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expatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 09:43 PM
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Have mobs overrun the Tulane Medical Center?
As reported on Radio Reference

also, thread on FR: here


The fucking freepers are confused as to why they would target a medical facility. The only logical reason they can think of, of course, is drugs. Most of them are advocating shooting all of them on sight.

It is as if they admitted to themselves that these people are so fucking desparate for clean water and food, their whole world fiew would collapse.




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tx_dem41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 09:45 PM
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1. I believe it was University Hospital...which is the old LSU Med
Center just down the street (next to Charity). My father-in-law is on the staff at Tulane. We talked to him after this was reported. Nothing going on at Tulane.
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 09:48 PM
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6. Have you heard from your mother in law?
I know you were worried about her.
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tx_dem41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 09:52 PM
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9. YES! As of 2PM this afternoon, she and her dau (my S-I-L) were ...
outside of Baton Rouge and headed for Alexandria (where hopefully they will meet up with my F-I-L being evacuated from Tulane over the weekend).

They had been in Bogalusa, LA during the hurricane. This morning they were told it would be 12 weeks until electricity would be restored. So, they skedaddled to family in Alexandria.

I really appreciate you asking me about them. Thanks. :)
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 09:55 PM
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10. I am so happy and relieved for you!
The stories of loved ones found are what keeps it together for me. I hope life soon returns to some semblance of normal for them. :hi:
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tx_dem41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 09:59 PM
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13. Thank you for those thoughts! n/t
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Telly Savalas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 09:57 PM
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11. Good to hear.
Cheers.
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tx_dem41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 09:59 PM
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12. Thank you!
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 09:45 PM
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2. Is flush limpballs in the crowd??? Hide the Oxycontin!
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Bombtrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 09:46 PM
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3. Is Tulane intact?
I have 2 friends who go there
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tx_dem41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 09:48 PM
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5. My father-in-law works on staff there....
it was fine after this reported. I believe it is just another rumor floating around.
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fishnfla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 09:50 PM
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8. school file here
Edited on Wed Aug-31-05 09:50 PM by fishnfla
www.wwltv.com/forums/
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tx_dem41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 09:47 PM
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4. BTW, after reading your post, it really offends me that you would
in any way advocating/justifying mobs overrunning a hospital where for one thing premature babies are being cared for (and my Father-in-Law is taking care of them).

It HIGHLY offends me.
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expatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 10:00 PM
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14. um, it highly offends me that you think the mob's out to harm the patients
Edited on Wed Aug-31-05 10:06 PM by expatriot
advocating and justifying are two completely different things.

I think you should be more offended at why the situation has been allowed to deteriorate so badly. It has been three days and just now thing are "starting" to happen. This country has so many resources that could have been there by now. I live next to a fricking Marine Corps Air Station with Chinook military transports and c-130's up the wazoo and they have sat there for days flying on their manuevers..... thousands of marines stationed there, they could have been delivering water... water and food trucks could be filing into the area from all of the nation like three DAYS ago if some people in power would have cared. Don't blame the mobs and looting for the problems, the mob-rule and pillaging is happening because the problem was not DEALT with. People's survival mechanisms are very strong and they know when they have been abandoned, forgotten. these people are so fucking desperate and becoming mad-crazy with thirst, hunger and rage.
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tx_dem41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 10:03 PM
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15. A mob overrunning a hospital with severely premature babies...
does not have to mean to do harm...to do harm.
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expatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 10:14 PM
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18. The failure of our government to adequately aid and protect
this city has led to the creation of these mobs. If you had an adequate security presence combined with an adequate disaster relief presence, you would not have this out of control problem that you have now with mob rule.

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tx_dem41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 10:43 PM
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22. The lack of security in NO way excuses the mob...
we aren't talking about a grocery store here. We are talking about a highly specialized university medical center, where these babies do not need to be disturbed. I have been in that nursery numerous times. Its the most precious place in the world.
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Catch22Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 09:49 PM
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7. Oh, look at this racist prick's reply!
The MSM will go out of its way not to show the race of these guys....
29 posted on 08/31/2005 12:47:40 PM PDT by konaice
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 10:06 PM
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17. Too bad that most of the drugs are in computerized
PYXS systems--inaccessible without electricity.
Haven't you heard some of the requests from the medical community for drugs?
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 10:16 PM
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19. Gee, don't confuse people with facts!
:-)
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 10:16 PM
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20. I'd expect hospitals eventually to be looted.
They have been during other disasters when looters weren't shot.

They take the food and water; it's not like the patients need it.

They take the drugs.

They take pretty much everything else they can take, too.
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Ms. Clio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 10:31 PM
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21. Yes, happens whenever the people in charge sit on their thumbs
Just like Baghdad.

As if telling those people "looters will be shot" would have the remotest effect on their behavior--who the hell is around to enforce such an order?
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tx_dem41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 10:47 PM
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24. Please read my post #23.
And, then, please limply continued to justify your beloved looters.
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Ms. Clio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 10:52 PM
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25. How dare you imply that I am "justifying" violent crime
There are whole degrees of difference in these scenarios that people seem unable to grasp.

I don't think ANYBODY believes that people who would attack a hospital don't deserve to be stoppoed by whatever means necessary.

I am sick to death of the deliberate attempt to paint everyone trying to survive under apocalyptic conditions as evil scumbags.
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tx_dem41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 10:53 PM
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26. Your attempt to blame it on the lack of security is...
disgusting.
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Ms. Clio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 10:56 PM
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28. No, the failure to provide any sort of security is disgusting
Just like those Baghdad hospitals.

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tx_dem41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 11:06 PM
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30. As is the behavior of any mob that would enter a hospital.
Sorry for ranting, but I get pretty emotional thinking about this.
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Ms. Clio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 11:13 PM
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31. We're all on edge -- If an armed mob truly is assaulting the hospital
then it does seem as if all order is breaking down. But I do think these will turn out to be fairly isolated and extreme instances--if FEMA et al. can just do what the world's last superpower surely is capable of doing. I just can't bear to think of how long all this might last.
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 11:20 PM
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32. Many people survive quite nicely without security,
under nasty conditions and otherwise.

In some people, it brings out community spirit. In others, the lust for power. In yet others, greed.

I certainly didn't say that I considered everybody entering a 7-11 to take a loaf of bread to be scumbags. On the other hand, I find very little to declare just in what's going on in NOLA.

Looting, however, tends not to stay with small things like bread and milk. Others see that taking bread and milk isn't punished, see no difference between needs and wants, and it quickly becomes evident the only thing maintaining their conformity to the conventional views of morality and ethics is outside pressure.

From sneakers and camcorders to hospital supplies and equipment's a small step, IMHO.
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Ms. Clio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 11:33 PM
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34. And then there are all the people who are capable of maintaining
their own moral values no matter what they see other people doing.

True enough that we don't know what's going on and I believe we will eventually hear incredible tales of both horror and heroism.
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tx_dem41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 10:46 PM
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23. My father-in-law in the head neonatologist at that hospital....he has...
been taking care of a nursery full of severely premature babies 24-7 since Saturday. Those precious patients and those doctors and nurses need every bit of food and water there.
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 10:56 PM
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27. Are the babies mothers there?
I hope so. Poor babies. :cry:
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tx_dem41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 11:05 PM
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29. They usually are...right now...who knows., unfortunately.
Thanks for your thoughts.
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 11:25 PM
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33. That sucks
If the mothers were there at least they'd have kangaroo care as an option for food and warmth. :( Hopefully they can evac the babies to a safer facility and reunite them with thier families very soon. I'm positively heartsick thinking about such tiny vulnerable babies caught in this mess. :cry:
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Leilani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 11:51 PM
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35. I'm very happy your family is fine.
I've also been thinking about the unsung heroes of this disaster...the medical people & the National Guard.

I've heard stories from the hospitals of what these people are going through...no power, ventilating people manually, & carrying patients up floor by floor to avoid the water. The caregivers are heroic.

Also, last I heard, the Nat'l Guard had rescued 3000 people from rooftops & the like. They are refusing breaks & are working 24/7, as are the doctors & nurses.

I believe peoples' true character is revealed under adversity.
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tx_dem41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 08:23 AM
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36. For those that followed this...I talked to my father-in-law this morning..
there was an attempt to overrun TMC yesterday. It was unsuccessful. No patients or staff were hurt.
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