CNN's Spellman report -"Poor cannot get on the buses(superdome)"

Says the hotel guests and well to do are getting on the buses to be evacuated from the Superdome, and the poor people on the street cannot get on the buses.

:puke:

no Red Cross where the poor are !!!

And why can't the buses going to the dome bring food/water/medicine?

folks for stealing water. god.

maybe you might have noticed threads about mob rule in New Orleans.

Can't you distinguish between needing police to try and restore order for those trying to just get out and the bogus assertion they're arresting people for stealing water?

the mayor, the gov and even our not so esteemed president have called for "zero-tolerance" for looters?

Is it not a fact that police have been called off rescue to prosecute looting? Earlier you drew a comparison to shooting at helicopters to looting. They are hardly the same thing.

Perhaps both of us have been a little guilty of being a tad OTT, but, as progressives I really fail to understand how we can sit idly by and watch this kind of travesty of racial injustice and instead worry about the looting of worthless consumer goods that won't survive the cleanup anyway.

being "arrested for stealing water".

Link?

I said it was OTT, in other words, hyperbole to emphasize how fucked up our priorites are. So, even though I wasn't talking to you, thanks for helping to emphasize my point.

:hi:

Crying, getting so damn mad.
This is all too unreal.

This is BushCo we're talking about, remember?

it always can!

As much as I hate them, I have always underestimated this admins ability FUBAR.

:(

of what it could be like if the avian flu becomes a devastating pandemic. Sooner or later, it's going to mutate into a strain that's highly contagious. If that strain is also highly lethal and our government responds to an outbreak with the efficiency displayed thus far in response to Katrina.... :scared:

We will watch our children die. Except the really wealthy who will be able to by the anti-viral. Our government will be incapable or unwilling to do anything to help us.

revolt given the situation.

The reason people are shooting a choppers, and doing some of the other things is simply they feel abandoned, and feel thier government has failed them. Which sadly it has. No one except the people abandoned to this polluted, dank, rotting hell know how it feels. I am quite sure more than a few of these keyboard warriors around here would have a different view if they were in the same spot.

People going without water, food, and medication have started or will soon start dieing. No one but those there can feel the suffering of pbeing left in a mass of dead bodies, torn buildings, and shattered futures.

Of course more than a few have ideas of a bit of revolution, i am pretty sure i would myself in the same situation.

I guess when the division is man vs nature rather than conservatives vs liberals, CNN's guard is down and they're more apt to let the truth slip in to their reporting.

Are there hotels in the Superdome or something?

that indeed happened at all.

Frankly, I'm mad enough to shoot in the general direction of a helicopter myself.

:grr:

They are not getting the NEWS like everyone else is. They have no clue that people are still being brought in from roof tops, etc. They see the workers come and bring back more people. But not helping them.

Granted, they are on dry land on that bridge. But they have NO FOOD OR WATER. There is NO excuse for that.

Isn't it great the mayor of NOLA pulled police officers off who were rescuing people and reassigned them to protect rotting,watery property?

the reporter was at the Convention Center, where there are ten to fifteen thousand refugees who apparently have been totally ignored . . . no National Guard, no FEMA, no Red Cross, no Salvation Army, no cops, no one but people starving and dehydrating . . . there's no water, and the reporter said there were many bodies inside the Center, and that he even watched a baby die just a few minutes before his report . . .

the buses he was referring to were taking guests from some hotel on Canal Street . . . the buses were apparently arranged for by the hotel specifically for their guests, and no one else was being permitted to board them . . . his point was that the people with money were able to help themselves, but those without had to rely on others, and no help had arrived yet . . .

this is such unforgivable negligence that it makes my stomach turn . . . four days in, and NO ONE has come to help these thousands, or even provide them with some bottled water . . .

I didn't know people were there!

He said a man just walked up to him and asked him to get the word out that the people at the COnvention Center - and Harry specifically corrected himself to say "the Ernest Morial COnvention Center" - needed help and someone had just died there.

The truth, when it finally gets out there, will be very very sad.

The Morial Convention Center is massive and sits along the Mississippi River. Why the hell are they not sending at least a relief boat in there with supplies? Of course, I have been wondering why they cant even use a helicopter.

This just keeps getting more and more surreal.

If you can afford private transport your life will be spared. If you are in a position where you are depending on government run aid/evacuation you may or may not receive help in time.

CNN did a good job pointing that out I felt.

to help get themselves back on their feet.

I'll be watching enlistment numbers real close.
This would be a forced draft, and economic draft.

seeing that report -- I cannot believe the incompetence that I am seeing!!!!! The Center was a designated safe area and the people there have been completely abandones by the authorities.

I am about to explode out here in SF. :mad:

They have a home somewhere. They won't require long-term FEMA/Red Cross services. Keeping them there will only put a bigger strain on limited resources.

Same goes for the well-to-do.

I don't see these people being evacuated first to be a bad thing. Get them out of there and then help the people who are going to need the help for a good long time.

There is some logic to your response.

However, you fail to appreciate what the act of "evacuation" means.
If the poor are left till last, many will not survive. So would not your proposal favor those with means for survival over those without means, who are more likely not to survive?

I believe yesterday I heard they were evacuating the medically fragile first.

This isn't an either/or situation.

The longer the wait to be evacuated, the higher the risk of dehydration, illness, and bacterial infection from the unsanitary conditions and lack of medical care.

Are you really saying that the "well to do" should go first and let the economically disadvantaged perish?

Christ alfuckingmighty, that has to be one of the cruelest statements I've read yet on this subject.

Sheesh. Yeah, just leave the poor there to starve and perish. :eyes:

If they can pick people up, then they can drop supplies off. One would assume they'd pick up the medically fragile first (that was the word yesterday, anyway.)

Everyone is at risk there. I'd prefer to get some people out of the way first so that the rest of them have supplies.

it was my favorite european city and it's gone. it will never come back. the heart of the city was that it wasn't corporate-owned. it lived on the edge. it will never be the same.

this is a culling.

And allow one caretaker per child or per medically disabled person (including frail elderly people who need medical care).

The healthier adults are more able to withstand the horrific conditions until they can get evaced out of there.

Unless they've changed it, the medically fragile were supposed to be taken out of there first.

to help get themselves back on their feet.

I'll be watching enlistment numbers real close.
This would be a forced draft, and economic draft.