've been brainwashed by Corporate McPravda. And I know you know who Buckaroo Banzia is.
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-05 01:36 AM
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24. Much like the butterfly (or moth), it's a stage of the life cycle ?
They don't need to be them hands on, chew up monsters in the grub form. They are in a different form now. They flutter about looking for places to lay their eggs to start another brood, all the while engaged in the moments as they happen through their own personal periscope(it's quite tricky balancing act).

They may look captivating and intriguing while they dart about. Yet in the long run they can be quite devastating when not checked. Just like a swarm of locust, their soon to be hatched larva will strip things bare. The metaphor is a nice tool for use in such instances

The detachment from the day to day annoyances for them is quite important for their continuance on this journey. They are living in theory rather the reality and will stay there in that place when ever possible
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gumby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-05 01:07 AM
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23. You know what?
A person has to have a strong constitution to even allow themselves to know about these things. This knowledge is the stuff that kills those without conditioning. This is why so many fight to keep their ignorance.

This knowledge really does kill. This explains why so many turn to wacky religions, or other diversions in order to keep out reality. So many people will stick their fingers in their ears and hum 'nah, nah, nah,' because it really is a survival mechanism.

They can't handle (even a close approximation of) the truth.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-05 08:26 AM
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26. Astute point.
:kick:
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-05 12:42 PM
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39. Thanks for saying that, gumby.
The only way -- the ONLY way -- I've kept sane the last four years is by sharing and learning with others who's who and what's what.

On 9-11, I smelled a big fat Bushy rat and said so publicly. One of my best friends and my wife said, "Whoa." I reminded them of what kind of people these are, the ones who stole the presidential election of 2000.

My wife and bud looked at each other as if to say, "Coo-coo." They said there was no way any American would do that to another American. Later on, I asked my wife, "WTF?" and she said she understood where I was coming from, but that she was trying to keep her sanity by focusing on what she believed to be the better angels of human nature. She also said she never doubted my sanity (and rolled her eyes heavenward, being my wife and all).

Then, in March 2002, they were concerned for my "mental health." I re-stated my belief that Bush and his handlers were the prime beneficiaries of 9-11. When the news came out that "Bush Knew," my friend's tune changed.

Thanks for holding the melody and understanding what's at stake for our country and planet and future, gumby. Truly, I'm much obliged.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-05 09:33 AM
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28. "Whenever I speak,
I must cry out, violence and outrage is my message; ....it becomes like a fire burning in my heart, imprisoned in my bones; I grow weary holding it in, I cannot endure it."
-- Jeremiah 20:8-9
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-05 12:46 PM
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40. Those words, H20 Man.
There is infinite wisdom for those who first can think for themselves in that book.

Thank you for finding and sharing them.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-05 06:41 PM
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45. It's a book
that advocates social revolution. Takes a lot of abuse, of course. I learned about it from a couple brothers, named Daniel and Phillip, who were at times Jesuits. They took a lot of abuse, too. (grin)
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mn723 Donating Member (46 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-05 09:40 AM
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29. Does anyone else
feel almost ashamed to be an American? How could we re-elect such an evil president and administration? How can Bush supporters still have such blind/arrogant faith in him?
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-05 12:53 PM
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41. Understand what you mean, totally, mn723.
The acts that are done in the name of my country by George Walker Bush, his chimpministration, his father and the rest of the Bush Transnational Criminal Enterprise, or Bush Family Evil Empire, or Bushco or whatever, is treasonous. Americans do not attack nations that are at peace with us. That's what Tojo and Hitler did.

Remember the crazy monkey's UN speech in 2003? Here's how the Socialists Workers web site pegged it (FYI: I'm a social Democrat in that there should be a more equitable economic system than the rich keep getting richer model):



Bush at the UN—a war criminal takes the podium

By Bill Vann
24 September 2003

President George W. Bush’s ignorant and insulting speech to the United Nations General Assembly September 23 made clear that the US administration has all but written off any hope of obtaining significant international support for its colonial venture in Iraq.

Bush came before the body as an unrepentant war criminal, whose actions had violated the UN Charter and international law by waging a war of aggression as criminal and unprovoked as those carried out by the Hitlerite regime in Germany more than 60 years ago.

Having just last week publicly acknowledged there is no evidence of a link between the Iraqi regime of Saddam Hussein and the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks on New York City and Washington DC, Bush began his speech to the UN by invoking the ruins of the World Trade Center as the “symbol of an unfinished war.”

He likewise peddled yet again the now universally discredited pretext for the Iraq war, the claim that the Baghdad regime posed a grave and imminent threat because of its supposedly immense stockpile of “weapons of mass destruction.”

This, just one week after the chief of the United Nations’ own inspection agency, Hans Blix, compared the US and British allegations about such weapons to the hunt for witches in the Middle Ages and amid reports that the unit set up by Washington to scour the country for the alleged tons of biological and chemical weapons materials has halted all searches.

Indeed, Bush himself referred to the supposedly urgent hunt for deadly weapons that were about to be handed to terrorists as a sort of archival pursuit. US personnel, he indicated, are “analyzing records of the old regime to reveal the full extent of its weapons programs.” In other words, there was not a trace to be found of the tons of nerve gas, anthrax, serin and other deadly agents alleged by Washington.

CONTINUED...

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/sep2003/bush-s24.shtml



Lots of useful history there, for the record.

BTW: A hearty welcome to DU, mn723! How's summer in Bear Lake?
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w8liftinglady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 10:07 AM
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57. This needs to be kicked again..nt
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-05 09:44 AM
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30. Amerimacka
http://www.cs.wisc.edu.nyud.net:8090/~craft/bush/bush_psycho.jpg

Amerimacka

Miss Liberty turn inna Jezzabelle
All de dreams you go sell, de whole dem turn inna hell
Her bed of roses are filled with thorns
Her righteous robes are tattered and torn

If she had only stood for love
That would have been enough
She wouldn’t have to hide her shame
If she had only stood for love
That would have been enough
But now she’s burnt us all with her flames

Amerimacka
Oh what a beautiful life
Amerimacka
Is like licking honey off a knife

Amerimacka
Oh what a beautiful sight
Amerimacka
Oh what a beautiful life

The land of the free built on slavery
Our consciousness in captivity
The promise land is the liar’s den
Your culture of greed has got to end

Now we’re laying in the mud
Looking up above
Tear water just ah drop from the sky
They try to keep us in the mud
Separating us from love
But me nah go let dem conquer de I

Amerimacka
Oh what a beautiful life
Amerimacka
Is like licking honey off a knife

Amerimacka
Oh what a beautiful sight
Amerimacka
Oh what a beautiful life

Thievery Corporation

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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-05 09:07 PM
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46. Monster


Monster

(Monster)
Once the religious, the hunted and weary
Chasing the promise of freedom and hope
Came to this country to build a new vision
Far from the reaches of kingdom and pope
Like good Christians, some would burn the witches
Later some got slaves to gather riches

But still from near and far to seek America
They came by thousands to court the wild
And she just patiently smiled and bore a child
To be their spirit and guiding light

And once the ties with the crown had been broken
Westward in saddle and wagon it went
And 'til the railroad linked ocean to ocean
Many the lives which had come to an end
While we bullied, stole and bought our a homeland
We began the slaughter of the red man

But still from near and far to seek America
They came by thousands to court the wild
And she just patiently smiled and bore a child
To be their spirit and guiding light

The blue and grey they stomped it
They kicked it just like a dog
And when the war over
They stuffed it just like a hog

And though the past has it's share of injustice
Kind was the spirit in many a way
But it's protectors and friends have been sleeping
Now it's a monster and will not obey

(Suicide)
The spirit was freedom and justice
And it's keepers seem generous and kind
It's leaders were supposed to serve the country
But now they won't pay it no mind
'Cause the people grew fat and got lazy
And now their vote is a meaningless joke
They babble about law and order
But it's all just an echo of what they've been told
Yeah, there's a monster on the loose
It's got our heads into a noose
And it just sits there watchin'

Our cities have turned into jungles
And corruption is stranglin' the land
The police force is watching the people
And the people just can't understand
We don't know how to mind our own business
'Cause the whole worlds got to be just like us
Now we are fighting a war over there
No matter who's the winner
We can't pay the cost
'Cause there's a monster on the loose
It's got our heads into a noose
And it just sits there watching

(America)
America where are you now?
Don't you care about your sons and daughters?
Don't you know we need you now
We can't fight alone against the monster
America.

-- Steppenwolf
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-05 10:27 AM
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31. This is what george bush's Amerimacka has done to the people of Haiti
WHILE I SIT HERE TRYING TO THINK OF THINGS TO SAY

SOMEONE LIES BLEEDING IN A FIELD SOMEWHERE

SO IT WOULD SEEM WE'VE STILL GOT A LONG LONG WAY TO GO

I'VE SEEN ALL I WANNA SEE TODAY

WHILE I SIT HERE TRYING TO MOVE YOU ANYWAY I CAN

SOMEONE'S SON LIES DEAD IN A GUTTER SOMEWHERE

AND IT WOULD SEEM THAT WE'VE GOT A LONG LONG WAY TO GO

BUT I CAN'T TAKE IT ANYMORE

SWITCH IT OFF IT WILL GO AWAY

TURN IT OFF IF YOU WANT TO

SWITCH IT OFF OR LOOK AWAY

WHILE I SIT AND WE TALK AND TALK AND WE TALK SOME MORE

SOMEONE'S LOVED ONE'S HEART STOPS BEATING IN A STREET SOMEWHERE

SO IT WOULD SEEM WE'VE STILL GOT A LONG LONG WAY TO GO, I KNOW

I'VE HEARD ALL I WANNA HEAR TODAY

TURN IT OFF IF YOU WANT TO (TURN IT OFF IF YOU WANT TO)

SWITCH IT OFF IT WILL GO AWAY (SWITCH IT OFF IT WILL GO AWAY)

TURN IT OFF IF YOU WANT TO (TURN IT OFF IF YOU WANT TO)

SWITCH IT OFF OR LOOK AWAY (SWITCH IT OFF OR LOOK AWAY)

SWITCH IT OFF

SWITCH IT OFF

SWITCH IT OFF

SWITCH IT OFF

SWITCH IT OFF

TURN IT OFF


thanks phil collins for the words
my heart to the people of Haiti

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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-05 10:37 AM
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32. OCTAFISH IS A DRUM MAJOR FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS
The Drum Major Instinct
This morning I would like to use as a subject from which to preach: "The Drum Major Instinct." "The Drum Major Instinct." And our text for the morning is taken from a very familiar passage in the tenth chapter as recorded by Saint Mark. Beginning with the thirty-fifth verse of that chapter, we read these words: "And James and John, the sons of Zebedee, came unto him saying, Master, we would that thou shouldest do for us whatsoever we shall desire. And he said unto them, What would ye that I should do for you? And they said unto him, Grant unto us that we may sit, one on thy right hand, and the other on thy left hand, in thy glory. But Jesus said unto them, Ye know not what ye ask: Can ye drink of the cup that I drink of? and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with? And they said unto him, We can. And Jesus said unto them, Ye shall indeed drink of the cup that I drink of, and with the baptism that I am baptized withal shall ye be baptized: but to sit on my right hand and on my left hand is not mine to give; but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared." And then Jesus goes on toward the end of that passage to say, "But so shall it not be among you: but whosoever will be great among you, shall be your servant: and whosoever of you will be the chiefest, shall be servant of all."

The setting is clear. James and John are making a specific request of the master. They had dreamed, as most of the Hebrews dreamed, of a coming king of Israel who would set Jerusalem free and establish his kingdom on Mount Zion, and in righteousness rule the world. And they thought of Jesus as this kind of king. And they were thinking of that day when Jesus would reign supreme as this new king of Israel. And they were saying, "Now when you establish your kingdom, let one of us sit on the right hand and the other on the left hand of your throne."

Now very quickly, we would automatically condemn James and John, and we would say they were selfish. Why would they make such a selfish request? But before we condemn them too quickly, let us look calmly and honestly at ourselves, and we will discover that we too have those same basic desires for recognition, for importance. That same desire for attention, that same desire to be first. Of course, the other disciples got mad with James and John, and you could understand why, but we must understand that we have some of the same James and John qualities. And there is deep down within all of us an instinct. It's a kind of drum major instincta desire to be out front, a desire to lead the parade, a desire to be first. And it is something that runs the whole gamut of life.

And so before we condemn them, let us see that we all have the drum major instinct. We all want to be important, to surpass others, to achieve distinction, to lead the parade. Alfred Adler, the great psychoanalyst, contends that this is the dominant impulse. Sigmund Freud used to contend that sex was the dominant impulse, and Adler came with a new argument saying that this quest for recognition, this desire for attention, this desire for distinction is the basic impulse, the basic drive of human life, this drum major instinct.

And you know, we begin early to ask life to put us first. Our first cry as a baby was a bid for attention. And all through childhood the drum major impulse or instinct is a major obsession. Children ask life to grant them first place. They are a little bundle of ego. And they have innately the drum major impulse or the drum major instinct.

Now in adult life, we still have it, and we really never get by it. We like to do something good. And you know, we like to be praised for it. Now if you don't believe that, you just go on living life, and you will discover very soon that you like to be praised. Everybody likes it, as a matter of fact. And somehow this warm glow we feel when we are praised or when our name is in print is something of the vitamin A to our ego. Nobody is unhappy when they are praised, even if they know they don't deserve it and even if they don't believe it. The only unhappy people about praise is when that praise is going too much toward somebody else. (Thats right) But everybody likes to be praised because of this real drum major instinct.

Now the presence of the drum major instinct is why so many people are "joiners." You know, there are some people who just join everything. And it's really a quest for attention and recognition and importance. And they get names that give them that impression. So you get your groups, and they become the "Grand Patron," and the little fellow who is henpecked at home needs a chance to be the "Most Worthy of the Most Worthy" of something. It is the drum major impulse and longing that runs the gamut of human life. And so we see it everywhere, this quest for recognition. And we join things, overjoin really, that we think that we will find that recognition in.

Now the presence of this instinct explains why we are so often taken by advertisers. You know, those gentlemen of massive verbal persuasion. And they have a way of saying things to you that kind of gets you into buying. In order to be a man of distinction, you must drink this whiskey. In order to make your neighbors envious, you must drive this type of car. (Make it plain) In order to be lovely to love you must wear this kind of lipstick or this kind of perfume. And you know, before you know it, you're just buying that stuff. (Yes) That's the way the advertisers do it.

I got a letter the other day, and it was a new magazine coming out. And it opened up, "Dear Dr. King: As you know, you are on many mailing lists. And you are categorized as highly intelligent, progressive, a lover of the arts and the sciences, and I know you will want to read what I have to say." Of course I did. After you said all of that and explained me so exactly, of course I wanted to read it.

But very seriously, it goes through life; the drum major instinct is real. (Yes) And you know what else it causes to happen? It often causes us to live above our means. (Make it plain) It's nothing but the drum major instinct. Do you ever see people buy cars that they can't even begin to buy in terms of their income? (Amen) You've seen people riding around in Cadillacs and Chryslers who don't earn enough to have a good T-Model Ford. (Make it plain) But it feeds a repressed ego.

You know, economists tell us that your automobile should not cost more than half of your annual income. So if you make an income of five thousand dollars, your car shouldn't cost more than about twenty-five hundred. That's just good economics. And if it's a family of two, and both members of the family make ten thousand dollars, they would have to make out with one car. That would be good economics, although it's often inconvenient. But so often, haven't you seen people making five thousand dollars a year and driving a car that costs six thousand? And they wonder why their ends never meet. That's a fact.

Now the economists also say that your house shouldn't costif you're buying a house, it shouldn't cost more than twice your income. That's based on the economy and how you would make ends meet. So, if you have an income of five thousand dollars, it's kind of difficult in this society. But say it's a family with an income of ten thousand dollars, the house shouldn't cost much more than twenty thousand. Well, I've seen folk making ten thousand dollars, living in a forty- and fifty-thousand-dollar house. And you know they just barely make it. They get a check every month somewhere, and they owe all of that out before it comes in. Never have anything to put away for rainy days.

But now the problem is, it is the drum major instinct. And you know, you see people over and over again with the drum major instinct taking them over. And they just live their lives trying to outdo the Joneses. (Amen) They got to get this coat because this particular coat is a little better and a little better-looking than Mary's coat. And I got to drive this car because it's something about this car that makes my car a little better than my neighbor's car. (Amen) I know a man who used to live in a thirty-five-thousand-dollar house. And other people started building thirty-five-thousand-dollar houses, so he built a seventy-five-thousand-dollar house. And then somebody else built a seventy-five-thousand-dollar house, and he built a hundred-thousand-dollar house. And I don't know where he's going to end up if he's going to live his life trying to keep up with the Joneses.

There comes a time that the drum major instinct can become destructive. (Make it plain) And that's where I want to move now. I want to move to the point of saying that if this instinct is not harnessed, it becomes a very dangerous, pernicious instinct. For instance, if it isnt harnessed, it causes one's personality to become distorted. I guess that's the most damaging aspect of it: what it does to the personality. If it isn't harnessed, you will end up day in and day out trying to deal with your ego problem by boasting. Have you ever heard people thatyou know, and I'm sure you've met themthat really become sickening because they just sit up all the time talking about themselves. (Amen) And they just boast and boast and boast, and that's the person who has not harnessed the drum major instinct.

And then it does other things to the personality. It causes you to lie about who you know sometimes. (Amen, Make it plain) There are some people who are influence peddlers. And in their attempt to deal with the drum major instinct, they have to try to identify with the so-called big-name people. (Yeah, Make it plain) And if you're not careful, they will make you think they know somebody that they don't really know. (Amen) They know them well, they sip tea with them, and they this-and-that. That happens to people.

And the other thing is that it causes one to engage ultimately in activities that are merely used to get attention. Criminologists tell us that some people are driven to crime because of this drum major instinct. They don't feel that they are getting enough attention through the normal channels of social behavior, and so they turn to anti-social behavior in order to get attention, in order to feel important. (Yeah) And so they get that gun, and before they know it they robbed a bank in a quest for recognition, in a quest for importance.

And then the final great tragedy of the distorted personality is the fact that when one fails to harness this instinct, (Glory to God) he ends up trying to push others down in order to push himself up. (Amen) And whenever you do that, you engage in some of the most vicious activities. You will spread evil, vicious, lying gossip on people, because you are trying to pull them down in order to push yourself up. (Make it plain) And the great issue of life is to harness the drum major instinct.

Now the other problem is, when you don't harness the drum major instinctthis uncontrolled aspect of itis that it leads to snobbish exclusivism. It leads to snobbish exclusivism. (Make it plain) And you know, this is the danger of social clubs and fraternitiesI'm in a fraternity; I'm in two or threefor sororities and all of these, I'm not talking against them. I'm saying it's the danger. The danger is that they can become forces of classism and exclusivism where somehow you get a degree of satisfaction because you are in something exclusive. And that's fulfilling something, you knowthat I'm in this fraternity, and it's the best fraternity in the world, and everybody can't get in this fraternity. So it ends up, you know, a very exclusive kind of thing.

And you know, that can happen with the church; I know churches get in that bind sometimes. (Amen, Make it plain) I've been to churches, you know, and they say, "We have so many doctors, and so many school teachers, and so many lawyers, and so many businessmen in our church." And that's fine, because doctors need to go to church, and lawyers, and businessmen, teachersthey ought to be in church. But they say thateven the preacher sometimes will go all through thatthey say that as if the other people don't count. (Amen)

And the church is the one place where a doctor ought to forget that he's a doctor. The church is the one place where a Ph.D. ought to forget that he's a Ph.D. (Yes) The church is the one place that the school teacher ought to forget the degree she has behind her name. The church is the one place where the lawyer ought to forget that he's a lawyer. And any church that violates the "whosoever will, let him come" doctrine is a dead, cold church, (Yes) and nothing but a little social club with a thin veneer of religiosity.

When the church is true to its nature, (Whoo) it says, "Whosoever will, let him come." (Yes) And it does not supposed to satisfy the perverted uses of the drum major instinct. It's the one place where everybody should be the same, standing before a common master and savior. (Yes, sir) And a recognition grows out of thisthat all men are brothers because they are children (Yes) of a common father.

The drum major instinct can lead to exclusivism in one's thinking and can lead one to feel that because he has some training, he's a little better than that person who doesn't have it. Or because he has some economic security, that he's a little better than that person who doesn't have it. And that's the uncontrolled, perverted use of the drum major instinct.

Now the other thing is, that it leads to tragicand we've seen it happen so oftentragic race prejudice. Many who have written about this problemLillian Smith used to say it beautifully in some of her books. And she would say it to the point of getting men and women to see the source of the problem. Do you know that a lot of the race problem grows out of the drum major instinct? A need that some people have to feel superior. A need that some people have to feel that they are first, and to feel that their white skin ordained them to be first. (Make it plain, today, cause Im against it, so help me God) And they have said over and over again in ways that we see with our own eyes. In fact, not too long ago, a man down in Mississippi said that God was a charter member of the White Citizens Council. And so God being the charter member means that everybody who's in that has a kind of divinity, a kind of superiority. And think of what has happened in history as a result of this perverted use of the drum major instinct. It has led to the most tragic prejudice, the most tragic expressions of man's inhumanity to man.

The other day I was saying, I always try to do a little converting when I'm in jail. And when we were in jail in Birmingham the other day, the white wardens and all enjoyed coming around the cell to talk about the race problem. And they were showing us where we were so wrong demonstrating. And they were showing us where segregation was so right. And they were showing us where intermarriage was so wrong. So I would get to preaching, and we would get to talkingcalmly, because they wanted to talk about it. And then we got down one day to the pointthat was the second or third dayto talk about where they lived, and how much they were earning. And when those brothers told me what they were earning, I said, "Now, you know what? You ought to be marching with us. You're just as poor as Negroes." And I said, "You are put in the position of supporting your oppressor, because through prejudice and blindness, you fail to see that the same forces that oppress Negroes in American society oppress poor white people. (Yes) And all you are living on is the satisfaction of your skin being white, and the drum major instinct of thinking that you are somebody big because you are white. And you're so poor you can't send your children to school. You ought to be out here marching with every one of us every time we have a march."

Now that's a fact. That the poor white has been put into this position, where through blindness and prejudice, (Make it plain) he is forced to support his oppressors. And the only thing he has going for him is the false feeling that hes superior because his skin is whiteand can't hardly eat and make his ends meet week in and week out. (Amen)

And not only does this thing go into the racial struggle, it goes into the struggle between nations. And I would submit to you this morning that what is wrong in the world today is that the nations of the world are engaged in a bitter, colossal contest for supremacy. And if something doesn't happen to stop this trend, I'm sorely afraid that we won't be here to talk about Jesus Christ and about God and about brotherhood too many more years. (Yeah) If somebody doesn't bring an end to this suicidal thrust that we see in the world today, none of us are going to be around, because somebody's going to make the mistake through our senseless blunderings of dropping a nuclear bomb somewhere. And then another one is going to drop. And don't let anybody fool you, this can happen within a matter of seconds. (Amen) They have twenty-megaton bombs in Russia right now that can destroy a city as big as New York in three seconds, with everybody wiped away, and every building. And we can do the same thing to Russia and China.

But this is why we are drifting. And we are drifting there because nations are caught up with the drum major instinct. "I must be first." "I must be supreme." "Our nation must rule the world." (Preach it) And I am sad to say that the nation in which we live is the supreme culprit. And I'm going to continue to say it to America, because I love this country too much to see the drift that it has taken.

God didn't call America to do what she's doing in the world now. (Preach it, preach it) God didn't call America to engage in a senseless, unjust war as the war in Vietnam. And we are criminals in that war. Weve committed more war crimes almost than any nation in the world, and I'm going to continue to say it. And we won't stop it because of our pride and our arrogance as a nation.

But God has a way of even putting nations in their place. (Amen) The God that I worship has a way of saying, "Don't play with me." (Yes) He has a way of saying, as the God of the Old Testament used to say to the Hebrews, "Dont play with me, Israel. Don't play with me, Babylon. (Yes) Be still and know that I'm God. And if you don't stop your reckless course, I'll rise up and break the backbone of your power." (Yes) And that can happen to America. (Yes) Every now and then I go back and read Gibbons' Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire. And when I come and look at America, I say to myself, the parallels are frightening. And we have perverted the drum major instinct.

But let me rush on to my conclusion, because I want you to see what Jesus was really saying. What was the answer that Jesus gave these men? It's very interesting. One would have thought that Jesus would have condemned them. One would have thought that Jesus would have said, "You are out of your place. You are selfish. Why would you raise such a question?"

But that isn't what Jesus did; he did something altogether different. He said in substance, "Oh, I see, you want to be first. You want to be great. You want to be important. You want to be significant. Well, you ought to be. If you're going to be my disciple, you must be." But he reordered priorities. And he said, "Yes, don't give up this instinct. It's a good instinct if you use it right. (Yes) It's a good instinct if you don't distort it and pervert it. Don't give it up. Keep feeling the need for being important. Keep feeling the need for being first. But I want you to be first in love. (Amen) I want you to be first in moral excellence. I want you to be first in generosity. That is what I want you to do."

And he transformed the situation by giving a new definition of greatness. And you know how he said it? He said, "Now brethren, I can't give you greatness. And really, I can't make you first." This is what Jesus said to James and John. "You must earn it. True greatness comes not by favoritism, but by fitness. And the right hand and the left are not mine to give, they belong to those who are prepared." (Amen)

And so Jesus gave us a new norm of greatness. If you want to be importantwonderful. If you want to be recognizedwonderful. If you want to be greatwonderful. But recognize that he who is greatest among you shall be your servant. (Amen) That's a new definition of greatness.

And this morning, the thing that I like about it: by giving that definition of greatness, it means that everybody can be great, (Everybody) because everybody can serve. (Amen) You don't have to have a college degree to serve. (All right) You don't have to make your subject and your verb agree to serve. You don't have to know about Plato and Aristotle to serve. You don't have to know Einstein's theory of relativity to serve. You don't have to know the second theory of thermodynamics in physics to serve. (Amen) You only need a heart full of grace, (Yes, sir, Amen) a soul generated by love. (Yes) And you can be that servant.

I know a manand I just want to talk about him a minute, and maybe you will discover who I'm talking about as I go down the way (Yeah) because he was a great one. And he just went about serving. He was born in an obscure village, (Yes, sir) the child of a poor peasant woman. And then he grew up in still another obscure village, where he worked as a carpenter until he was thirty years old. (Amen) Then for three years, he just got on his feet, and he was an itinerant preacher. And he went about doing some things. He didn't have much. He never wrote a book. He never held an office. He never had a family. (Yes) He never owned a house. He never went to college. He never visited a big city. He never went two hundred miles from where he was born. He did none of the usual things that the world would associate with greatness. He had no credentials but himself.

He was only thirty-three when the tide of public opinion turned against him. They called him a rabble-rouser. They called him a troublemaker. They said he was an agitator. (Glory to God) He practiced civil disobedience; he broke injunctions. And so he was turned over to his enemies and went through the mockery of a trial. And the irony of it all is that his friends turned him over to them. (Amen) One of his closest friends denied him. Another of his friends turned him over to his enemies. And while he was dying, the people who killed him gambled for his clothing, the only possession that he had in the world. (Lord help him) When he was dead he was buried in a borrowed tomb, through the pity of a friend.

Nineteen centuries have come and gone and today he stands as the most influential figure that ever entered human history. All of the armies that ever marched, all the navies that ever sailed, all the parliaments that ever sat, and all the kings that ever reigned put together (Yes) have not affected the life of man on this earth (Amen) as much as that one solitary life. His name may be a familiar one. (Jesus) But today I can hear them talking about him. Every now and then somebody says, "He's King of Kings." (Yes) And again I can hear somebody saying, "He's Lord of Lords." Somewhere else I can hear somebody saying, "In Christ there is no East nor West." (Yes) And then they go on and talk about, "In Him there's no North and South, but one great Fellowship of Love throughout the whole wide world." He didn't have anything. (Amen) He just went around serving and doing good.

This morning, you can be on his right hand and his left hand if you serve. (Amen) It's the only way in.

Every now and then I guess we all think realistically (Yes, sir) about that day when we will be victimized with what is life's final common denominatorthat something that we call death. We all think about it. And every now and then I think about my own death and I think about my own funeral. And I don't think of it in a morbid sense. And every now and then I ask myself, "What is it that I would want said?" And I leave the word to you this morning.

If any of you are around when I have to meet my day, I dont want a long funeral. And if you get somebody to deliver the eulogy, tell them not to talk too long. (Yes) And every now and then I wonder what I want them to say. Tell them not to mention that I have a Nobel Peace Prizethat isnt important. Tell them not to mention that I have three or four hundred other awardsthats not important. Tell them not to mention where I went to school. (Yes)

I'd like somebody to mention that day that Martin Luther King, Jr., tried to give his life serving others. (Yes)

I'd like for somebody to say that day that Martin Luther King, Jr., tried to love somebody.

I want you to say that day that I tried to be right on the war question. (Amen)

I want you to be able to say that day that I did try to feed the hungry. (Yes)

And I want you to be able to say that day that I did try in my life to clothe those who were naked. (Yes)

I want you to say on that day that I did try in my life to visit those who were in prison. (Lord)

I want you to say that I tried to love and serve humanity. (Yes)

Yes, if you want to say that I was a drum major, say that I was a drum major for justice. (Amen) Say that I was a drum major for peace. (Yes) I was a drum major for righteousness. And all of the other shallow things will not matter. (Yes) I won't have any money to leave behind. I won't have the fine and luxurious things of life to leave behind. But I just want to leave a committed life behind. (Amen) And that's all I want to say.

If I can help somebody as I pass along,

If I can cheer somebody with a word or song,

If I can show somebody he's traveling wrong,

Then my living will not be in vain.

If I can do my duty as a Christian ought,

If I can bring salvation to a world once wrought,

If I can spread the message as the master taught,

Then my living will not be in vain.

Yes, Jesus, I want to be on your right or your left side, (Yes) not for any selfish reason. I want to be on your right or your left side, not in terms of some political kingdom or ambition. But I just want to be there in love and in justice and in truth and in commitment to others, so that we can make of this old world a new world.

Delivered at Ebenezer Baptist Church, Atlanta, Georgia, on 4 February 1968.

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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-05 10:51 AM
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33. awesome!
:applause:


We are now faced with the fact, my friends, that tomorrow is today. We are confronted with the fierce urgency of now. In this unfolding conundrum of life and history, there is such a thing as being too late. Procrastination is still the thief of time. Life often leaves us standing bare, naked, and dejected with a lost opportunity. The tide in the affairs of men does not remain at flood -- it ebbs. We may cry out desperately for time to pause in her passage, but time is adamant to every plea and rushes on. Over the bleached bones and jumbled residues of numerous civilizations are written the pathetic words, "Too late." There is an invisible book of life that faithfully records our vigilance or our neglect. Omar Khayyam is right: "The moving finger writes, and having writ moves on."


MLK April 4 1967
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-05 11:46 AM
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34. Excellent post.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-05 09:28 PM
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48. Thank you, but I am not worthy to be mentioned in same sentence.
Dr. King, now there was a man. The closet of his most secret self was pried open by J Edgar Hoover for all to see. And he was found to be a good man.

My wife met a group of student artists -- dancers, singers and performance artists from South Africa who were in Detroit for a residency at Wayne State University. The young people represented ALL races and ethnic heritages living in South Africa. They were also invited to help celebrate the opening of the Charles H. Wright Museum of African-American History.

After the performance, in a Q-and-A session with the audience, one of the kids said: "We are here to celebrate your King." The Detroiters had no clue what the guy was talking about. "Dr. Martin Luther King. His words and his example kept our hope alive and kept us moving forward. We never gave up until we were all free."

Now there was a man, talking about a real man who can make change.

Me? I just read a lot and tell people what I've found. In the virtual community of DU, I've found some real friends. Thank you so very much, seemslikeadream.
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DistressedAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-05 11:53 AM
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35. Well Illustrated! Kick and Nomination!
:applause:
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-05 12:15 PM
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38. Nominated Octafish! You rock !

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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-05 09:30 PM
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49. I was trying to write something on the Plame Affair. The words ...
... of which were escaping me. All I could think about was what the BFEE is doing to our country, our planet and our brothers and sisters. I thought the images would be brutal, but true.
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w8liftinglady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-05 11:55 AM
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36. Awesome and disturbing post
some of my co-workers don't believe we are committing war crimes-especially to children.I showed them this post today,and we all cried.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-05 10:01 PM
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50. If I weren't seeing it with my own eyes, I might not believe it.
The Bush Gang started a war and don't care who gets killed, maimed or orphaned. It isn't the first time.

During Iran-Iraq War, Reagan-Bush took both sides and armed Saddam to the teeth, getting Iraq de-listed from the Terrorist Nation roll and then selling stuff to the Ayatollah, who'd bombed the USMC barracks in Beirut and conveniently held all those hostages, under the table.


Later on, when peace broke out and the profits of war went down, George Herbert Walker Bush gave his official blessing to Saddam's invasion of Kuwait. Here's the transcript from when the acting ambassador gave Saddam his green light for good-to-go.





April Glaspie's Interview with Saddam Hussein

EXCERPT...

HUSSEIN: The price at one stage had dropped to $12 a barrel and a reduction in the modest Iraqi budget of $6 billion to $7 billion is a disaster.

GLASPIE: I think I understand this. I have lived here for years. I admire your extraordinary efforts to rebuild your country. I know you need funds. We understand that and our opinion is that you should have the opportunity to rebuild your country. But we have no opinion on the Arab-Arab conflicts, like your border disagreement with Kuwait.

I was in the American Embassy in Kuwait during the late 60's. The instruction we had during this period was that we should express no opinion on this issue and that the issue is not associated with America. James Baker has directed our official spokesmen to emphasize this instruction. We hope you can solve this problem using any suitable methods via Klibi or via President Mubarak. All that we hope is that these issues are solved quickly. With regard to all of this, can I ask you to see how the issue appears to us?

My assessment after 25 years' service in this area is that your objective must have strong backing from your Arab brothers. I now speak of oil But you, Mr. President, have fought through a horrific and painful war. Frankly, we can see only that you have deployed massive troops in the south. Normally that would not be any of our business. But when this happens in the context of what you said on your national day, then when we read the details in the two letters of the Foreign Minister, then when we see the Iraqi point of view that the measures taken by the U.A.E. and Kuwait is, in the final analysis, parallel to military aggression against Iraq, then it would be reasonable for me to be concerned. And for this reason, I received an instruction to ask you, in the spirit of friendship -- not in the spirit of confrontation -- regarding your intentions.

I simply describe the position of my Government. And I do not mean that the situation is a simple situation. But our concern is a simple one.

CONTINUED...

http://www.chss.montclair.edu/english/furr/glaspie.html



Don't take my word on how the Bush Family Evil Empire operates. Check out how they lied to Congress, back in 1990, to set the stage for war. They even showed FAKE satellite photos depicting Saddam's army poised to strike Saudi Arabia and all our oil. I kid you not.



Our Government Has Already Been
Caught Lying About Iraq

It turned out that the "Iraqi troops satellite photos" were fake


"We were told that Iraqi troops were massing at the Saudi border. And these satellite photographs were shown to the Saudi leadership, to get them to change their mind and allow US troops to enter their country.

Well it turned out that those satellite photos were fake. They never existed. The story was broken in the St. Petersburg Times some months later. And it was something that people were convinced of because we were told it was satellite photographs"- Phyllis Bennis from the Institute for Policy Studies

There was virtual unanimous acceptance by the media of the allegedly enormous manpower behind Saddam's territorial ambition.  Only the St. Petersburg Times, a well-respected Florida daily under independent ownership, challenged the government line.  In a top-of-front-page story published on Sunday, January 6, Washington bureau reporter Jean Heller reported that satellite photos of the border between southern Kuwait and Saudi Arabia taken on September 11 and 13, 1990, by a Soviet company revealed "no evidence of a massive Iraqi presence in Kuwait in September. . . ."  "A number" of American news organizations had bought the same pictures (see article below) and shown them to various experts, Zimmerman said, and "all of us agreed that we couldn't see anything in the way of military activity in the pictures."  But again cautiousness overcame curiosity among the media.( from footnotes to Understanding Power)

CONTINUED...

http://www.representativepress.org/LiesAboutIraq.html



Of course there was no compunction on the part of the BFEE to hold back on unneccesary killings. Ever hear of the "Highway of Death"? That's the main road leading north, out of Kuwait. Bush and Cheney, then Defense secretary, ordered the Pentagon to wipe out the retreating Iraqi army. They were slaughtered by the thousands, mostly conscripts.





The Massacre of Withdrawing Soldiers on "The Highway of Death"

by Joyce Chediac

I want to give testimony on what are called the "highways of death." These are the two Kuwaiti roadways, littered with remains of 2,000 mangled Iraqi military vehicles, and the charred and dismembered bodies of tens of thousands of Iraqi soldiers, who were withdrawing from Kuwait on February 26th and 27th 1991 in compliance with UN resolutions.

U.S. planes trapped the long convoys by disabling vehicles in the front, and at the rear, and then pounded the resulting traffic jams for hours. "It was like shooting fish in a barrel," said one U.S. pilot. The horror is still there to see.

On the inland highway to Basra is mile after mile of burned, smashed, shattered vehicles of every description - tanks, armored cars, trucks, autos, fire trucks, according to the March 18, 1991, Time magazine. On the sixty miles of coastal highway, Iraqi military units sit in gruesome repose, scorched skeletons of vehicles and men alike, black and awful under the sun, says the Los Angeles Times of March 11, 1991. While 450 people survived the inland road bombing to surrender, this was not the case with the 60 miles of the coastal road. There for 60 miles every vehicle was strafed or bombed, every windshield is shattered, every tank is burned, every truck is riddled with shell fragments. No survivors are known or likely. The cabs of trucks were bombed so much that they were pushed into the ground, and it's impossible to see if they contain drivers or not. Windshields were melted away, and huge tanks were reduced to shrapnel.

"Even in Vietnam I didn't see anything like this. It's pathetic," said Major Bob Nugent, an Army intelligence officer. This one-sided carnage, this racist mass murder of Arab people, occurred while White House spokesman Marlin Fitzwater promised that the U.S. and its coalition partners would not attack Iraqi forces leaving Kuwait. This is surely one of the most heinous war crimes in contemporary history.

The Iraqi troops were not being driven out of Kuwait by U.S. troops as the Bush administration maintains. They were not retreating in order to regroup and fight again. In fact, they were withdrawing, they were going home, responding to orders issued by Baghdad, announcing that it was complying with Resolution 660 and leaving Kuwait. At 5:35 p.m. (Eastern standard Time) Baghdad radio announced that Iraq's Foreign Minister had accepted the Soviet cease-fire proposal and had issued the order for all Iraqi troops to withdraw to postions held before August 2, 1990 in compliance with UN Resolution 660. President Bush responded immediately from the White House saying (through spokesman Marlin Fitzwater) that "there was no evidence to suggest the Iraqi army is withdrawing. In fact, Iraqi units are continuing to fight. . . We continue to prosecute the war." On the next day, February 26, 1991, Saddam Hussein announced on Baghdad radio that Iraqi troops had, indeed, begun to withdraw from Kuwait and that the withdrawal would be complete that day. Again, Bush reacted, calling Hussein's announcement "an outrage" and "a cruel hoax."

CONTINUED...

http://deoxy.org/wc/wc-death.htm

More details by former US Attorney General Ramsy Clarke:

http://deoxy.org/wc/warcrime.htm



Sorry about the grotesque pictures. These are far from the worst images of inhumanity to men, women and children.

Thank you for sharing about your friends upon seeing these images. I knew there was a reason for posting them.

Thanks also for the kind words. And a hearty welcome to DU, w8liftinglady!

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w8liftinglady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 07:59 AM
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56. I showed your post to my friends at work
I don't believe we need to sanitize evil.Evil is evil.Thank YOU for assembling this ...we need to be angry and shocked.That's the only way we will mobilize large quantities of democrats to take back power.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-05 12:11 PM
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37. same shit different asshole....


Excellent post Octafish. I needed it after watching that traitor Pat Roberts on Leslie Blitzer's show just now. It was sickening. He pratically accused Joseph Wilson of being the traitor. He said the intelligence commmittee still needs to find out who sent him to Niger... and when they find "Her"!!! Alluding to Valerie Plame sending Joe there!!

It was maddening to hear. And Diane Fienstein sat there like a lump! Where is Larry Johnson? He needs to be on TV and call all of the repukes the nazi Traitors that they are!!!
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-05 10:12 PM
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51. The TV execs may not be spared their share of the guilt.
Remember how Corporate McPravda sounded the trumpet for war in Iraq?

They, almost as much as Congress, share the blame for what has happened: Big Media told the American people the lies spun by Turd Blossom, Libby, Card the car salesman, Sneering Dick Cheney and Smirk, the Idion Son.



HANDMAIDEN OF THE STATE
ROLE OF MEDIA IN THE AGE OF EMPIRE


By: Justin Raimondo

Does the media have an obligation to tell the truth? In discussing my topic with Joe Varada – who was kind enough to ask me here to speak to you – this question immediately came up, and it set me off on a whole train of thought, helping clarify my own view of exactly what is happening in this country – and why I find it so frightening.

SNIP...

An entire sub-agency of the Pentagon, known as the Office of Special Plans, was engaged in the manufacture of these talking points – half-truths, and, yes, outright lies – all of which were packaged and disseminated at U.S. taxpayers' expense.

To take just one example: aluminum tubes that were touted as definitive evidence of Iraq's nuclear program were later discovered to be completely inadequate for those purposes. You'll remember that in the months leading up to the war, there was a debate carried out in the media between pro- and anti-war factions of the U.S. intelligence community, with the former located in the top civilian ranks of the Pentagon and the latter concentrated in the Central Intelligence Agency. CIA agents, at that time, were cited as saying the Office of Special Plans went to the National Security Council with the aluminum tubes story, then leaked it to the New York Times. Both the president and then-National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice then cited this story as "proof" that Iraq was threatening its neighbors and had to be stopped. Voices from the scientific community – who said from the very beginning that the tubes were useless for the sinister purposes imputed by the administration – were drowned out in the storm of propaganda.

Also drowned out – by a chorus of jeers – was Scott Ritter, the former UN weapons inspector, who was smeared by the War Party as an agent of Saddam for saying, from the start, what U.S. and UN officials wound up officially concluding: that Iraq had destroyed its major weapons stockpiles right after the 1991 Gulf war.


As described by Jim Lobe in a series of articles on Antiwar.com, and also by Seymour Hersh at the New Yorker, Julian Borger of the Guardian, and Robert Dreyfuss and Jason Vest in Mother Jones, the Office of Special Plans was, as Lobe puts it, "part of a broader network of neoconservative ideologues and activists who worked with other Bush political appointees scattered around the national-security bureaucracy to move the country to war."

The main thrust of this campaign – in addition to "proving" the existence of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction – was to make the connection between Iraq and al-Qaeda – thus justifying the president's constant theme of "we're fighting the enemy in Iraq so we don't have to fight them in the streets of Chicago." It was only after the invasion was a fait accompli that we found out these alleged links were without any basis. The 9/11 commission contradicted this constantly reiterated theme of Iraqi responsibility for the worst terrorist attack in American history by bluntly stating there is "no credible evidence" that Saddam Hussein helped al-Qaeda target the United States.

CONTINUED w lots o' LINKS:

http://www.etherzone.com/2005/raim031605.shtml



Justin Raimondo hit a home run. And things have only gotten worse. And the press corpse continues the Big Lie. Too bad ALL of Big Media have no heart for the Truth. It is Göbbels' dream come true.

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w8liftinglady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-05 04:13 PM
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42. kick this great post
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-05 06:36 PM
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43. Bookmarked, nominated, and kicked!
Good job. Everyone in America should see this!
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-05 11:32 PM
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52. People say the NAZIs were very different. They killed millions.
True, the NAZIs killed millions. Bush has only killed many tens of thousands or a few hundred thousand. But Bush isn't done yet.



If I may add something of possible interest, a bit on how Bush got on his NAZI:



Nazis in the CIA closet:
The Origins of Fascism
in the United States


By Christian Dewar

"Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster."
-- Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche


The events of September 11th have served as a disconnect for many Americans who wonder why it is that some people hate this country enough to perpetrate such a horrendous act of terrorism on against a democratic country. The Statue of Liberty beckons the world's citizens to our shores. The inscription on this monument by Emma Lazarus reads:

"Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breath free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shores, Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me: I lift my lamp beside the golden door."

George W. Bush says that the terrorists envy and hate this country because we are a freedom loving democracy. Simplistic, disingenuous and inane as an explanation, those who do try to answer the question, 'Why do they hate us?' are criticized as unpatriotic. They are accused of 'Blaming America First'. Organizations with very close ties to this administrations such as Lynne Cheney's American Council of Trustees and Alumni, and the Americans for Victory Over Terrorism are denouncing academics who have dared to address this burning question. Yet, it would be a disservice to hide our heads in the sand and ignore the terrorist's rationale for such horrendous attacks.

The truth is that America hasn't always been a good citizen of the world. Our country has intervened in many countries to overthrow democracies and subvert the will of the people. We have established and supported dictatorships and built armies to maintain totalitarian governments in office. Even a cursory examination of the United State's involvement in such countries as Iran, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Indonesia, Zaire, Angola, Nicaragua, Chile, Haiti, the Dominican Republic, El Salvador, Panama, Guatemala, Grenada, Honduras and other countries will demonstrate that far from bringing democracy to the world, we have frequently destroyed it.

American institutions such as the School of the Americas have trained many foreigners who perpetrated murders, kidnappings, terrorism and genocide. Wars have been waged without the consent of our citizens or our elected representatives. Army installations such as the School of the Americas have trained foreign soldiers involved in massacres, genocide and terrorism. Booklets distributed by the CIA to the Contras advocated torture, kidnapping, assassination and terror techniques to control the population. Our intelligence agencies have cooperated with the Mafia, drug traffickers, dictators and other criminals. How is it that our country whose citizens perceive it to be a beacon to the 'huddled masses' came to embrace many aspects of a fascistic regime?

Author Kathryn S. Olmstead, in her book 'Challenging the Secret Government' quotes General James Doolittle discussing the tactics that he thought the U.S. would need to employ in the impending war with the Soviets: 'Hitherto acceptable norms of human conduct do not apply...If the United States is to survive, long-standing American concepts of 'fair play' must be reconsidered. We must develop effective espionage and counterespionage services and must learn to subvert, sabotage and destroy our enemies by more clever, more sophisticated, and more effective methods that those used against us. It may become necessary that the American people be made acquainted with, understand and support this fundamentally repugnant philosophy."

CONTINUED...

http://archive.democrats.com/view.cfm?id=9099



Here're a few articles of interest, all things directly associated with the BFEE:



Nazi Echo

CIA's Worst-Kept Secret

Newly released documents confirm that U.S. intelligence recruited and protected hundreds of Nazi war criminals after World War II. By Martin A. Lee. May 16, 2001


Ashcroft & Anti-Semitism
In a speech at Bob Jones University, John Ashcroft -- now the attorney general-designate -- overstated the alleged role of the Jews of ancient Jerusalem in the crucifixion of Jesus. January 16, 2001.

Clinton 'Tasks' Release of Chile Secrets
Political risk from Pinochet case spreads. By Peter Kornbluh. May 8, 1999

Pinochet's Mad Scientist
A potential witness against ex-Chilean dictator Augusto Pinochet was silenced in a murder mystery that shows the continuing power of the Operation Condor assassination network. By Samuel Blixen. January 13, 1999

The Judge & the Dictator
Spain’s ‘superjudge,’ Baltasar Garzon, followed a winding road in his pursuit of Gen. Augusto Pinochet. By Alvaro Tizon. January 13, 1999

Evita, the Swiss & the Nazis
New evidence, including documents from Swiss archives, buttresses old suspicions that Argentine legend Eva Peron helped pull together the loose ends of a Nazi escape network after World War II. These “ratlines” turned Argentina and South America into safe havens for fugitive followers of Adolf Hitler and Benito Mussolini -- with violent consequences that continue to the present day. By Georg Hodel. January 7, 1999

Kohl's Defeat & Hitler's Ghost
The compromises of Germany's World War II generation. October 25, 1998

The Chile Coup -- The U.S. Hand
Pinochet's arrest and Nixon's secret war to "save" Chile. October 25, 1998

A Nazi Echo: Argentine Death Camps & the Contras
Argentine Dirty Warriors implicated in funnelling drug money to the Nicaraguan contras were also connected to a Nazi-like scheme of plundering the personal property of death camp victims, with the proceeds going into Swiss banks. Sept. 19, 1998

Argentina's Dapper State-Terrorist
Former Argentine dictator Jorge Rafael Videla, another Reagan favorite, faces new charges in a baby-harvesting scandal. August 19, 1998

SOURCE w LINKS to Full Articles:

http://www.consortiumnews.com/archive/nazi.html




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sintax Donating Member (891 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-05 09:22 PM
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47. So Shines a Good Deed in a Weary World
- Willy Wonka

It is time for us all to stop living the lie that is America. Only then can we move on.

"We carry in our hearts the true country
And that cannot be stolen
We follow in the steps of our ancestry
And that cannot be broken"

The Dead Heart - Midnight Oil
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-05 11:42 PM
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53. Ripples.
Bush has not conquered America or the world. He and his ilk like Sneer and Turd Blossom want us to think they have. What they never can understand is what the human mind and heart and spirit are capable of doing. And when united, there is no stopping the Good.

Here's how Robert F. Kennedy described it, exactly two years before his death:



Address of Senator Robert F. Kennedy: Day of Affirmation
University of Capetown, South Africa


June 6, 1966

Mr. Chancellor, Mr. Vice Chancellor, Professor Robertson, Mr. Diamond, Mr. Daniel, Ladies and Gentlemen:

I come here this evening because of my deep interest and affection for a land settled by the Dutch in the mid-seventeenth century, then taken over by the British, and at last independent; a land in which the native inhabitants were at first subdued, but relations with whom remain a problem to this day; a land which defined itself on a hostile frontier; a land which has tamed rich natural resources through the energetic application of modern technology; a land which was once the importer of slaves, and now must struggle to wipe out the last traces of that former bondage. I refer, of course, to the United States of America.

SNIP...

Our answer is the world's hope; it is to rely on youth. The cruelties and the obstacles of this swiftly changing planet will not yield to obsolete dogmas and outworn slogans. It cannot be moved by those who cling to a present which is already dying, who prefer the illusion of security to the excitement and danger which comes with even the most peaceful progress. This world demands the qualities of youth: not a time of life but a state of mind, a temper of the will, a quality of imagination, a predominance of courage over timidity, of the appetite for adventure over the life of ease -- a man like the Chancellor of this University. It is a revolutionary world that we all live in; and thus, as I have said in Latin America and Asia and in Europe and in my own country, the United States, it is the young people who must take the lead. Thus you, and your young compatriots everywhere have had thrust upon you a greater burden of responsibility than any generation that has ever lived.

"There is," said an Italian philosopher, "nothing more difficult to take in hand, more perilous to conduct, or more uncertain in its success than to take the lead in the introduction of a new order of things." Yet this is the measure of the task of your generation and the road is strewn with many dangers.

First is the danger of futility; the belief there is nothing one man or one woman can do against the enormous array of the world's ills -- against misery, against ignorance, or injustice and violence. Yet many of the world's great movements, of thought and action, have flowed from the work of a single man. A young monk began the Protestant reformation, a young general extended an empire from Macedonia to the borders of the earth, and a young woman reclaimed the territory of France. It was a young Italian explorer who discovered the New /world, and 32 year old Thomas Jefferson who proclaimed that all men are created equal. "Give me a place to stand," said Archimedes, "and I will move the world." These men moved the world, and so can we all. Few will have the greatness to bend history; but each of us can work to change a small portion of the events, and in the total of all these acts will be written the history of this generation. Thousands of Peace Corps volunteers are making a difference in the isolated villages and the city slums of dozens of countries. Thousands of unknown men and women in Europe resisted the occupation of the Nazis and many died, but all added to the ultimate strength and freedom of their countries. It is from numberless diverse acts of courage such as these that the belief that human history is thus shaped. Each time a man stands up for an ideal, or acts to improve the lot of others, or strikes out against injustice, he sends forth a tiny ripple of hope, and crossing each other from a million different centers of energy and daring those ripples build a current which can sweep down the mightiest walls of oppression and resistance.

"If Athens shall appear great to you," said Pericles, "consider then that her glories were purchased by valiant men, and by men who learned their duty." That is the source of all greatness in all societies, and it is the key to progress in our own time.

CONTINUED...

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Photo of the day From the Stripes archives
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Ted Rohde ©Stars and Stripes
Friedberg, Germany, June 25, 1964: Attorney General Robert Kennedy talks with Capt. Norman L. Carlton, right, V Corps Long Range Recon Patrol Co. commanding officer, before a tactical show at the Friedberg training area. At center is Lt. Gen. Creighton W. Abrams, Jr., V Corps commanding general, who had just been nominated as Army vice chief of staff. Abrams later served as commander of U.S. forces in Vietnam and as Army chief of staff.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 06:26 AM
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54. This thread is too good to drop....
Edited on Mon Jul-25-05 06:26 AM by leftchick
and it is hard to keep up with all of the additional posts from Octafish and others. This is an excellent Must Read Thread!

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55. I Agree LC. There Is Much To See Here.
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K-W Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 09:36 PM
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59. And on an historical note.
The Nazi's were to a large degree inspired by Imperial America, its genocide, its propaganda, its finely crafted subtle facism.
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