Randi on the October Surprise

It seems I'm not getting the MIHOP on the hostage crisis from nowhere. Randi just made the claim herself. Is she a reliable source?

It's SMART speculation, a lot of the time, but speculative just the same.

held by Iran because we had backed the Shah. Reagan/Bush supposedly made a deal with Iran not release the hostages until after the election. They would then sell arms to Iran who had been at war with Iraq. And that is exactly what happened. Then those monies were given to the Contras in Nicaragua (which was illegal) to fight against the elected Sandanistas. Hence, the Iran-Contra Affair.

Edited because my text went bonkers on me when I pressed send!

just a few hours after Reagan was inaugurated, as I recall.

how shameless that was.

And I didn't know then what I know now.

And now Reagan is the one who gets all the credit. :mad: He's the one who held them! Bastard.

surprise, i.e. pardons, firing Fitzgerald, etc?

implication in my post about it. Although I personally feel that this administration uses homeland security for alerts at times when Bush's polls are dismal. They did it all the time during the 2004 election.

I guess she was trying to educate people on why we are in the mess we are in today

Thanks

back then are back in this administration.

thanks for the background and the information

are asleep at the wheel. The biggest population in our country are the baby boomers. We lived through the lies of the Vietnam War, Watergate and Iran-Contra, and so many are so blind to the sociopathic machinations of this pResident and his men/women.And those who aren't blind are apparently apathetic.

derailed Jimmy Carter's reelection. If memory serves me, there was also the question that Carter wouldn't declare war on Iran to free the hostages, so all the chickenhawks were screeching in high dungeon about that. We didn't really get all the details until years later. The electorate was completely sold another packet of lies to get Reagan elected.

Specifically in order to influence the 1980 election.

before the 1980 election, that if they would hold the hostages until after the elections, if they won they would give them arms, which was illegal

Carter lost, they won, and six people were pardoned before it went to court

And I'd add: either you're misunderstanding her, or SHE is mis-speaking, or she's nuts on this. See my post and especially the entirety of very first article listed.

Carter made a deal; Reagan/Bush screwed up the deal so they could get elected. I seriously doubt OUR side engineered the taking of hostages in the first place. They just availed themselves of the problem in order to come up with a winning "October Surprise."

N/T

:woohoo:

has always been, even before there was a DU.

Specifically. Are you saying Reagan and Bush caused the hostages to be taken by/in Iran in the first place?

That I'm not sure I buy, but I just posted THIS information yesterday -- perhaps you've seen it, perhaps not:

Bush's Impending Watergate
By Harvey Wasserman
originally published on May 23, 1991
http://old.valleyadvocate.com/25th/archives/bushs_watergate.html

George Bush should be impeached. Whether he will be impeached depends on the intestinal fortitude of Congress. But the evidence is clearly sufficient to begin proceedings.

snip

The circumstances are worth repeating: On November 4, 1979, radical Iranian students seized some 55 American citizens and began a crisis that lasted until the moment Ronald Reagan was inaugurated as president 444 days later.

snip

But by October of 1980, one thing was clear: If the hostages were released prior to the election, Carter would be re-elected. If not, Ronald Reagan would win. All major polls -- including one by the primary Republican pollster, Richard Wirthlin -- showed a 10 percent swing on just that issue.

In early October, word spread through the world media that Carter had negotiated a deal for the hostages' release. It was widely believed that he had agreed to unfreeze some $4 billion in assets claimed by the deposed Shah, and to supply spare parts to the American-made arms inherited by the Ayatollah Khomeini's revolutionary regime. The hostages were due home by mid-October, in ample time to assure Carter's re-election.

Then, mysteriously, the deal was off. The hostages weren't coming home after all. What happened?

-- much more --

Selected LINKS:

**** October Surprise X-Files at Consortium News (several articles)
http://www.consortiumnews.com/archive/xfile.html

Arafat and October Surprise
http://www.consortiumnews.com/2004/110204.html

Robert Parry's Oct Suprise Page at Real History
http://www.webcom.com/~lpease/collections/denied/octsurprise.htm


Disreputable Men - Minstrel Boy
(author Gary Sick mentioned, and Delmar Vreeland)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2371290#2372806

Bush's Impending Watergate By Harvey Wasserman
originally published on May 23, 1991
http://old.valleyadvocate.com/25th/archives/bushs_watergate.html

Archive: October Surprise 'X-Files' Series (several articles)
http://www.consortiumnews.com/archive/xfile.html



Who is Jim Moore? Part Seven
CAMPAIGN 1980 & THE IRAN-CONTRA AFFAIR
©2002 by Jim Moore
(John Anderson, R. Secord, Ollie North -- quoting the above article)
http://www.geocities.com/omegareport/Authors/04-Moore-g.htm


INSLAW, OCtober Surprise, many other articles by Henry V. Martin
http://www.american-buddha.com/napa.sentinel.htm#THE%20NAPA%20SENTINEL


And don't miss this one:
ex-President Carter's Operation Desert Claw sabotaged?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=629531#631588


"Only Christian soldier is a good soldier" by Lt. Gen (R) James Vaught
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=638484#638554

the timing of the thing indicates a deal was made; right after reagan was elected, the hostages were released.

there was supposed to be something about the jet that was flown ovber to make the deal? Either it was Adnan Khashoggi's plane (Madame Butterfly Ballot Theresa LePore as the stewardess) or it was a plane that one of bin Laden's brothers flew?

Can't recall the various conspiracy rumours.

An interview with John Loftus from a few weeks ago. Don't ask for details I was distracted and need to listen to it again. Nice to hear Dave's name here. An interesting researcher.

In addition to reconnecting with the working-class 'base', the Dems need to talk about the last 30 years of Republican skull-duggery.

,...and those who CARE about and respect the limits of people avoid tearing their view of the world apart. Maybe, it's a mistake to be that protective,...especially considering the present circumstances.

analysis of things as they are. Unfortunately too many people seem to need a quick 22 minute wrap-up to a happy ending picture of the world.
There are 400 or 500 or so 'households' that have annual incomes of $200+ million. Everything revolves around this fact.

He should have brought up all th cover up then (he was, afterall one of those who uncovered the Iran/Contra money trail), and asked questions of the cover up now. The biggest asset the Republicans had in this campaign were Kerry's campaign managers. SIGH... :eyes:

HELLO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Anyone who sat there and WATCHED the split-screen Bananas pointed out-- one side showing Raygun getting sworn in and the other showing released hostages deplaning-- musta had an INKLING that some sort of bullshit was happening. WERE WE SUPPOSED TO THINK IT WAS A COINCIDENCE?

The legacy of that media subterfuge and brainwashing is what we are STILL DEALING WITH TODAY. The Merican people sat still through THAT and the next thing and the next thing and the next thing................ the Big Lie got Bigger and Bigger and........... HERE WE ARE.

What I don't understand is how people sit and scratch their heads in wonderment and try to figure out why the Merican people are zombified WHEN WE HAVE BEEN WITNESSING THIS SHIT FOR 25 YEARS.

Shoulda listened to the punk rockers.

:rant:

i.e. "can I cite Randi as the source for this to get you to stop bombarding me with tinfoil smears?"

Having not noticed anyone "bombarding me with tinfoil smears?" This seemed to be about the systematic dismantling of our nation. I didn't realize it was all about you.

If there was any question, one would hope that the :rant: is a good indication of generalized statements, not directed at an individual.

Your thread is important. Why shoot it down?

That motive was to get something to defend my assertion with.

The greater good done, of course, is why I didn't decide it was noise and refrain from posting the start of the thread.

Anyhow, it's good to see that people are getting the idea that the racket has been ongoing for 25 years.

Do you remember those years and did you watch the "racket" developed?

I had a pretty good idea they were criminals getting away with it on national TV. I thought they were just there to steal money, kill people in other countries, and were otherwise irrelevant to me back then.

Nixon/Kissinger sabotaged the Paris Peace Talks. They are shameless warmongers, all!


The 1968 Democratic ticket: Hubert Humphrey & Edwin Muskie

in the Carter White House, who served on the National Security Council for Ford, Carter and Reagan, pieced it together in this book: