Enter conspiracy theory here

Outraged and outrageous text goes here. Blend of mis-stated scientific facts and wild-eyed theories goes here. Homespun wisdom drastically simplifying the situation goes here. Appeal to people to think goes here.

Scapegoat goes here.



Begin wait for inevitable flame war now.

:popcorn:

I'm taking a break.

Generic greeting. Elaboration of wild-eyed theory with injection of urban legend optional.

...right wing hate-site that happens to have outlandish editorial supporting my theory.

Wow man! Cool lights! Pass the hummus...

The New World Order and the secret "shadow government" are putting a plan into place to decrease the world's population by 4 billion. AIDS is evidence of this, they will then separate the elite from the commoners that are left and those commoners will live in servitude to the elite.

:tinfoilhat: Disclaimer: Hey, I don't believe it, you asked for outrageous, I just read this on these internets.

Followed by ad-hominem attacks on skeptic. Bonus points to CTist for invoking Hitler or Karl Rove.

Mis-use Occam's Razor. Mis-spell Occam. Expand conspiracy theory to include DU skeptics otherwise immune to Freep accusation.

Claim skeptics are intentionally overlooking what is so plain and obvious to see.

Best post EVAR!!!11!

Next thing you know people will be bringing up the whole "JFK killed by exploding dentures" theory.

:silly:

Bush is nothing more than a tool of the Queen! The invasion of Afghanistan wasn't about oil, it was about opium! All of the Queen's wealth comes from her control of the global drug trade, and she couldn't have a bunch of scruffy wogs cutting in on her action! 9/11 was carried out by MI6 to get the American people to support imperialism! </insanity>

Not drugs!

The invasion of Afghanistan was to prevent anyone from discovering the location of the Queen's Lizard-people spaceship that's hidden in the mountains there.

*ushco and the neo-cons operate. Thats how they sell all their wacky policies to the sleeping public.

...threatened to expose the Apollo moon landing hoax.

Insulting comments regarding your mental health here.

Begin devolution into wild-eyed mouth frothing. Throw accusations of "freeper troll" around now.

Hit alert button. Express shock this post removed. Expand conspiracy theory to involve DU mods. Repeat as necessary.

We direct the conspiracy. Sixty-fourth degree illuminated shadows every one of us, beaming instructions from secret chambers at the earth's core to our minions of the surface world....

But perhaps I have said too much....

"Some contemptible scoundrel stole the cork from my lunch."

Link to kook site as "evidence".

Attack straw man, throw in pseudoscientific babble. Compare doubters to fascists and sheep. Fascist sheep, the worst kind.

"He is that most dangerous of animals...a thinking sheep...."

One thing is for sure; a sheep is not a creature of the air. Notice that they do not so much fly as...plummet.

http://www.ibras.dk/montypython/episode02.htm

No one has ever worked in collusion to do anything, ever.

I know for a FACT that the Reptoids and the Chinese are in charge of the Bilderberg meetings and that they indoctrinate new members at Bohemian Grove.

And you can't disprove it !

They engage in pedophilia and have mind controlled sex slaves that are part of an ultra-secret CIA experiment known as "Project Monarch" where sexually abused children with Multiple Personality Disorder are unwillingly recruited into...

That and the DU admin and mods are really aliens from the planet Zeta Reticuli who are telepathically experimenting with the forum members and recieve ELF beams from the Taos region that regenerate their neuron microcells and have a hive mind.

Dee

Luckily I have a mod-alien proof tinfoil cowboy hat!

That's why DU was conceived by their hive minds. They designed it and BOOM!!! It's here on the internets. It's really nothing but an electronic maze and we are the mice that run through it.

Dee

I mean, heh heh, they were obviously photoshopped.

I don't even want to know.

Dee

And even if you did, they prove nothing !!!
It was cold in the room!

You know why it was like that... don't lie!!!

Dee

I know how you people operate !
You're in on it too, I knew it!

Your logic is flawed... you are being irrational and need help.!! :)

Dee

How dare you attack me?
You are obviously with THEM.

I'm telling...

I am with myself, I help no one and no one helps me.

So go on and tell, who'll believe you anyways?

Dee

Tony Blair is the half-human/half-android love child of Barbara Bush and Karl Rove! 9-11 and the The Plame Leak were both staged to distract the public's attention away from this fact! Osama Bin Laden knew the truth, that's why he was scapegoated as being behind the attacks!

We have to keep this story alive people! Too bad the mainstream media doesn't have the nuggets to report it!

Barbara Bush before she had her sex change was a CIA-agent known as William Dagless who was responsible for leading the Bay of Pigs invasion, but in fact he sabotaged it at the behest of the CIA/Mossad who wanted Kennedy to fall because of it's failure.

After Kennedy managed to hold on to his job, the CIA were determined to get him and then posted Dagless as a Security Service agent with the job of guarding President Kennedy. In Dallas travelling in the motorcade, Dagless assassinated Kennedy and finally got his revenge.

To avoid suspicion Dagless needed to escape and have a good place to hide. At his time in the CIA he was having a homosexual affair with George H W Bush - and Bush meanwhile had fathered several illegitimate children by Mexican prostitutes. Dagless underwent gender reassignment surgery and resurfaced as Barbara Pierce Bush and became the "mother" to George Bush's children.

Dagless' bullet was the one who killed Kennedy. But Lyndon Baines Johnson had organised his own assassination scheme (with the help of the NSA) and managed to keep this hidden from the CIA.

The NSA had picked-up Soviet intercepts and realised that Lee Harvey Oswald had been spying for the KGB. The NSA offered Oswald a way-out - if he killed Kennedy he would receive a de-facto presidential pardon. On the same day that Dagless killed Kennedy Oswald tried to shoot him, but in the confusion had missed - but Dagless taking his opportunity killed the President. As luck would have it, Oswald got blamed and it bought Dagless time.

To stop Oswald from talking, a so-called mafia-linked hitman (but really a Mossad agent) called Jacob Rubenstein (Jack Ruby) killed Oswald.

Despite Ruby being arrested, he was kept in protective custody and with the help of the CIA he faked his own death in Parkland Hospital in 1967 (supposedly dead from a pulmonary embolism) and escaped to Israel.

:evilgrin:

No discussion on these lines could possibly be complete without that request....

Advises respondent that him being doubted is tantamount to obvious moderator oppression and that said moderator is a tool of the NWO. Links to random conspiracy blog with little to do with the accusation. TYPES IN BLOCK CAPS AND ENDS POST IN RANT FILLED WITH OBVIOUS SPELING MSITAKES (sic).

Followed by blank threat to leave DU once and for all.

Just Google "Barbara Bush love child" and see what comes up!

or mildly off-color pun or joke here. Feign naivete if called on it.

JFK - killed by Mossad, Bobby Kennedy - killed by Mossad, MLK Jr - Mossad! It can't be disproven.

Ever since the Bush Family had Lincoln assassinated their involvement in the NWO has been well-known. The Bush/Walker families also paid a Serbian nationalist to assassinate Archduke Ferdinand of Austria in 1914. This caused WW1 people! The evidence of the NWO stacking-up!

In 1947 Mossad was formed the same time as the state of Israel! If that is a coincidence, then how convenient! The evidence stacks up further.

In 1948 Ghandi was killed by Mossad! It is very suspicious that he was killed the only the year after Mossad was formed! Very strong evidence.

BFEE/Mossad are all part of Bilderberg. Both want to take over the world and Bilderberg operates everything. They attend Bilderberg to worship Satan and kill children!! This is strong, damning proof of a conspiracy!

How come successive U.S. presidents support Israel!??? How come both U.S. presidents and Israelis prime ministers attend Bilderberg??? Why does the U.S. give all its money to Israel??

ITS ALL A MOSSAD PLOT, CAN'T YOU SEE THAT ITS ALL MSM LIES IF YOU BELIEVE FOX, CNN AND NY TIMES!! IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE IT THEN YOURE A REPTILLIAN AND YOU ARE EVIL AND STUDPID!!!!

:evilgrin:

insert personal observation here and state that it's just this poster's humble opinion

Inserts disbelief at the respondents obvious fooling by the conspiracy. TYPES IN BLOCK CAPS BECAUSE THAT'S THE WAY TO THE CONVINCE BETTER. MENTION MOSSAD SOME MORE AND LINK TO SOME CONSPIRACY BLOG NO ONE'S EVER HEARD OF.

inserts polite but firm refutation supported by facts and logic

Spins a yawn of selective truth, half-truth and coincidences. Mentions books by "David Icke".

Casts doubt on respondent's facts and logic as "msm reptilian lies" that are meant to fool and are all part of the conspiracy.

requests evidence to back up conspiracy theory again and wonders why the other poster cannot remain civil when responding

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

Personal attacks?

Links to hate sites?

Freepers? WAS IT A FREEPER?



I HAVE TO KNOW!!!!!!

(or is it?!)

:tinfoilhat: :yoiks:

And he hates Harry because James married Lily and not him!

*AND* he hooked up with Petunia, so he's Dudley's dad too!

:tinfoilhat:

but think of conspiracy theories....

They want to get rid of all weak humans. The Bushies are reptilians. Sometimes you can see Bush's real face during his speeches, if only for a second.

Oh, and Doritos is made out of people.

I would like most people so much more if only they were crunchy bite-size snacks.

to the UN, conspire to tell a pack of 100% lies to the American people and to the world, on the threat of a foreign nation that is conspiring with terrorists and has the capability to nuke or bio-kill the US and Europe, and all the news media organizations in the United State buy it, hook, line and sinker. (Naw! No way! You've got your tinfoil hat on!)

But the UN doesn't buy it. They demur. The US, with the UK in tow, invade the foreign nation on their own initiative--having hooked, lined and sinkered the entire US news media. They find...nothing. No weapons. No threat. No terrorists (except the ones they are creating). The President, facing reelection, is never queried about this 100% pack of lies he told the American people--nor about the 100,000+ Iraqis and 2,000 US soldiers killed in this wholly unjustified war; nor about the billions and billions and billions of dollars that it has cost, large chunks of which have gone missing; nor is he much queried about the torture and murder of prisoners of war and of innocent captives. The US news organizations don't seem to care much about the matter.

The voters are quite concerned, however. 58% of Americans opposed the war--WMDs or no WMDs--way back BEFORE the invasion. (Feb. '03.) 63% of Americans oppose torturing prisoners UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES. (May '04).

Nevertheless, on Nov. 2, 2004, the US news organizations report that the President has been reelected. These news organizations, acting in concert, falsify the exit poll data on everybody's TV screens, on election night--"adjusting" the exit polls (President didn't win) to fit the official result (President did win), taking the official result from two, private, electronic voting machine companies with close ties to the President, who control the vote tabulation of 80% of the country, using "trade secret," proprietary programming code--a fact that never gets reported by the US news organizations.

Am I getting too far out? Naw, this could never happen. The entire US press corps hooked, lined and snookered by a 100% pack of lies--even the New York Times? No way! And ALL OF THEM conspiring to falsify the exit polls? And none of them NOTICING who had gotten control of the election system? That's ridiculous. That's a tinfoil hat conspiracy if I ever heard one. Go back to sleep, y'all.

T-I-N-F-O-I-L you cant prove it SHOW ME THE PROOF your making DU look bad what is Rush going to say now HE'S GOING TO SAY WE'RE THE LOONY LEFT!!! You probably believe the queen of England is a space reptoid well I got news for you YOUR DELUSIONAL the Illuminati arent trying to mind control you with microwaves from Venus.

:eyes:

around here, if you use an acceptable lure

from mods.

Disregards fact that mods have slapped the op's hands many times.

Claims that DU skeptics are not really skeptics but sheep.

Posts own definition of skeptic that includes only those who believe personal paranoid conspiracy theory.

Insults science and scientists.

Insults DU mods and accuses them of preventing people from learning the truth.

Allow me to quote someone else who agrees.

Every last one of you!

And if you don't believe my Reptoid theory then you obviously believe everything that bush and the msm tell you!



So there!

except Skinner and The Magistrate...

:rofl:

Makes comment about how knowledge can be dangerous and cites numerous dead people who "knew" something.

had names that started with an "S". Claims there are no coincidences and claims it's all "mysterious"

And that the numbers 1 and 9 are both in 9/11.

Sneers at the idea that this could be a coincidence.

"s" upSide-down is Still "S". juSt backwardS. that'S why it'S So important to Cthulu. for evidence, take "S" off your keyboard and See how far you get. you can't even Speak engliSh without "S"


mind control at it'S moSt inSidiouS. keepS me up at night.

Avoid threads concerning subjects such as "BCCI," "Gladio," "Sibel Edmonds" and "Indira Singh."

Delight in your cleverness. Wink at the moderator.

Exit laughing. Wonder how it got so dark.

chasing down 'Pen/thumb' conspiracy theories I guess.

This thread is fly paper, MB. Great resource for an ignore list.

most to RW conspiracy sites. Those from MSM sites are only slightly related to the topic, if at all.

with badly camouflaged anti-semitic rhetoric.

Feign ignorance when queried.

while at same time rejecting all of your sources as biased!

Then links to msm article to prove point.

Claims that because politicians and msm lie, everything they say is automatically a lie.

Uses another msm article to illustrate.

Message removed by sane person. Click here to review the message board rules.

Tells poster that it is against rules to call names and tell someone they're going to be put on their ignore list.

Levels accusation of projection.

Sig quote from famous saintly person whose philosophy I've never come close to following

Sig quote from famous saintly person whose philosophy I've never come close to following

Priceless!

CHOMSKY: "If we hope to understand anything about the foreign policy of any state, it is a good idea to begin by investigating the domestic social structure: Who sets foreign policy? What interests do these people represent? What is the domestic source of their power? It is a reasonable surmise that the policy that evolves will reflect the special interests of those who design it. An honest study of history will reveal that this natural expectation is quite generally fulfilled.

http://zena.secureforum.com/Znet/zmag/articles/oldalbert19.htm

trying to force the truth into a ghetto! Accuses Romeo of being a CIA plant!

RICE: Certainly. Let me start with the period in which you're trying to figure out who did this to you.

And I think, given our exceedingly hostile relationship with Iraq at the time -- this is, after all, a place that tried to assassinate an American president, was still shooting at our planes in the no-fly zone -- it was a reasonable question to ask whether, indeed, Iraq might have been behind this.

RICE: I remember, later on, in a conversation with Prime Minister Blair, President Bush also said that he wondered could it have been Iran, because the attack was so sophisticated, was this really just a network that had done this.

When we got to Camp David -- and let me just be very clear: In the days between September 11 and getting to Camp David, I was with the president a lot. I know what was on his mind. What was on his mind was follow-on attacks, trying to reassure the American people.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/04/08/rice.transcript/

you're citing an msm article.

Violation.

Then references Rense article to illustrate unreliability of msm sources.

then you must know Paul Thompson's comprehensive 9/11 timeline, which cites only msm. Right?

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/project.jsp?project=911_project

Turns out this 'squitocide is actually a common method of mind control, manufactured and covertly sold by Eli Lilli in conjunction with the US Defense Department. Notice how the areas supposedly most infested with insects are also areas of annually high armed forces recruitment and volunteering? I don't have any citations for this "study" but I know it's out there, I've read it. Jesus people............close your windows!!!

It's BIG PHARM trying to spread cooties!!!!

Or was that Giuliani ?

It was meant to divert attention and to provide fodder for mockery. The truth lies within the 'squito foggers my friend. Believe.

The DNC/DLC/DCCC don't care about our passions, just our money :shrug:

Yet, we can't find a candidate to totally, en DU mass, rally behind? What's wrong with this cyber-picture?

:tinfoilhat:

This was the theory that really had me rethinking my conservative views back in the early 90s (don't worry, there was a lot more than that that woke me up).

none of the intellectually superior posters in this thread offered their well-informed insights in the following thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=4182589

Well, to be honest, I know why they didn't. The world can be a scary place sometimes, and it can be more comfortable to keep the more troubling aspects of reality at a distance while assuring oneself that I'm sure those people saying those things believe in reptoids and mind-control beams from Mars and stuff, we should just get a Democrat elected and everything is going to be alright.

Very authentic;

Asks why others haven't joined in to parrot the latest "news".

Vague anger at topic drift. Several links are posted. Some are inactive. Some are inapplicable. Some are inane. Will to check spelling is diminished.

long deceased PCT thread in GD.

Insults sheep while kicking thread.

I want to know why none of the down-to-earth types having fun in this thread ever has anything to say in threads discussing topics such as, say, Indira Singh, Sibel Edmonds, Ptech, Robert Wright, Gladio, Total Information Awareness, the 2001 anthrax attacks or about Daniel Hopsicker. I mean, I'm sure you could convince me that it's all in my head.

I believe every conspiracy theory I've ever read because I know I can't trust the government and that means they are lying about everything and trying to kill me.

intelligent to say about Ptech? Surely you must have heard about the Saudi software company owned by al-Qa'ida benefactors which delivers specialized enterprise architecture software to just about every federal agency, including the FBI, the FAA, the Pentagon, the Air Force, the House of Representatives, software with an artificial intelligence core?

Why those people who believe in things like that probably believe in reptoids, I don't want to be associated with those people, and besides I have read nothing about this in the New York Times. What, you say, it's been (timidly) reported in the mainstream media? Well, I didn't read it, so it didn't happen. Besides, if it makes Bush look bad, it would have been all over the liberal media, because they want nothing more than to make Bush look bad. What, their offices were raided by the FBI? Well, Ari Fleischer said there was nothing wrong with the company, so there. The CBS was making a documentary about it which was suddenly terminated? Well, of course, they realized it was tinfoil stuff which would make the CBS look bad. What, Ptech is a CIA cut-out? Their competitors claim that Ptech was selected precisely because of its affiliations with Saudi al-Qa'ida financiers? SHUT UP YOU TINFOIL HATTER your making DU look bad with talk like that how can you say such things about our brave intelligence operatives you probably believe in space reptoids and hollow earth YOU TINFOIL HATTER

Rambles on about msm coverage regarding players.

Keeps bringing up strawman of image concern.

Wonders again why nobody takes him seriously, then immediately insults poster again.

Getting no satisfaction from poster ignoring the PCTDJ.

Considers going back to echo chamber but then decides to stay and try to convert more sheep.

what your age might be?

i didn't see one statistic misquoted, and there were absolutely no higher order differential equations in Z-space, nor integrals, nor vector analyses.

no axioms + no theorems = no proof.

Very public pouting. Threats to leave DU made now. Dark and ominous predictions hinted at broadly. Vague threats of lawsuits made. Angry muttering to self. Hit "post message" key now.

That I learned about yesterday - baby rabbits.

Doritos are made from people man! It's upthread.

Posts photo of vapor trails between three busy airports as "proof" of secret BFEE mind control conspiracy. Neglects to mention the bit about the airports.

Ignores naysayers.

Posts kitten pictures in naivete. Flamed roundly. Returns to lounge to lick wounds.

Funniest thread I've read all day. Thanks!

It reminds me of a conversation I had with a friend of mine. We've known each other a long time so we remain friends even though he's just a few beers short of a six pack, if you know what I mean.

We got onto this very topic and he started reeling off all of these "conspiracies" he was aware of. I couldn't get a word in edgewise! I don't remember all of them but here are a few of the wildest ones.

--Doctors intentionally left a group of Mississippi black men with syphilis untreated for 40 years as an experiment. Yeah...right.

--Numerous doctors and hospitals experimented with radiation on patients without their knowledge or consent on behalf of the Department of Energy. The stupid thing is, now even the Department of Energy believes this and has information about it on their website! (Shows you how far these conspiracy theories can go.)

--The CIA sponsored numerous experiments in mind control, often on unwitting subjects, including at least one who died. It was called MK Extra or something like that. This is another conspiracy theory that got really far, even before the internet. They even had congressional hearings on it! Our tax dollars at work! I'm sure they didn't actually believe in it, but they told the CIA to stop anyway.

--He also claimed that over the years the CIA secretly conspired with rightwing groups all over the world to assassinate presidents and instigate coups in countries like Chile, Nicaragua, Guatemala, Iran. I mean who even CARES about those countries anyway! He said we even tried to assassinate Castro!

--He said that not too terribly long ago, there was a secret group within the government that actually carried out an illegal war in Central America. An entire secret war! Even more ridiculous, how did they fund this war? Selling weapons to Iran! Come on...Iran is a terrorist state, that's just stupid to think the government would do this.

--Don't even get him started on Bush and 9/11. He claims that Bush created their own intelligence agency which actually worked hard to trump up fake intelligence in order to justify the war in Iraq. I realize our intelligence community made some mistakes, but to claim that this was on PURPOSE just to start a war? Seriously, I'm worried about my friend. Wtf is the "Downing Street Memo" anyway?

--He said there was something called Operation Northwoods where the US military discussed ways of staging terrorist events here in the US to whip up opposition to Cuba. Even my friend admits that they didn't actually follow through on this, but to imagine that the government would even CONSIDER such treason. Ridiculous! However, I have to say that the fake documents on this sure look pretty real, so it is understandable he would fall for this one. You can view them here: http://emperors-clothes.com/images/north-i.htm. In fact, it even made Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods
Somebody should submit it to snopes.com.

--He said something about a former President and a hotel. The waterford or something. I'm sorry, I can't remember all the details. Something about break-ins. Somehow it was connected to the porn film: Deep Throat. I'm sorry, I don't remember much about that one.

--He said something about how the military pretended the Gulf of Tonkin fired on a US warship which was then used to escalate our involvement in Vietnam. I mean how could a GULF fire on a ship???

--Speaking of Vietnam, he claims that we were also secretly bombing CAMBODIA! How could you possibly bomb a country in secret!??? Way too many people would know about that.

--Something about Pentagon Papers, too. Not sure what that was about. I think it got connected to the Waterford thing when the same break-in team stole somebodies psychiatric records. I don't know, he was almost incoherent at this point.

Anwyay, thank GOD for DU (he, that's another one of his stupid theories. He said that DU...Depleted Uranium, is known to cause numerous medical problems because it's radioactive and yet we force our troops to use it. That's just silly. They wouldn't force our troops to expose THEMSELVES to radiation. Plus, all those tons of DU shells and casings lying around in Iraq...we're trying to rebuild the country, not make it uninhabitable.

Keep up the good work. I'll let you know if I can remember any more of his hairbrained ideas!!!!!

But I realize with those mind control rays pointed at you it's difficult to remember things.

that the examples of "conspiracies" Dreams End mentioned belong in the same category as your strawmen?

And are you able to respond like a grown-up? If not, shouldn't you rather stay in the lounge?

T-I-N-F-O-I-L can you spell that, what is Rush going to say now, he's going to say we're loony left your making DU look bad you TINFOIL HATTER can you prove it moran YOU CANT PROVE IT SHOW ME THE PROOF

Claims that paranoia is safe and healthy.

Insults skeptics, engineers and scientists for 5th time.

It says here
That the unions will never learn
It says here
That the economy is on the upturn
And it says here
We should be proud that we are free
And our free press reflects our democracy

Those braying voices on the right of The House
Are echoed down the Street of Shame
Where politics mix
With bingo and tits
In a money and numbers game

Where they offer you a feature
On stockings and suspenders
Whilst they call for stiffer penalties
For sex offenders

It says here
That this year’s Prince is born
It says here
Do you ever wish that you were better informed?
And it says here
That we can only stop the rot
With a large dose of law and order
And a touch of the short sharp shock

If this does not reflect you views
Then you should understand
That those who own the papers also own this land
And they’d rather you believe
In Coronation Street capers
'Cos in the war of circulation, it sells newspapers

Could it be an infringement
Of the freedom of the press
To print pictures of women
In states of undress?

When you wake up to the fact
That your paper is Tory
Just remember
There are two sides to every story

- Billy Bragg

thanks, been too long since I had a BB night of music

The party that became so powerful
By sinking foreign boats
Is dreaming up new promises
'Coz promises win votes

And being resolute in conference
With the Ad-man's expertise
The majority by their silence
Will pay for days like these

The right to build communities
Is back behind closed doors
Between government and people
Stands the right arm of the law

Shame upon the patriot
When the mark of the bulldog breed
Is a family without a home
And a pensioner in need

Those whose lives are ruled by dogma
Are waiting for a sign
The Better-Dead-Than-Red Brigade
Are listening on the line

And the liberal
With a small 'L'
Cries in front of the TV
And another demonstration
Marches on into history.

Peace, bread, work and freedom
Is the best we can acheive
But wearing badges is not enough
In days like these.

- Billy Bragg

Flame war.

Scratch that.

Moving to the Flame War forum...

Giggles with friends.

...the mods are also mocking the users. Turnabout is fair play, good sir.

Asks if this really is just a coincidence, then answers self with
"I think not".

Accuses BMUS of being the Anti-Christ. Loses ability to stop talking like this. Annoys everyone at office. Begins surfing Monster instead of DU.

he is in on conspiracy.
Ignores questions about incompetence of said chimp.
States that "they" just want us to think he is stupid.
Obviously.

In the City of God there will be a great thunder,
Two brothers torn apart by Chaos,
while the fortress endures,
the great leader will succumb,
The third big war will begin when the big city is burning

The City of God refers to Jersualem!!! The big city is burning is New York!! PROOF of Israeli involvement in 9/11!!! MIHOP Two brothers refers to 9/11 and London blasts! The fortress is the Pentagon! The great leader will succumb is an accurate prediction of the death of the Pope!!!

Its undeniable proof. It's exactly right! You don't want to believe the truth!!!

Does not want people to associate with own obviously much more credible theories about chem trails and manufactured tsunamis.

People get bombed in London, yet Mossad have killed people before! Why aren't they suspected??? Don't you all see the strong circumstantial evidence???

Netanyahu was in London AT THE TIME!! That is undeniable proof of MOSSAD involvement.

Mossad KILLED people so Western govenments will let them OPRESS the Irish. The Israeli occupation of Ireland MUST end.

when questioned about players making stupid mistakes.

Long misspelled rant about the nebulous THEY and thier attempts to control our minds and take over the world.

to their superior knowledge and inside information based on years of scouring conspiracy websites and discussing same subjects ad nauseum.

Takes great pleasure in imagining how sorry the sheep will be when they find out we were right all along.

Feels special to be in on the secret. Secretly hopes the truth never comes out because that would mean finding a new hobby.

they toss around the newest speculations about the tragedy in London.

From my blog:


Ain't nothing too discreet / About the disease of conceit - Bob Dylan

The Disease of Conceit

Language, being the virus that it is, often makes me sick. These days, not so much from the perpetual misdiagnosis of "conspiracy theory" (conspiracy is a hypothesis, doc; deep politics is the theory), as at the gatekeeping virologists' nerve to call what they do "skepticism."

The Skeptics Society, which claims ownership of the term, defines it as "the application of reason to any and all ideas.... When we say we are 'skeptical,' we mean that we must see compelling evidence before we believe."

Right there we can see the argumentative circularity, and the richness and the weirdness of life that must forever lie beyond the pale for such people. "Show me," they say. Yet evidence compelling to them must necessarily conform to "reason" (in other words, to a trumped-up rationality with control issues), and so all evidence that transgresses reason (or more accurately, puts rationality in its place) is invalidated. In this manner, the paranormal and much of what we call the parapolitical can never be proven to such people. "Show me," they say, and yet these same people are more likely than not to accept official narratives of controversial history without having been shown anything. Rather, it's us, the "conspiracy theorists," who are saying "show me," and meaning it. We're the ones withholding judgement. We're the true skeptics, and I want us to stake a claim on the word.

The society adds that "modern skepticism is embodied in the scientific method, that involves gathering data to formulate and test naturalistic explanations for natural phenomena."

Here the problem narrows, and sharpens, to the reduction of skepticism to scientific method. But much of our experience of the world, even of the "natural" world, cannot be subjected to a scientific method and still retain its meaning for us.

Just last week, scientist Richard Dawkins opened a conference with the caution that the Universe is to weird to understand, and that there is a "narrow range of reality that we judge to be normal." Scientific method is moving uncomfortably beyond the "skeptic," who seems a hide-bound Newtonian from the perspective of our quantum politics.

Have you ever browsed the Skeptic's Dictionary? A word that comes to mind to describe the intellects at play there is credulous. Virtually all that is offered is assurance to those who don't want such things to be true that they needn't worry, and need inquire no further.

For instance, the complete entry for "Xenoglossy" is the "alleged speaking or writing in a language entirely unknown to the speaker. The probability of this happening is about zero." Well, he said, brushing off his hands. That takes care of that.

Under "Mind control," we read that:

...a common complaint from the mind-controlled is that they can't get therapists to take them seriously. That is, they say they can only find therapists who want to treat them for their delusions, not help them prove they're being controlled by their government. Thus, it is not likely that the 'mind-controlled CIA zombies' will be accused of having delusions planted in them by therapists, as alien abductees have, since they claim they cannot get therapists to take their delusions seriously.

Either the author did not respect the subject enough to seriously research it, or he did and hopes the reader won't, because it's an absolute fabrication.

I'll let just one example stand for many. (And let's note this: these kind of skeptics must paint with the broadest of brushes, because if only one contrary fact is admitted, everything crumbles.) Dr Valerie Wolf, testifying before the Presidential Commission on Radiation Experiments in 1995, said that:

...in preparation for my testimony at these hearings, I called nearly 40 therapists across the country to find out what they knew about the link between radiation and mind control and to get what other therapists were seeing in clients who had been used in mind control experiments.... Generally, it appears that therapists across the country are finding clients who have been subjected to mind control techniques. The consistency of their stories about the purpose of the mind control and torture techniques such as electric shock, use of hallucinogens, sensory deprivation, spinning, hypnosis, dislocation of limbs and sexual abuse is remarkable. There is almost nothing published on this aspect of mind control used with children and these clients come from all over the country, having had no contact with each other.

In its debunking of "alien abductions," the dictionary never strays from the ET hypothesis, arguing against the probability of travelling interplanetary distances without raising the theoretical likelihood of parallel worlds.

Regarding the late Harvard psychiatrist, Dr John Mack, who took seriously the abduction phenomenon, the dictionary sneers:

...until the good doctor or one of his patients produces physical evidence that abductions have occurred, it seems ore reasonable to believe that he and his patients are deluded or frauds. Of course, the good doctor can hide behind academic freedom and the doctor/patient privacy privilege. He can make all the claims he wants and refuse to back any of them up on the grounds that to do so would be to violate his patients' rights. He can then publish his stories and dare anyone to take away his academic freedom. He is in the position any con person would envy: he can lie without fear of being caught.

Again, the broadest brush is employed - the "good doctor" is likely a con man - because if they are wrong once, their world slips away.

And there is ample physical evidence for both UFOs and abductions. Another solitary example to stand for many: The case of "Dr X," the French health professional introduced to us in Jacques Vallee's Confrontations. When attending to his crying toddler early morning November 2, 1968, he noticed a light outside the child's window. He didn't pay it much attention until his son was asleep again, and then he stepped out on the balcony and observed two large disks moving slowly over neighbouring homes. The objects merged, and a white beam was directed toward the ground below. "Finally the disk made a movement that brought it to a vertical position, and the white beam caught the doctor squarely on the balcony. He heard a bang and the object vanished, leaving only a whitish form like cotton candy."

Afterwards he experienced abdominal pain, and a red, equalateral triangle with sides of six inches in length appeared around his navel. His doctor believed it to be a psychosomatic reaction to his "dream" of an object which was somehow associated with a triangle. "But when the same shape appeared on the abdomen of the child, and when the same phenomena recurred in successive years, the psychosomatic explanation had to be discounted." (A thermographic examination in 1984 found "intense cutaneous erythema of triangular shape, centered over the umbilicus; absence of visible superficial vessel.... resistant to cooling.")

The encounter also accompanied spontaneous healing of a permanent disability on the right side of his body he had incurred ten years before from a mine explosion while in the French army. And this just scratches the weirdness, as Dr X and his wife were subsequently "plagued by poltergeist activity" and by visitations "so fantastic as to stretch credulity, yet they appear to be verifiable by other family members." But let's not invite the rolled eyes of the "skeptic" with such episodes. But it's too late for that. Even the medical records of Dr X and his son are inadmissable as evidence because they do not conform to "reason," and so will not be seriously considered.

Cocksureity seems the hallmark contradiction of such skeptics. Stage magician Penn Jillette is such a one. He says that people should "learn to carry their intelligence the way James Dean carried his cigarette." In other words, as an affectation.

Jillette could have said the way Peabody carried his bowtie, but it wouldn't have been as cool.

Pout and mumble, "We're just anti-Zionist, not anti-jew. Besides, don't you know the Arabs are Semites too? And the jews are really Khazars. Anyway, didn't you read our website's disclaimer that we reprint these neo-Nazi rants just for your education, and we know you are smart enough to know that just because we want you to read stuff that comes from neo-Nazi sites, we don't like those bad naughty Nazis, not one bit."

<wink to your neo-Nazi and white supremacist supporters>

:rofl:

why?

I don't link to or wink at neo-Nazis, not even the so-called "Voice of the White House" of the Barnes Report. I don't permit hate speech on my board. I've even written that talk of "Zionists" can be an invalid attempt to "keep it to code." Christ, I've been accused of being Mossad myself.

So if you're talking to me - why?

you should consider deleting your post. Accusing people of anti-semitism and of pandering to neo-Nazis is not very nice, and if you had ever read the blog, you would have known that Rigorous Intuition does not belong in that category, in fact it has a consistently anti-fascist focus. If you won't take my word for it, I would advise you to visit the blog and read for yourself.

Ignores the fact that any batshit loony can have one.

Just wait till my race of atomic supermen come to save the day!

Ya know, it all is a conspiracy. IF you don't believe that powerful people talk to one another and coordinate their actions you must be nuts... So whatever...

I see the usual suspects here, blowing off steam, well that's natural. Enjoy yourselves, laugh it up, see what it gets ya.

not Monkey Boy.

Just like you anti-paranoid-conspiracy theorists to malign a humanoid.

consensus reality is over rated... come on and put yer hands up in the air and speculate like you care.

Anyone considered that they're now playing the left just like they played the right during Clinton? What's next I wonder?

We report.

You decide.

n/t

Look up the definition of conspiracy, read it. It can be an enlightening moment in your life.

... well moved to the 9/11 forum, anyway...

Good luck. oh and by the way, peace.

That I love everybody in this thread on a deep, personal level.

Well, except for the people getting their knickers in a twist over TEH FUNNAY. But that's just them.

that a sense of humour is fine for sheep but not for serious PCTs.

Too much work to be done.

Notes that even the most hardcore PCT should cut loose once in a while.

Calms down and wipes spittle from monitor.

Sighs, takes off glasses, and Hulks out. Long string of abusive language just on the right side of the Posting Guidelines.

confident that he has accomplished his mission and that all will now subscribe to his obviously superior worldview.

now that his blood is up and the smell of fresh PCT is strong in the air. Various taunts and suggestions of personal weakness.

dungeon, slams and locks door.

n/t

It has probably been a tough week at school being the snotty precocious teacher's pet on the first row.

yup.

Cue sanctimonious defensiveness, accusations of humorlessness and/or lighthearted derision of dissenting viewpoints.

Democrat, Republican, what's the difference?

I only have one link to back it up but I'm not sure if the source is allowed here.

Last week, we wrote of the Bush Faction's increasingly successful drive to establish the principle of unlimited presidential authority -- beyond the reach of any law or constitutional restriction -- as the new foundation of a militarist American state. This relentless push toward autocracy gained even more strength in recent days, in two cases centering on what has emerged as the very core of President George W. Bush's authoritarian philosophy: torture.

...

This is the power that Bush declares cannot be restricted by courts or Congress or any law on earth: the power to torture, to murder, to terrorize -- and to rape children. This is the dark, filthy heart of his militarist state.

more...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x143326

peace

Yes, this is precisely what we need.

What DU sorely needs is a quorum of smugly skeptical individuals who are bent on taunting those who deign to critically analyze current events.

Those who understand the vast network of governmental and corporate interests that work to adjust circumstances in their own favor; those who were working on getting the word out about the Plame case long before it hit the mainstream media; those who speak nothing of the common absurdities that are used to characterize the common "conspiracy theorist", yet have managed to mentally connect the dots and fill in the blanks, are somehow worthy of public mockery here on DU?

Talk about rigged voting machines does not lead down the path of caffeinated, spittle-spraying, hyper-paranoid delusions any more than talk about equality and freedom for gays, women, or African Americans leads to moral relativism and zoophilia.

What a dark moment for free and critical thought this orgy of cynicism is. To the untrained eye, all is bathwater.

Hate, contempt and ridicule are such terrible things to waste

Well put.

fortunately for us we have DU which has broken and kept alive many important stories that the M$MWs would rather IGNORE for their own reasons.

Thank GORE he 'invented' the INTERNETs & skinner&elad DU :bounce:

well said :toast:

peace

there there, the nasty skeptics won't get you...

I don't have quite enough emotional involvement in you & yours to hate you. Contempt and a sort of amused pity, sure. But no hate.

HTH. HAND.

I can surely see you have no emotional invlovement :eyes:

How wonderful that you get off on spewing contempt and amused pity

Mine are macrame, role-playing and laughing at the foolish. Go figure.

Belittling anyone is most admirable.

I never claimed to be a role model. In fact, I'm the kind of guy your parents warned you about. Hur hur hur. :evilgrin:

Can We Please Have A DU HIstory Lesson On Iran-Contra?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4216756&mesg_id=4216756

psst... pass the word ;->

peace

So was the DSM.
So is this Traitor gate.
So is this wacky idea about paper trails for voting machines.

Sorry gotta get back to the Frat party.

Okay, so your vaunted truth-seekers rule the roost. Why whinge about the horrible skeptic-type persons who're taking the piss and making you feel all icky? Hell, if you and yours rule here, why bother getting all pissy, just have The Mods comes down and lock the thread.

a long time ago

I see no flame. A bunch of folks having a laugh, but no flame.

Well, not until you get to our but of the thread anyway.

Few of the "poor, oppressed dears" are concerned with skeptics being out to "get" them.

Quite the contrary, they are perplexed at the intellectual impotence which leads some people to run around like grade school cowboys, firing blanks out of toy guns, making half-cocked assumptions about the beliefs others, and laughing about their own clever generalizations.

To spar with a skeptic, one needs to understand that psychological projection and broad-brushed pseudo-observations, rather than facts, are their weapons of choice.

So if anybody's getting oppressed, it ain't you.

Right?

Just curious...

Fuckin' Texans, taking perfectly good southwestern slang and claiming it for themselves... we shoulda let Mexico keep their fuckin' useless asses... ;)

If, by "y'all" you mean critical thinkers, I would certainly hope that we constitute a reasonable chunk of the population here at DU.

Keep in mind that people seldom fit into common stereotypes, and may only be perceived as such by those who are determined to preserve their misconceptions.

Far be it from me, though, to prevent the contrarians from having their one moment in the spotlight before they either run out of seemingly substantive things to say, or wise up to the fact that they've been providing absolutely nothing but ichor and divisiveness to the conversation.

My argument is one against ignorance, not one of a "conspiracy theorist defending his fellow conspiracy theorists".

photos and/or documents that changed hayes mind in the 13th hour of last nights energy bill vote.

One of many theories I personally believe.

"It's only fun till someone gets hurt...then it's hilarious."