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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 10:14 PM
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Larry Johnson, CIA vs President Bush
Edited on Mon Jul-25-05 10:27 PM by understandinglife
JOHNSON versus PRESIDENT BUSH

by Larry C Johnson


July 25, 2005

With the rightwing smear machine gearing up to try to draw attention from the treasonous behavior of prominent White House officials who participated in the outting of CIA undercover officer, Valerie Plame, it is time to look back and determine who was right on Iraq? Me or the President?

The rightwing is resurrecting an op-ed I wrote in July 2001. I stand by the full article. It is still relevant today. I am accused, incorrectly, of ignoring the threat of terrorism. In fact, I correctly noted that the real threat emanated from Bin Laden and Islamic extremism.

President Bush, for his part, ignored the CIA warning in August of 2001 that Al Qaeda was posed to strike inside the United States.

Reprinted below is the article I wrote in January 2003. My key warning is contained in the second paragraph. I wrote, "In fact there is a serious risk that a U.S. led war against Iraq may crystallize the diffused anger in the Arab and Muslim world -- a heretofore unattained goal of bin Laden and his followers -- and persuade more Muslim youths to take up the terrorist banner against American and her citizens."

Full article at the link:

http://noquarter.typepad.com/my_weblog/2005/07/johnson_versus_.html


This requires no further comment.


Peace.

www.missionnotaccomplished.us

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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 10:15 PM
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1. White House & their myth-making machine eh?
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 10:33 PM
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2. And, today, PNAC boss Schmitt attacks Larry Johnson -- per TPMCafe
Not a surprise; these guys are being exposed and they know it:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4188467&mesg_id=4189385




Peace.

www.missionnotaccomplished.us - How ever long it takes, the day must come when tens of millions of caring individuals peacefully but persistently defy the dictator, deny the corporatists their cash flow, and halt the evil being done in Iraq and in all the other places the Bu$h neoconster regime is destroying civilization and the environment in the name of "America."

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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 10:38 PM
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3. BUSH KNEW -- Evidence from Summer 2001.
Bush knew that bin Laden represented a threat. That's why he slept offshore at his first G-8 summit, in Genoa. The coward from Crawford thought a big fancy airplane would land on his little pillow.



Plot to assassinate Bush - reports

Bin Laden: Believed to have a network of guerrillas


July 9, 2001 Posted: 9:23 AM EDT (1323 GMT)

MOSCOW, Russia -- Osama bin Laden has threatened to assassinate U.S. President George W. Bush at a G8 meeting in Italy, the head of Russia's Federal Bodyguard Service has said, according to reports.

The Associated Press said Yevgeny Murov was quoted by Itar-Tass news agency as saying: "Bin Laden is threatening the American president, but we know what international terrorism is today and therefore all the bodyguard units concerned are preparing for this.

"We view the threats as totally serious, but hope that with joint efforts we can solve all the problems."

The Group of Eight summit is meeting between July 20-22 in Genoa, Italy. Leaders from Britain, Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, Russia and the United States are expected to attend the summit.

Murov -- Russian President Vladimir Putin's chief bodyguard -- did not elaborate on the threats. He said agents from Russia's Federal Bodyguard Service have travelled to Genoa to coordinate with their counterparts from the other nations taking part in the summit to investigate the threats.

CONTINUED...

http://archives.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/europe/06/20/russia.binladen/



Don't think Smirko didn't take the threat seriously. He had NATO ring the town with the best SAMs money could buy.



Missiles to protect summit leaders

Special report: globalisation


Rory Carroll in Rome
Wednesday July 11, 2001
The Guardian

Italy has installed a missile defence system at Genoa's airport to deter airborne attacks during next week's G8 summit, fuelling hysteria about looming violence.

A land-based battery of rockets with a range of nine miles and an altitude of 5,000 feet has been positioned in the latest security measure against perceived threats from terrorists and protesters.

Unidentified planes, helicopters and balloons risk being shot down should they drift too close to the heads of state from the group of seven leading industrialised nations and Russia.
Colonel Alberto Battaglini, of the ministry of defence, said the precaution was not exces sive. "The measure, which was planned by the previous government, may seem open to criticism, but in reality it is merely to act as a deterrent against any aerial incursion during the summit.

"They are little missiles ... which only have a deterrent function to discourage any aerial-led attack and they do not present any danger to the residents of the city," he said.

CONTINUED...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/globalisation/story/0,7369,519925,00.html





Bush is a war criminal. And a traitor.
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BillZBubb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 10:41 PM
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4. Larry Johnson knows we haven't always been at war with EastAsia
Too many sheeple now believe we have been. It's amazing how the right is able to take a position where they were totally wrong and turn around and convince most people that they were right all along.

It's just incomprehensible to me.
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klyon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 05:22 AM
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12. I know
I am baffled. Makes no sense except that, people believe what they want to believe. I guess they will never admit what is too painful. They have everything invested in Bush, they can't afford to look too close they may be standing on nothing.

KL
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 10:41 PM
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5. Bu$hco is a state sponsored terrorist network. nt
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 11:44 PM
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6. Brad Blog: "Attack Johnson! GOP Operatives Recieve Their New Rove Marching
... Orders.

Link:

http://www.bradblog.com/archives/00001628.htm


Peace.

www.missionnotaccomplished.us
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 11:51 PM
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7. Just like they are trying to smear Fitz.
The repuke smear campaign is trying to cover the pillsburyrove boy's butt.

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Hieronymus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 01:54 AM
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8. Larry Johnson is awesome.
:yourock:
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Tesla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 04:42 AM
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10. Yeah Mr. J
Ya sure you don't want to come over to our side? Being a Republican must leave a bad taste in your mouth now.
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 01:41 PM
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18. I think his heart is with us now, but....
He is a more effective spokesman as a Republican. Just my thought.

He can still campaign and support us if he wants to. Like a "Republicans for Sanity" group.

--IMM
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 02:58 AM
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9. IMO, these rat bastards are running out of time.
They appear to be drowning in their own excrement.

Peace.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 05:04 AM
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11. Some former and even still employed CIA are not happy with..
the Bush Regime. Some of these folk have training. Nuff said.
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 01:35 PM
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17. Yep.
;-)
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 09:36 AM
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13. "By evening, as Air Force One lifted off, ..... --
Michael in NY at Americablog (as is often the case) noted this interesting item in Mr Shane's article on Sunday:

One day after Joe Wilson's public comments, Bush admitted he couldn't back up what he said. They've tried to prevaricate and lie and whitewash this admission. They've smeared Joe Wilson and attacked his wife and endangered his children and weakened national security all in an attempt to discredit it. But the White House never has and never will take back that retraction. They can't.


<clip> The president's aides, including Ari Fleischer, his press secretary, and National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice, would attempt to blunt Mr. Wilson's claims in on-the-record briefings, before Air Force Once took off for Senegal and then for the correspondents following the president as he traveled around Africa.

Meanwhile, those left in charge at the White House, including Karl Rove, the president's political guru, and I. Lewis Libby Jr., chief of staff to Mr. Cheney, would spend part of the week trying to defuse the controversy over the State of the Union address.

The White House response began at 9:30 a.m. on July 7, a Monday, as Mr. Fleischer briefed the press at the White House. "There is zero, nada, nothing new here," he said of Mr. Wilson's claims. But under questioning, Mr. Fleischer's account became murkier. He seemed to concede, before backing away, that Mr. Bush's entire statement about Saddam Hussein's search for uranium in Africa might have been flawed.

By evening, as Air Force One lifted off, officials on the plane were calling The Times and The Washington Post to make it clear that they no longer stood behind Mr. Bush's statement about the uranium - the first such official concession on the sensitive issue of the intelligence that led to the war.

From Ex-Diplomat's Surprise Volley on Iraq Drove White House Into Political Warfare Mode

By SCOTT SHANE


July 24, 2005

Link:
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/24/politics/politicsspecial1/24leak.html?pagewanted=print


They knew it was all a lie as they presented to the UN and the Congress.

They knew it was all a lie long before the State of the Union address.

They knew it was all a lie when they launched their overt war of aggression.

They knew it was all a lie when they intentionally outed Ms Plame and began their withering attack on Ambassador Wilson.

They know today it was all a lie and they continue their illegal occupation of Iraq and their incessant efforts to smear Ambassador and Mrs Wilson and all the patriots, like Larry Johnson, who have tried to save the Republic by alerting their fellow citizens that it was all a pack of lies.

My fellow Americans, Bush, Cheney and all their neoconster war criminal buddies are a pack of evil liars, traitors, torturers and murderers. That is not a difficult sentence to comprehend, is it.


Peace.

www.missionnotaccomplished.us







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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 09:42 AM
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14. Beautifully done, understandinglife!
Thank you!


:kick:

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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 11:17 AM
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16. "a story that illuminates a signature disgrace of the Bush presidency"
<clip>It was, in fact, a story that had everything to do with politics and not much to do with national security -- a story that illuminates a signature disgrace of the Bush presidency: its tendency to treat the war in Iraq as an issue to be spun, rather than a life-and-death struggle to be won.

In this case the White House was trying to "knock down" a former ambassador, Joseph Wilson, who had disputed the claim--made by President Bush in his State of the Union address--that Iraq attempted to buy uranium in Niger. The Administration had built its case for war on the probability that Saddam Hussein had "reconstituted," in Vice President Dick Cheney's felicitous and inaccurate phrase, his nuclear-weapons program. Eventually, the White House was forced to retract the Niger claim.

<clip>

The election is long over, but the campaign-style spinning persists. Last week, after Rove's name was divulged, the Republican National Committee engaged in a freestyle vitriol spew, attempting once again to discredit Wilson and suggest that Rove was merely trying to "knock down" a bum story. This was so much smoke and baloney -- and all too typical of the persistent fecklessness on the part of the Administration and its allies when it comes to Iraq.

Cheney continues to spin dross from the hard currency of military intelligence: he recently said that the insurgency was in its "last throes." The President makes a prime-time television address to the nation about Iraq in late June and merely rehearses campaign platitudes without offering a serious discussion of the problems on the ground and the real sacrifices needed to overcome them.

From Stop trying to spin the Iraq war

by Joe Klein


July 25, 2005

Link:
http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/07/25/klein.iraq.tm/


What is most significant about this item is that it is written by someone who still thinks we should send more troops, 'root out the insurgency,' .... blah, blah, blah. Thus, the criticism indicates the growing frustration among those who would be ardent supporters of the neocon agenda as long as we were winning 'the war on terrorism.'

Mr. Klein best expresses his frustration with -- "There are, after all, oaths more important than those between reporters and sources. One is the oath between the Commander in Chief and his people. I mean, Mr. President, you are going to protect us on this, right?

Let me answer that question honestly - Nope.

The only people who are going to protect America are those of us who go to the White House and demand that Mr Bush, Mr Cheney and their neoconster entourage exit.


Peace.

www.missionnotaccomplished.us
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 10:03 AM
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15. "Senator Pat Roberts of Kansas has clearly chosen the latter."
Sometimes it’s not the crime or the cover-up that does you in. Sometimes it’s the counter-attack.

Plamegate (aka the Rove-Libby-Gonzalez-Card scandal) is truly opening a window on the soul of the Republican Party … and it’s not a pretty view. We've seen the GOP attack machine in action many times before. But this time, the targets of the smears are intertwined with national security concerns -- putting the attackers in the tricky position of having to choose which comes first, their country or their party.

Senator Pat Roberts of Kansas has clearly chosen the latter. No longer is the smear campaign confined to the surrogates on the margins, now Roberts has opted to use the Senate to do his dirty work.

<clip>

My guess is that one person who won't be testifying at Senator Roberts' hearings is Larry Johnson, the former CIA analyst who has spoken out on Plame’s behalf. Too bad, because it turns out he's got a very solid grasp of the concept of “undercover” and might be able to enlighten chairman Roberts. You know, generically speaking…

From Covert Operative: Sen. Roberts Uses the Cover of the Senate to Flame Plame

by Arianna Huffington


July 26, 2005

Link:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/theblog/archive/arianna-huffington/covert-operative-sen-ro_4692.html


"Party over country" ... the neoconsters never consider 'country,' or 'law,' or 'humanity' -- nope, it's power and money, all the way, all the time.

Any question, just check this item on one of their biggest supporters - and why would anyone be surprised that he's made his fortune as a 'hedge fund' manager (fancy term for using a database and some algorithms to gamble; and, if you're any good at it, you only bet other people's money):

<clip>Bruce Kovner would never raise his voice in the provocative manner of that morning’s panel, but he has continually underwritten hard-right ideas, giving them legitimacy in political discourse. Lefties may dominate discussions in universities and New York dinner parties, but neocons never fade into that distance. They hang around Pennsylvania Avenue.

Kovner, over two decades, has underwritten the infrastructure the neocons have used to achieve their current prominence. On the fifth floor of the AEI building, the Project for the New American Century helped lay the ground for the Iraq war by regular statements describing Saddam Hussein as the greatest threat to peace in the Middle East. The Sun ran an editorial asserting that people protesting the Iraq war were committing treason, while AEI’s Perle and David Frum published An End to Evil, in which they argued that extreme Islam wants to dominate the world, and the U.S. faces “victory or holocaust.” The U.S. should show as little compunction about “destroying regimes” as a police sniper feels icing a hostage-taker. When George Bush was elected in 2000, Dick Cheney swept in a raft of neoconservative thinkers, many from AEI.

<clip>

The hedge king’s country borders are heavily defended. The shapely wooden gates are all locked. The berms keep the curious from glimpsing the glades and rock walls and water features that visitors have said lie inside. Still, it appears that “Altamont Farms” is even more impressive than Kovner’s pied-à-terre. You can see the hilltop manor house from the road, and something else that seems brick Federalist, something else in Carpenter Gothic. Then there is the “Glass House Complex,” a stunning array of large greenhouses adjoined by a barn and the head gardener’s residence. The spread is the best answer there is to Kovner’s revolutionary Russian grandfather, for it is Tolstoyan in scope. Neighbors talk of his indifference to invitations from the horsey set, even as he brings in trailer-truckloads of exotic trees and plants. It is always the same story with him: lordly, vast, abstract, and ringed by fear.

Link:
http://newyorkmetro.com/nymetro/news/people/features/12353/index5.html



Know your enemy.


Peace.

www.missionnotaccomplished.us
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 01:48 PM
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19. I think Pat Roberts will hit a wall with this one.
Think about who he is taking on here with, "You CIA operatives don't really need to be under cover, do you?"

I bet this project disappears fast. :rofl:

--IMM
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