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procopia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 09:20 PM
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Are these quotes real?
This email looks like one of those concocted propaganda GOP forwards that circulate endlessly. I have my doubts if the quotes are real, but how do you prove someone didn't say something? I would love to be able to debunk this. Snopes was no help.



"It must depend on which party is in office? Or is it selective amnesia?"


"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998.

"Iraq is a long way from , but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998.

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18,1998.

"e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998.

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999.

"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies."
Letter to President Bush, Signed by Joe Lieberman (D-CT), John McCain (Rino-AZ) and others, Dec. 5, 2001

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandated of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them."
Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002.

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002.

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002.

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002.




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Stupdworld Donating Member (363 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 09:27 PM
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1. regardless
not one of those says "lets go bomb the hell out of Iraq when the rest of the world doesnt want us to except for a scant few countries we offered money to"

Even if all of those people "thought" saddam had WMD and thought force might be necessary, I am quite sure they did not envision force used in the haphazard way it was implemented here.
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MGKrebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 09:32 PM
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2. Could be real.
They sound legit to me. But I don't see the significance.

The Sept. 02 quotes from Gore are the only ones that I would really question, but even so, what the heck does Al Gore know? He's a college professor.
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procopia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 09:37 PM
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4. The reason I was doubtful
is that in doing a search of individual quotes, the only results I found were websites posting this same list.
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LittleApple81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 09:33 PM
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3. I am glad that we don't have the blood of all the dead people
(Iraqis and Americans) and the tears of the children and families in Iraq in democratic hands.
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L4d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 09:43 PM
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5. It would help...
If they provided where the quotes were found. Out of thin air, or in a newspaper/TV interview? But some of these quotes I know are legit. I've seen them, especially some of Clinton's.

OTOH...

Many of the Clinton quotes ARE taken out of context. He did say, I think in his February Larry King interview on CNN, that Saddam probably possessed WMDs. HOWEVER, Clinton also said that it was important to do everything possible to have international cooperation before taking action. He emphasized the importance of working with the UN to get Saddam to disarm, if the weapons did indeed exist. Clinton used a LOT of "ifs" in that discussion, and acting was predicated on those "ifs" being true.

And THAT is the primary difference between Clinton and Bush.
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carpetbagger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 09:48 PM
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6. Sounds like a good reason to force UN inspectors in.
Edited on Mon Sep-29-03 09:53 PM by rsammel
Oh, wait, that's what we did (and by we I mean with bipartisanship in the service of the nation that is, well, not a view shared by a certain other party).

My sorry.
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Jolene Donating Member (322 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 09:57 PM
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7. Didn't get past the first 'quote'
before the bs factor set in.

Here is the entire quote:

"All of us would prefer a genuine diplomatic solution. I want to reiterate that to every single American. All of us would prefer a genuine diplomatic solution.

The best way to stop Saddam from building nuclear biological or chemical weapons is simply to get the international inspectors back to work with no restraints. Keep in mind, they have done a marvelous job. They have uncovered more weapons potential and weapons stores than were destroyed in the entire Gulf War. But I will say again, one way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line. (Applause.) Thank you."

http://www.ed.gov/PressReleases/02-1998/wh-024.html

More rightwing bs. Sorry.
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