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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 12:14 PM
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Gallup: Bush suffers 5 pt drop to lowest measure of his presidency
Edited on Fri Jul-29-05 12:16 PM by Rose Siding
GALLUP NEWS SERVICE

PRINCETON, NJ -- A new Gallup Poll finds a decline in George W. Bush's job approval rating. After standing at 49% approval in the prior two CNN/USA Today/Gallup polls conducted this month, now just 44% of Americans say they approve of Bush, a new low mark for the president. The poll also shows a drop in Bush's favorable rating to 48%, which is the first time it has dropped below 50% since Gallup began tracking this opinion in 1999. Four in 10 Americans are satisfied with the way things are going in the country, which is essentially unchanged from early July. The poll shows continued positive momentum for the Democratic Party in terms of national party identification and ratings of the two major political parties, both of which were evident before the drop in Bush approval occurred.

The July 25-28 Gallup Poll finds 44% of Americans approving and 51% disapproving of the job Bush is doing as president. Bush's prior low approval rating was 45%, which occurred once in March and once again in June of this year......


Democrats Faring Better

Recent Gallup Polls have shown growing positive momentum for the Democratic Party, even while Bush's ratings were somewhat higher. For example, the July 22-24 CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll found 52% of Americans rating the Democratic Party favorably, while just 46% give a favorable rating to the Republican Party. When the question was last asked in April, each party was rated favorably by 50% of Americans.

Additionally, Gallup has observed a consistent edge for the Democrats in terms of national party identification in its recent polls. In the current poll, 33% say they are Democrats, 28% Republicans, and 37% independents. This is the fourth consecutive poll in which Democrats have outnumbered Republicans in Gallup Polls.


http://www.gallup.com/poll/content/default.aspx?ci=17584
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 12:15 PM
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1. Is he still the president?
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ltfranklin Donating Member (852 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 12:17 PM
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4. Yes, unfortunately
I beleive there has to be at least three consecutive below-50% ratings before the automatic impeachment is triggered.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 12:26 PM
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14. He never was the President.
Even members of Congress are having trouble figuring out who really is making the Executive Office decisions.
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mzteris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 12:29 PM
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15. harrumph..... I beg to differ
He never has been and never will be PRESIDENT!



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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 01:09 PM
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26. Thank you, that clarified it for me
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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 10:27 AM
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46. Was he ever the President?
:shrug:
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 12:16 PM
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2. so it is really 37-38. gallup for two years has been high n/t
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 01:07 PM
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25. Exactly
All summer we've been hearing Gallup saying his polls have dropped to 44%. Other polls this week had him at 41, but I agree with you that the truth is somewhere in the 30's.
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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 10:30 AM
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47. My theory has been that (especially Gallup) is off by atleast 10-15%-that
puts Commander Cookoo Bananas at a rating of 26-31% in my book....You know, that loyal base of extremists that we are in a struggle with...

:hi:
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 12:13 PM
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56. gallop itself admits to a 7-8% bias toward pugs
Edited on Sat Jul-30-05 12:18 PM by ooglymoogly
says cus pugs vote more....they were responsible for keeping * s ratings up during election so it was at least plausible the election was not stolen...gallops founder is a born agin
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 12:16 PM
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3. Jesus, that's Gallop - wonder what his real rating is?
30% ? Lower ? :shrug:
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Wizard777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 12:43 PM
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19. I really do think 2/3 of this country is fed up with Bush.
But that would never be reflected in the republican majority. They don't do represenative or inclusive government. Their philosophy is that you get your say on election day. Then you go away until they need you again. They do need you again. You come out swinging saying what they told you to.
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 01:09 PM
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27. No kidding.
Y'know, I used to see "W" stickers all over the place out here. I've been looking diligently, and I've seen exactly ONE this week. And I drive through Denver on the busiest highway in town.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 01:29 PM
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29. heheh...I always subtract at least 5% from Gallup. They overweigh their
polls to include 10% more Republicans than Dems.

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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 09:06 PM
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33. The correct fudge number is 7.5%!
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 09:42 PM
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36. heheh...OK...I shall defer to the more likely percentage.
.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 12:18 PM
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5. That seems consistent with the percentage of white supremacists
4 in 10.

(just kidding, I have no idea how many white supremacists there are.)
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bunkerbuster1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 12:22 PM
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9. More like two in ten.
Just a guess.

Anyway, let's not kid ourselves--true-blue sheet-wearin' Klanboys aren't necessarily fond of Bush either, since they tend to think he's soft on immigration, and they don't like race-mixin' (Condi)...

One other thing, of a more serious note--as crappy as Bush's numbers are, remember Nixon's sat in the 20s for nearly a year before he finally resigned.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 12:52 PM
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22. And the difference between Nixon and Bush
is at least Nixon won without cheating (that we know of anyways).
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Art_from_Ark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 08:11 AM
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37. Ever hear of Watergate?
Nixon's goons broke into the national Democratic Party headquarters in June 1972, just 5 months before the election. No telling what kind of stuff (such as strategy papers) they stole.
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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-05 01:40 AM
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59. ever hear of the dirty tricks committee
KKKarl rove cut his teeth during this campaign. Lee Atwater was his idol and Donald Segretti was mentor. Nixon cheated to get into office in 72.
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 12:18 PM
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6. Gallop is Bush's PR firm...
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Dragonfli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 12:29 PM
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16. So Is "Rasmussin Reports" They make their own reality there....
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 09:02 PM
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31. Makes me think it's much lower-
That this particular polling firm would comment on it being his lowest yet :)
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JaneQPublic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 12:19 PM
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7. "The poll shows continued positive momentum for the Democratic Party"
At least no one can accuse Dr. Dean of breaking the hippocratic oath. Not only is he not doing any harm to the party, but he may also be helping to turn it around.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 12:53 PM
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23. I agree
I think so too. From fund raising to our numbers. Either that or people are just so fed up with the republicans they want change with the democrats and they're like us and miss the Clinton years. 2006 is going to be great.
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mpendragon Donating Member (210 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 02:09 PM
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30. as long as it isn't converted into the dreaded "Joementum"
That's Joe Lieberman's practice of rapidly losing momentum whenever his inner Republican raises it's filthy head.
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brooklynite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 12:21 PM
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8. Coming soon: "the Big 3x"
Even if you think the surveys shave points, they're going to have to announce sub-40 numbers any day now.
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 12:22 PM
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10. What bother me is that Canny Crawl of CNN
said the democrats had gained nothng from the Bush wilt...

Of yes, they ae sure a Librul organization that CNN.....
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 12:23 PM
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11. What's Zogby Saying?
Zogby is the only one I have any faith in.
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ihaveaquestion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 12:24 PM
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12. And yet, he's getting everything he wants legislatively.
With the help of some Democrats in Congress - who can't see past their noses that this is their chance to strike. What would happen if the Democrats had the guts to block every blessed bill in both houses unless impeachment hearings were held? They might just make the news and the stories of DSM and Rovegate and Intelligence failures, etc. might just get some traction.

Damn DINOs! ! ! ! :grr:
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 12:54 PM
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24. Really
Don't they see the same numbers we do? The people are in FAVOR of the democrats so why aren't they going in the opposite direction? Oy!
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kansasblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 12:25 PM
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13. And CAFTA and the energy bill pass.....
Edited on Fri Jul-29-05 12:26 PM by kansasblue
does it matter how popular he is? I don't get it.
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 09:16 PM
Response to Reply #13
34. Corporate payoffs and influence peddling. Whores against the common
interest and will of the citizenry.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 09:19 AM
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43. Follow the Money.......
Put enough pork in a bill and every pig of a Senator will eat it, republican or democrat.
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kansasblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 12:31 PM
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17. Bush Job Approval at 50% Rasumussen Reports
What's the deal with them? Do they have any credibility any more?
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iconoclastic cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 12:38 PM
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18. Yeah, do they actually even poll live humans anymore?
Or just imaginary ones?
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 12:48 PM
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20. Who cares about his approval ratings?
We already knew about that. I like seeing, "Recent Gallup Polls have shown growing positive momentum for the Democratic Party".

It shows that we can win back Congress, which should be our important goal.
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longship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 12:50 PM
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21. Gallup rule of thumb.
Edited on Fri Jul-29-05 12:51 PM by longship
Skew the results by the margin of error and you'll have an approximation of the actual results.

So, if it's 44-51 with a 3% margin of error, the actual results would be more like 41-54.

The Margarine of Error

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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 01:22 PM
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28. It is time for the Dems to get a clear message and go on the attack.
Instead we will continue to play six man touch ball against an eleven man team playing tackle football.

We don't want to appear to be anything other than really, really nice guys because the media will talk about us being partisan. I am soooo bored with our team.
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 10:38 AM
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49. Yes, our 'team' is impotent, pansy assed cowards. Our 'playbook'
consists of one play. 'Up the middle on two, break'.

Sell outs, cowards and co-conspirators.

Bu$hco is bleeding, the time to attack is NOW.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 09:03 PM
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32. Uh Oh. Stay out of tall buildings
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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 09:20 PM
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35. Thanks for posting poll results, rosesiding!
I appreciate it. I enjoy reading about how low his numbers are sinking. It makes me happy and improves morale around here. We need to crow about this because the corporate media won't. And low poll numbers do influence middle of the roaders to come to our side. Plus they show that more and more people HATE CHIMP. Now I ask you, can that possibly be bad?:toast: :bounce: :bounce:
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 08:22 AM
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38. Why is he still so high in the polls ?
:shrug:
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OxQQme Donating Member (694 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 08:40 AM
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40. About that 'Mandate' ?
Dems turn to shout out loud and spend some of the capital.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 09:03 AM
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41. And yet he still gets his evil agenda against the American
people, passed. Next up, his plan to privatize Social Security. Anyone still think he won't get his way on that? If so, I have some ocean front property in Arizona to sell ya. Wait, under ** that might be true in the not too distant future.
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zanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 09:10 AM
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42. Driving to my doctor's appointment on Sept. 11, 2001...
His approval rating was at about the same rate. I remember thinking to myself "Well, he's shown his true colors and he won't be re-elected in 2004". Driving back from my doctor's appointment, the radio announcer reported that a plane had slammed into one of the towers at the World Trade Center...
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Vox_Reason Donating Member (589 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 09:32 AM
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44. Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy
What an utterly disastrous misadministration.

Keep waking up, America!
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Twist_U_Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 10:10 AM
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45. and yet he continues to get his programs through
are these people that have taken over the government not aware that they work for the people ?

are you pissed off enough yet ?
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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 10:33 AM
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48. In the past, the polls didn't have Dems outnumbering GOP: I think they
are doing that because it benefits them to say that and "explain" the numbers....ofcourse, it would be even more embaressing if they had more Republicans and the numbers were even lower! Especially some of them poor Republicans of lower income groups in Red States that aren't exactly benefiting from higher gas prices, CAFTA and the Bush trickle-up economics.....
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Stirk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 10:43 AM
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50. His Social Security scam cost him big. That issue made alot of
people willing to recognize the fact that he was lying. It's all downhill from there.

I really the Social Security scam is what broke the dam, in terms of the public psyche.
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 10:46 AM
Response to Reply #50
51. Yes -and Shiavo, do not forget that circus! But, like a poster above,
I still think this psycho will try to push the SS scheme through -and our worthless coward sell-outs may just let him.
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ananda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 10:59 AM
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52. poll numbers don't matter..
.. at all. The business party of the corporofascists own all three branches of government, the election processs and voting machines, the media, and the psyches of very scared Americans.

They are getting pretty much whatever they want. The will of the people and poll numbers make no difference.

Sue
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 11:32 AM
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54. This post is truth.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 11:24 AM
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53. "Four in ten"--that's about how many votes he got, after you deduct
the 3%-5% switch they pulled in the eastern time zone, with their "trade secret," proprietary vote tabulation software, and probably 1% to 2% elsewhere (to pad the popular vote and flip over swing states for the Electoral vote), and after the voter roll purges and massive vote suppression in Ohio and Florida, mostly against the black and the brown.

We're coming down to the Bush Cartel's true numbers now, minus Karl Rove's "invisible get out the vote campaign."

People who don't understand Bush's dismal approval ratings don't understand how non-transparent and unverifiable our election system has become, and just don't get that our election system itself has fallen under the control of rightwing Bush supporters. And until people understand this--and do something about it (still possible)--nothing is going to change.

One problem we have to address is the bipartisan corruption in our election system--which has become a billion dollar industry.

Check out this lobbying hogfest at the Beverly Hilton next week, sponsored by Diebold, ES&S and Sequoia--a week of fun, sun and corruption for election officials from around the country, many of them Democrats. It will burn your eyeballs!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x380340

Democratic election officials have sold out our right to vote--for future job offers, for the heady power of brokering big business deals in electronic voting systems, and for a "career" as a "professional" in the obscure esoterica of electronic voting, and lording and ladying it over the dumb voters who haven't a clue any more how their votes are counted.

And Republicans have sold it out because it's to their advantage to have major Bush donors counting the votes in secret.

We need to fix this, people. It can still be done. Ordinary people still have some influence at the state/local level, where the power over election systems still resides.

It has been very clear for some time that neither Bush nor his "pod people" in Congress represent the majority of Americans.

58% of Americans opposed the Iraq war BEFORE the invasion. I'll never forget that stat. Feb. '03.

63% of Americans oppose torture UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES. May '04. In other words, most Americans have maintained their sense of justice and ethics and lawfulness despite relentless fearmongering and propaganda.

You name the issue. Iraq. Torture. Social Security. The deficit. An overwhelming majority--way up in the 60% to 70% range--oppose Bush policy.

Add this to his dismal approval ratings OVER THE WHOLE OF THE LAST YEAR(--so low that Zogby said he couldn't win), and the exit polls on election day (Kerry won), and what you have is an illegitimate government that cannot provide ANY proof that it won the 2004 election, while there is a mountain of evidence that it did not.

Get it? They STOLE the election!

And the corporate news monopolies helped them do it, by acting in concert to FALSIFY the exit poll data on everybody's TV screens on election night--"adjusting" the exit polls (Kerry won) to fit Diebold and ES&S's "official" result (Bush won), thus depriving the American people of major evidence of election fraud, and squelching protest and calls for investigation.

We have a lot of grave problems to face. It can be overwhelming at times. But the heart of it all is our non-transparent election system. THAT'S WHAT'S WRONG!

Please understand this, and take action to restore our right to vote! (--and forget Bush's "pod people" Congress doing anything about it--and pray that they don't. They'll only make it worse. Concentrate on state/local election reform.)

See the DU Forum "2004 Election Results and Discussion" for information and action ideas:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=203



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Scout1071 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 11:51 AM
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55. What is the lowest recorded Presidential approval (or in this case
disapproval) rating? Just curious to see if he is nearing or surpassing such a level of dissatisfaction.
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Fly by night Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 06:08 PM
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57. Saw 41% national poll results posted in 2004 ERD recently.
I also liked a thread there a few weeks ago that showed a state-by-state comparison of Duh-bya's approval ratings in June, 2005.

He was at 50%+ in only 12 states (North and South Dumbfuckistan, Wyde-open and drolling, etc.). He was in the 30s in 13 states, including Ohio at 37%.

(Oh yes, that state that gave him the Presidency again. Riiiggghhhttt.)
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 06:28 PM
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58. I guess we should all be
Edited on Sat Jul-30-05 06:29 PM by zidzi
afraid..very afraid. The last time his polls were so low was, of course, on 9/10 and then came 9/11 and I was one of the 10% who still thought he stank.
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DanCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-05 02:36 AM
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60. I dont trust polls
specially after this selection. I feel he's more around the mid thirties myself.
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Ladyhawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-05 02:51 AM
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61. Slip-slidin' away...slip-slidin' away...(Come on, America, wake up!) n/t
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