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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 01:39 PM
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Rethugs: Photos shouldn't be released in order to protect U.S. soldiers
This is something I read on another site-not FR-where rethugs posted that the release of the photos will greatly imperil U.S. soldiers and that's why the photos shouldn't be released.

This strikes me as a total bullsh*t reason, since I feel that releasing the photos will bring us closer to exposing the *Co bastards for the evil monsters that they really are, help to stop the war and will ultimately help to bring about the impeachment of *!

However, at the same time I'm wondering what everyone else thinks about this rethug POV here on DU.

:freak:
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ibegurpard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 01:40 PM
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1. What would protect U.S. soldiers
is ensuring that we have the world's trust that they will never treat people in this fashion again. A cover-up only fuels that distrust.
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 01:40 PM
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2. Protect them from what? Prison?
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 01:48 PM
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15. Sorry, I didn't make that clear...
the rethugs who posted this argument used as an example, the private american contractors who were tortured and hung in public. They think similar things will happen to U.S. soldiers.
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MsTryska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 01:42 PM
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3. when you're raping little kids you deserve no protection....
besides - aren't these pictures of the people who've alreayd prosecuted for this stuff.


isn't it more in the same series - not brand new ones?
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Goldmund Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 01:43 PM
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4. Well, Rethugs,
that's what we mean when we say that one of the reasons we should obey Geneva convetions is to protect our own troops.

TORTURING is what put these troops in peril. And every damn "insurgent" knows exactly what happened at Abu Ghraib. The only population who is still oblivious is Bushbots at home.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 01:43 PM
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5. That's an admission that the photos are so bad
that they would tend to cause retaliation by Iraqis. At this point, the US government should be issuing a huge apology. It also should be punishing the perpetrators of the torture. If they don't do that, they are ratifying the violence and inviting retaliation against our solders.

Soldiers need to learn that they have to discipline each other and report excessive uses of force if they don't want the public wherever they are in the world to retaliate against them. The same is true for anyone in any workplace. Each of us is responsible for taking a stand against wrongdoing wherever we are. It is simply a moral obligation.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 01:53 PM
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17. I agree-a moral and ethical obligation to do the correct (right) thing.
All everyone on the right wants to do is sweep this horror under the carpet and make excuses as to why.
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 01:43 PM
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6. I think they'd say just about anything at this point.
Yesterday, I read a story here on DU about a man whose "head almost exploded" when told that there were more Abu pics and videos...apparently the DUer even mentioned that Hersh had written about it. The man went nuts. "No way America would do something like that." He also said..."He is a pulitzer prize recipient. He would NEVER write something like that." Well, we know better, don't we? Those pics get released and this admin. had better have a nice island available somewhere...

Peace.
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 01:44 PM
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7. a lack of accountability imperils our soldiers
Saddam's crimes needed to be brought to light, not covered up, so that they could be dealt with.

Ditto with us.
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 01:45 PM
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11. Exactly.
Peace.
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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 01:44 PM
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8. The people of Iraq are already against the US occupation,
that's why the insurgency can strike at will anywhere in the country. The Iraqis already know everything they need to know about the US and its occupying army. These photos will only undermine, further, the support for the war at home; and undermine support for Our Great Leader. It has nothing to do with protecting soldiers - Republicans give a good god damn about soldiers...
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element23 Donating Member (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 02:28 PM
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27. yes
That is so true
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aden_nak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 01:44 PM
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9. Protect them from who? The insurgents KNOW about Abu Ghraib.
In fact, they're kind of, er, insurging? about that sort of thing.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 01:47 PM
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13. Exactly. The word is alrady out in Iraq. It's only here at home that the
pictures will cause "trouble".
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 01:44 PM
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10. Check out the riot they had in Afghanistan outside a US Military Base...
Edited on Tue Jul-26-05 01:47 PM by fooj
"Die America" was the chant. We've seen how well our govt. protects our soldiers...



Afghan protesters demonstrate outside the U.S. base in Bagram, around 50 kilometers (31 miles) north of Kabul, Afghanistan, Tuesday, July 26, 2005. More than 1,000 protesters chanted "Die America!" and "Die Karzai" as they banged on the gates of the main U.S. base in Afghanistan to demand the release of three local villagers detained in a raid.
<snip>

Peace.
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 01:46 PM
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12. Do they have a magnetic ribbon for hiding behind the troops?
I think a lot of them might be disgusted with what the Bush cabal has tarred them with.
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cry baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 01:47 PM
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14. Everyone else in the world has heard of these atrocities already...
our soldiers are already in mortal danger because of the policies of this govt. I do believe things might escalate when these photos are released. * has put us all in danger, not just the soldiers, for years to come.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 01:51 PM
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16. It's a bullshit excuse
The Iraqis already know what took place at Abu Ghraib. Releasing the evidence of war crimes isn't going to increase the danger to them...since that danger is already there...
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 02:04 PM
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18. Agreed...that's what I was thinking too...
Gawd! I just want this war to be over and * & Co gone!

Wish Wish Wish!
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90-percent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 02:06 PM
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19. We're the good guys again
Now that we no longer allow cameras during our torture sessions.

Rumsfeld can come up with good ideas now and then.

-85%
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 02:10 PM
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22. I share your wish
Somethings gotta give.
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whosinpower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 02:06 PM
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20. The truth hurts
But if that is the case - THEN WHY THE FREAKIN HELL ARE THE US SOLDIERS ALLOWED TO PARTICIPATE IN RAPE, MURDER AND TORTURE??????????

Nobody likes the words WAR CRIMINAL - but if you walk the walk, then you must accept the consequences.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 02:08 PM
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21. We all know the real reason the rethugs don't want them released,
Edited on Tue Jul-26-05 02:23 PM by cat_girl25
and that is because it will make their party and their mush-mouth talking president look bad.

(just in case some of you didn't know):-)
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 02:17 PM
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23. You hit the nail on the head...
and how pathetic and twisted that they care more for * than for human rights!

Yeah, they framed it by saying it's for fear of the U.S. soldiers safety, but do they really even care for the soldiers at all in the first place?
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 02:24 PM
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25. "War criminals have not been charged.
"aren't these pictures of the people who've already prosecuted for this stuff?

Only a handful have been charged and prosecuted. Many of these criminals were "Private Contractors". There were photos of quite a few that have never been charged with anything.

The ones that allegedly raped teenagae Iraqi boys and beat pre-ten Iraqi girls, raped Iraqi women have not been charged.

The Amerikan public has been duped once again into a false scenerio. They mostly believe the "few bad apples" and "isolated incidents" lie. The photos that were released already were the milder ones. The ones that are being held back are the most brutal and shocking.

So far, no higher ups except Gen Karpisnky have even been reprimanded. The policy of toture has been a grand cover up.


Rumsfailed Admitted to Violating Geneva Convention

Rumsfailed admitted in public on TV that when CIA Director Tenet requested that an Iraqi prisoner be sent to a secret Afghan/US Prison that Rumsfailed did so. After four months a DOD Attorney stated that this was an illegal act. Rumsfailed then ordered that this prisoner be sent back to Abu Graihib but the prisoner was purposefully not listed at that location, also an illegal act. Rumsfeld also admitted to signing orders for tougher interogation methods which violated the Geneva Conventions.

Rumfailed has commited at least three violations of the Geneva Convention thereby also violations of The Constitution of the USA. Recently it has been found out that even more detainees were "ghost detainees". The fact that Rumsfailed and Tenet have not been charged speaks volumes. If Congress wishes to garner any respect they should move forward with Rep. Rangle's Impeachment Declaration of Rumsfailed and also proscecute Ex. CIA Tenet.

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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 02:24 PM
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24. Protect Amerikan soldiers
Airlift then OUT of Iraq today.
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element23 Donating Member (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 02:25 PM
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26. I can see
where the blowback will be pretty horrible both on the soldiers and on the civilian population.

Still this needs to be exposed.
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leetrisck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 02:30 PM
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28. Sgt. Darby was praised for turning the photos
in (originally). I later read that Sgt Darby and his family were actually in protective custody - what has happened to him? The bush admin always has it both ways.
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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 02:34 PM
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29. is it possible that widespread viewing of these photos
would make us all a little more desensitized and a little more jaded and cynical? or is having them made public the *only* way to achieve justice? personally, i really, really *don't* want to view photos of children being raped (or anyone else for that matter) - and the outcry to see them is as disturbing as the pentagon trying to hide them. quite a dilemma.
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