I'll vote for John Kerry before I ever vote for Wes Clark

and you know how much I love John :eyes: but at least Kerry has been a Democrat for a long time and has served in civilian public office before deciding to run for President.

Clark isn't even registered as a Democrat --
http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/oct2003/nf2003101_0874_db038.htm

And with him raising funds for Republicans in 2001 and praising Bush and the PNAC gang, Clark will never get a vote from me. There is no way that Clark should be the Prez nominee and Dem Party leader after the news about him being an Independent.

and that's saying a lot for me!

I like my Democratic candidates to actually be Democrats, thankyouverymuch.

or am I thinking of someone else with the same avatar?

He'll be heartbroken.



CLARK FOR PRESIDENT
"I'm going to give them the TRUTH and they'll THINK it's hell."
Retyred IN FLA.

that's a paraphrase of a Harry S. Truman quote. I'm sure you didn't intend to imply that Clark said it, but I just wanted to make sure you knew to whom the quote should actually be attributed. Thanks!

Btw, Clark has come out against the PNAC agenda, regardless of how much "praise" he gave the "PNAC gang".

Horrors! An independent! Like most of the country! Back, you evil Satan independent!

(Oh, now I"m just joking around).

Kerry is much more progressive socially than Dean!

but weren't you one attacking Dean for being too far right? And now you're all happy about clark being interchangable as a repuke or dem?

Makes no sense.

If Clark is an independent, let him run as one.

He's not even a Republican. In fact, on his professed opinions, he seems to be slightly to the left of Dean. I don't think I've ever called Dean far right, but I do have a problem with him on several levels, including being straight about his *centrist* record--not that he is a centrist.

What makes no sense, IMO, is all the DUers who say "Don't Label Dean! He's unlabelable!" when things come up against him, but now are going ballistic over Clark not wearing the correct name tag.

My major concern is to beat Bush. I support Edwards for that reason (among others), and I like Clark's chances of doing so. In fact, since most Americans are independents, I'd say his chances keep getting better.

Oh, yeah, now THAT's a good idea.

Not.

He'll be heartbroken!



CLARK FOR PRESIDENT
"I'm going to give them the TRUTH and they'll THINK it's hell."
Retyred IN FLA.

:hi:

Heheh...Pastiche...that really cracked me up when I read it.

P.S. I really was serious. :-)

He'll be delighted.

Do you want Bush for 4 more years? I think the General is the most electable.

and is as untrustworthy as Bush.

even if he gets the nomination.


And I am willing to vote for Lieberman, who I loath.

The funny thing about many Dean supporters is that they aren't Democrats either.

would actually be a Democrat.

Clark is Naderizing the Democratic Primaries.

I would love to know how you came to that conclusion.

I have to be a Dem to be on that committe and the chairperson does vet prospective committee members before asking the other committee members to approve candidates for the committee. I was vetted and passed.

A Clark nomination would be a sham and a final death blow to the integrity of the Democratic Party and those that lead it.

Clark is STILL leading in the polls. There are enough people who want to see bush beat who think Clark is the man to do it. And he will only gain more supporters as time goes on.

I've always said, I don't want our nominee to pander to the lefties. That's how Gore lost the last time. Please!

Do you want "outed" by "Chip" Rove? COOL YOUR HEELS, folks! Gen. Clark SAYS he's a Democrat; therefore he IS one! LOTS of people who are "registered" Democrats in my neck of the woods are, in fact, Repubs in everything but name--they vote Repub--and often for those of the Jesse Helms stripe--they act, talk, and think like Repubs. Except for the Dem. primary, of course, where they vote for the weakest candidate hoping he or she will get the nomination, thereby hoping to make their Repub favorite a shoo-in in the fall.

Wes Clark SAYS he's a Democrat, TALKS like a Democrat, and, in fact, he ACTS like one (heck, he voted for Al Gore in 2000; what more can we ask of him in the most recent presidential election?). :eyes:

It's time to be shrill about Dub, "Chip" Rove and "Nofacts", and the TREASON they've committed, NOT to pile on Gen. Clark just because he's taking appeal--and potential votes--from your favorite presidential candidate. If you don't want him to be the nominee, work hard for YOUR man (or woman); don't make ridiculous threats or "snipe" from the gutter at another candidate. I won't do that to Howard Dean or John Kerry for anything; (and certainly won't do it to my home-state senator!) please don't do it to my candidate!

B-)

Wes Clark SAYS he's a Democrat, TALKS like a Democrat, and, in fact, he ACTS like one (heck, he voted for Al Gore in 2000; what more can we ask of him in the most recent presidential election?).

voted for Gore in 2000, then turned around and helped the repubs raise money in 2001. remember, in 2001, the repubs were on top of the world, and Clark wanted to be on their side. now it looks like the repubs are losing, and Clark wants to be on the other side. that my friend, is opportunism plain and simple.

what more could we ask of him? how about consistency and loyalty.

and I won't vote him even if he wins the nomination?

Because the Dean is Mean meme is really taking off these days. So is the "Dean's blog is mean." meme.

I fear that Clark could pull the same shit W is, but be smart enough to pull it off and get away with it.

Clinton did some of that crap... with welfare reform and the bombing in kosovo.

Kosovars basically worship Madeleine Albright and Bill Clinton for saving them from genocide.

Leave Clark the hell alone.

he's not that smart?

But that republican CLark can take his 4 little stars and shove them right up his...

:eyes:

eom.

and then Carol Mosley Braun. And I'm refraining from my decision on Wesley Clark...An Independent ain't so bad...thinking of Jim Jeffords and Bernie Sanders..

I read some Good Stuff about Clark from Marty Jezer today in my "Progressive Populist"...So I'll see what happens.

I just don't like those inside the beltwayers who are way out of touch with our Democratic Principles.

You have finally found an excuse to bolt the party if you don't get you way. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

A lot of you Deaniacs claimed that we couldn't know that he was a Democrat because in Arkansas, you don't specify which party you belong to when you register to vote. Now it sounds like you are using this to claim he is an independant.

The 9 original Dem candidates were at least members of the Dem party for years. I may disagree with them over positions they have taken, but at least they have been Democrats. I would vote for any of them, including Lieberman who I despise, but my enthusiasm is not transferable from Dean to the other registered Dem candidates. They would have to earn it; however, I'd bash Bush constantly.

Clark is a registered Independent and should be disqualified from running for the Dem nomination. Allowing him to feign Democrat does a great disservice to the Democratic Party. He's a blatant fraud and if he does win the Dem nomination, then the Dem Party is dead and has no integrity.

Them's my choices, so far.

But I do like Kucinich.

;-)

He'll be heartbroken.



CLARK FOR PRESIDENT
"I'm going to give them the TRUTH and they'll THINK it's hell."
Retyred IN FLA.

supposedly an independant, yet, they will bolt the party if their candidate doesn't get the nomination.

I guess I can see now why folks think something needs to be done with GD.

It is Kerry's long Democratic record and service which drew me to him to start with.
Thanks Lark!

But I never thought of it as some great sacrifice.

Gee, are you people going to refuse to accept any independent votes that Dean receives?

then Kerry then Gephardt

His supporters have turned me totally against him. They verify for me by what comes out of their mouth more about his candidacy then anything Clark or his handlers might spin. The type of people he attracts, the ferociousness of their attacks on anybody who has a question, and their total disdain for the "left" is enough for me to be completely turned off. I will vote for him if I have to but I am not impressed.

:eyes:

However, it does bother me that he was fundraising for the repubs in 2001, (supposedly?) made the comment that he would be a repub if Rove had returned his call, and praised the Shrub administration AT ANY POINT.

I'll admit this right now- I was one of the people who thought he might be a good candidate for us. But these things ARE valid concerns.

Some (not all) of the Clark supporters are apparently incapable of admitting that he has any faults, and that's just ridiculous. If you refuse to admit the obvious, your audience will not listen to the rest of what you have to say- no matter how valid it may be.

While I haven't ruled out voting for Clark in Nov., I do wish he and his campaign would actually address these issues. Even his supporters addressing them would be nice, rather than simply blowing off people who want more information before pledging allegiance to such an unknown.

Yes, I am a Dean supporter. And no, I don't think he's perfect at all. And no, I have not been fooled or duped into supporting him.

Thus far, from the things I've heard from both of these candidates, I trust Clark to tell the truth much more than I trust Howard Dean to do so.

nominatio, and this is not a concern of yours? To this Democrat, this fact makes Clark's campaign a con job.

After this revelation, Clark's word isn't worth the paper it's written on or the air he breathes. At least Dean ascended the Democratic ranks on effort and courage.

At least Lieberman isn't a liar.

The man is the enemy.

I'm serious!