did soccer moms really vote for Clinton because he was hansome?

who did they vote for in 2000?

do soccer moms even pay attention to politics?

Rush thinks they have become 'security moms' because of an article in Time

Yes. Daddy having a job was of great concern.

They voted the economy. Nobody thought Clinton was handsome then.

It was only later he became sexy and beautiful.

PS: Even asking if women vote for men because of their looks is an insult. It says you think it's possible. Don't do it in the presence of women. They will write you off as an idiot.

That's exactly why my mom voted for Clinton in 1996, and she'll tell you that right to your face.

She doesn't fit the profile of a soccer mom (in '96 she was in her 50's with grown children), but she's informed and intelligent so it's a little jarring to hear her make statements like that.

They voted because he was a decent man compared to Daddy Bush.
When the economy is in the shitter, it usually doesn't matter who's running against the incumbent. That's what's on our side come 2004 if the economy isn't recovering, or worse, or is still sinking.
The fact that Clinton had a Kennedy-esq handsome thing going HELPED, but women did not base their vote only on that.

They threw it out as an excuse for why Big Dog was able to get elected twice. They couldn't possibly accept that anyone could vote for him for political reasons. They had to make it into something brainless like his looks. Insulting to women everywhere.

But then, didn't G. Gordon Liddy just gush over Duhbya's crotch enhancing flight suit? Claimed that pResident Junior had just secured the women's vote by appearing with his package sticking out?

Sigh. Seems like some men cannot believe a woman could actually vote for something other than looks.

That's what they always say about women. Has there been one article written that men voted for a woman because she was hot?

And of course soccer moms pay attention to politics. Many of them actually do work, but they're also very in tune to the needs of their community. They're probably more likely to know exactly what programs got cut and what the needs of their community are then many professionals buried at the office all day. And yes, I would bet they are worried about security. The security of their community and with less cops on the street, they know they aren't getting what they had. This kind of crap is just insulting to the intelligence of women, I don't know why it keeps getting written.

republican women think * is a DUD?!

women thought Geo. H. W. Bush reminded them of their first husband...;-)

(which of course is why they did NOT vote for him)

yep, women have nothing in their little heads but a dingy sense of "cute". :eyes:

Do soccer moms pay attention to politics? The politics of "what's best for my family" they do! Flush Rush.

and I find it incredibly insulting. Just last year my management teacher informed the class that women had voted for Clinton because he is cute and he makes people feel good. I was almost mad enough to challenge her, but I didn't.

Frankly, I have mixed feelings about Clinton and I could never hear him talk without being uncomfortably reminded of a Baptist preacher (not what he said, but how he said it.) But I did not vote for him twice because of his looks, or any other reason than I thought highly of his abilities to lead this country.

were quoted in the Seattle Times several years back as saying that the Republicans would run a "good-looking" candidate. (After all, the article implied, women want to vote for the hottie, don't they?) I'm not kidding. The Republicans believe that women vote for any candidate based on appearance. I thought my head would explode.

The Times' online archives don't go back far enough to get the actual article, or I would post a link.

I'm not a soccer mom (not even a mom,) but I'll tell you what's #1 on their agendas right now: Steady employment. Enough cash to keep their families living inside, food on the table, and the bills paid each month. Here's #2: Keeping their kids out of the -- well, I'll be nice, this is a family board -- MESS in Iraq. If those moms ever get on the same page, the prewar demonstrations will look minor.

If the Republicans are still living under the delusion that chicks vote for the cute guy, they will get a wakeup call they won't forget. (Please, God, let them run Lindsay Graham. I promise I'll never ask for anything more. Then again, I take that back. I wonder if Dr. Laura Schlessinger aspires to public office?)

Bushie's package doesn't do it for me, especially after reading his offensive comments about "quality time with Mrs. Bush" in the press. There aren't enough codpiece photo ops on the planet to convince me that he has any knowledge whatsoever of what it takes to run this country. Bring on the smart guy, the courageous guy, the guy who doesn't cut and run when things get tense.

Julie

with franking privileges. I'd rather have Roseanne for my rep than the Wicked Witch of the Northwest.

better at judging character than men are. Just a personal observation I've made over the years. I think we're better at it, but certainly that's just a generalization. Many women have voted for the last 3 Republicans and the last 2 (the bushes)gave me the creeps from the first time I'd seen them. I just felt their dishonestly and lack of compassion. I do not feel that Reagan (as a person) is as bad as the Bushes.

As for Clinton, the first interview I saw him in blew me away. Smart, articulate, knowledgeable, and warm all at the same time. Never thought Clinton was handsome. A persons personality is what makes them beautiful.

Clinton and Reagan, in my lifetime, played really well on TV. I think lots of men were influenced to vote for Reagan partly by the way he looked, and the Hollywood cowboy image he projected. Lots of men - and women - voted for Reagan without knowing anything about his polices or the people who worked with Reagan. They just liked the TV commercials.

Yeah, people can be really shallow.

but most of them don't seem to know or care much about national or international issues. That's too 'way out there' and they don't see how that can affect them or their families directly. And 'there's OTHER people watching out for that stuff'.

The ones I know seem to be greatly influenced by what the mainstream media spin is on a candidate (or by what their friends or their church groups might say) cause they don't do much/any in-depth research on their own.

However, I was absolutely THRILLED one day when another mom wanted to know more about PNAC and the * cabal's many other 'dealings'- her eyes didn't glass over like I'm used to - so I wrote down some links for her to look at, and she told me the next week that she actually looked, was fascinated, and was doing 'more research'!

that Nixon won the womans vote against JFK kinda destroys that theory.

if I'm a soccer Mom, I have 3 children and I stay at home, but they don't play soccer.

However, I did vote for Clinton, twice. I voted for Clinton because he's a democrat and I sided with his views over Bush I and Dole. That's the only reason I vote for someone. I agree with or most of the views.

Hell, I though Sen. Paul Simon from Illinois was great!! And handsome he ain't.

And yes, I find it very insulting to say women vote for the "handsome" candidate. It implies we don't have a brain in our head. I always thought it was men who think with the "other head".

:shrug:

. . with a grain of truth.

Most women I know would not vote for someone for an important office based on looks any more than some man would vote for JayLo (spelling?) for the same office.

But women do have a intuitive ability to know when a man is being deceitful or honest - even though they sometimes prefer to ignore that information.

I think Bill Clinton is a basically honest person. When he speaks you can see it in his body language and mannerisms. I think that draws men and women (who care about such things) to him.

That is his strongest assett and that's why the RW spent so much money (our tax money mostly) trying to paint him the opposite.

Voted for Bush because she liked Barbara Bush.

they were voting for *'s dad.
Can't remember where I read that now.

In '92, I voted for Clinton because he chose Al Gore as his running mate.
I already despised Poppy, I've always voted Democratic, so it was an easy choice. In '96, I voted for Clinton/Gore because of their brilliance factor, because I've always voted Democratic, and the nastiness of the Next Gang. Even though my kids never played soccor, I am in that category. The idea of voting for someone for President based on their looks sounds awfully shallow to me. And it sure as hell doesn't explain why I voted for Dukakis.

in 1994 is because voters felt sorry for his dad losing the presidency.

if you add that he was able to make them feel more positive and spoke to the few issues that they see as touching them porsonally and then, yes he was better looking that George the first or Bob "Studmuffin" Dole.

Something about that smile or emphatheric look that got people to believe.

Bush was able to use some of that appeal in 2000. Edwards will use it in 2004.

.... people aspire to one thing but are subconsciously influenced in ways their conscious mind would strenuously object to.

This is true whether anyone likes it or not, and is equally true of men and women, but in slightly different ways.

PR people and advertising people understand these things. Anyone who thinks a candidate's appearance, demeanor and voice don't matter is living in a perfect dream world that will never co-exist with human beings.

IMHO :)

it was his penis.


There you go again ... that darn thing is to blame for everything.



Cheers
Drifter

unless scaring the soccer moms with terrorism is a winner.

Soccer moms (even Republican ones) are upset about service cuts in education, and rising health care costs.

is just another way of demeaning women. Yup - we couldn't actually be smart enough to vote for a person based on what they stand for - we're far more easily swayed by how they look. In fact, women really shouldn't have the right to vote, since they can't use it responsibly. :eye:

I live in the land of the northern redneck male - and many of them are dumb as a box of hammers. They were voting for Bush2 because they knew Al Gore wanted to take their guns away. They had no real factual basis for the belief - and they didn't give a damn about anything else.

It's another way of ensuring the opression of women by the dominant gender.

Believe it or not. I don't know why, I guess I thought these two handsome guys in the White House would be no good. Lord was I wrong. Luckily in 1996 I came to my senses!

:puke: maybe straight women might think so...but damn..in running shorts...NASTY...this homo PASSES on that one...

doesn't think Clinton is goodlooking. He has a certain appeal, but that wasn't obvious during the first term, much less during the '92 election. Gore was cute when he was younger, just the type I would have gone for in college. I'm not a Mom and I have nothing to do with soccer, so maybe that explains my blindness to Clinton's good looks. I voted for them because, unlike Poppy, they could speak English. Also, Poppy developed a whine in the early '90's that used to curl my hair. Little did I know that this was only a prelude to what the Bush family had in store for us come 2000. Also, Clinton and Gore seemed to have ideas. And because they smoked pot. Oh yeah, I agreed with them on a few of the issues.

I am hoping do soccer mom's even pay attention to politics? was quested in sarcasm or meant to represent Republican soccer moms? One, it's highly irritating to have Rush think he has his finger on my pulse, let alone watching DU fall for the same stereotype. I voted for Clinton because I'm not stupid. I looked past the (what I term) icky sincerity and saw someone who wasn't going to screw my kids over...Yes, my kids come first, but that's what makes us soccer moms so concerned about politics in the first place. I didn't just cry on 9/11, I railed against the A**hole who put us in the position in the first place. I avidly read the inquiries into that day, and only hope the families of 9/11 victims will bring this administration to its collective knees...if nothing else. I have gone to 4 Meetups for Dean..., written thousands of letters of protest...refused to be present for Laura's speech to the contestants when my daughter participated in the National Spelling Bee last year, and so on...I have alienated fellow PTO moms and gotten into defense discussions with my retired AF Uncle....Sooooooo, you tell me, do I care about politics???? Do you? Does anybody? There is no room for the soccer mom stereotype here. I know there's lots of us posting here.