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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 11:37 AM
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Poll question: Are you confident that the Federal government will keep your city safe?
Edited on Thu Sep-01-05 11:39 AM by tridim
If there's a similar natural disaster in your state?

I did, for the first 30 years of my life. Apparently I was deluded, the federal government is less than worthless. I will never trust the government again, Republican or Democrat. Another casualty of 5 years of BushCo.
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skypilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 11:39 AM
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1. Ha Ha Ha!!!
I voted no.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 11:40 AM
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2. Not now! If I ever did.
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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 11:40 AM
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3. People had better prepare to survive a disaster without help.
Of course, that was always good advice, but New Orleans is becoming an object lesson in how far gone our government has become.
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blurp Donating Member (769 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 12:01 PM
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7. Our government? I don't live in New Orleans. It's not my government.
Edited on Thu Sep-01-05 12:47 PM by blurp
The people that should be most interested in the safety of a city are the people living in the that city and their elected Mayor.

I know I was interested. I live in Florida and followed that storm for days and days.

What happened in NO? The very authorities that should have been most interested in what that hurricane could do were some of the least interested until it was too late.

Here is what the computer models were saying Friday night:



That level of agreement is amazing! It almost never happens.

Further, NO was in the "cone" since Friday 5 am and right in the middle of projected path by 11 pm.





I'm not saying anyone deserved any of what happened. But I do think that part of the loss has to be blamed on complacency and expecting someone else to pay attention. Walking around thinking that the Federal government is going to be there to save you is down right dangerous.


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F.Gordon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 12:15 PM
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9. Perty maps
:P

I like perty maps.
:silly:

And your point is what? Quote: I don't live in New Orleans. It's not mine

Do you own Florida? Is Florida all mine? :crazy:
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 11:41 AM
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4. i think my state and city would do a decent job
at least they seem able to learn from past disasters.
but the feds? i'm not sure i would even want them to try at this point.
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RPM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 11:43 AM
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5. wait - can i switch from "no" to "other"
i think they would actually attack it. Since there seems to be such a disregard for poor blacks in NOLA, I have no reason thinking they wouldnt do the same to the poor blacks in Pittsburgh.

in fact, now that they are becoming accustomed to ethnic clensing (blacks in NOLA, muslims in Iraq) perhaps the ** government would be willing to outright attack my city to get rid of blacks and democrats.

It's not like they havent done it before...
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Lilith Velkor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 12:20 PM
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10. same here
My city is 70+% black.
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blurp Donating Member (769 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 11:46 AM
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6. The implication is that it should -- screw that.

The question itself implies something stupid: that the federal government is responsible for keeping a city safe.

Well, maybe to some degree. But anybody that puts all their saftey in the hands of people 1,000s of miles away is an idiot.

Mayors are the people charged first with keeping the city safe. That's one reason we have them. They are the cities' CEOs. Of anyone, they should know best how to handle the city's safety.






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F.Gordon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 12:09 PM
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8. *cough* Bullshit!! *cough*
I don't know where to start. How bout' the way Homeland Security money has been dished out by the * administration like Political Campaign Contributions. Money used to upgrade First Responder systems.

When I heard the Mayor of New Orleans say that the biggest problem they had early on was "communication"... I was floored. The city literally didn't know what was happening because they didn't have anyway to communicate with the first responders..... or the people. They had no hard backup system to use... in this the "greatest nation on earth" :-( New Orleans became not unlike any other city in some 3rd world country.

Let's also chat about how the tax cuts have helped :eyes: cities all across this country by forcing them to reduce the number of first responders and their equipment.

I could go on.... but it would be pointless. The fact is.. the federal government has everything to do with keeping people in the country safe.

Have a nice day!
:hi:
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blurp Donating Member (769 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 12:46 PM
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11. Very poor reasoning. Sad really.
Edited on Thu Sep-01-05 12:50 PM by blurp
I don't know where to start. How bout' the way Homeland Security money has been dished out by the * administration like Political Campaign Contributions. Money used to upgrade First Responder systems.

This is an argument for federal responsibility? The federal government spends based on politics rather than safety and you think they should be more involved? :crazy:

When I heard the Mayor of New Orleans say that the biggest problem they had early on was "communication"... I was floored. The city literally didn't know what was happening because they didn't have anyway to communicate with the first responders..... or the people. They had no hard backup system to use... in this the "greatest nation on earth" :-( New Orleans became not unlike any other city in some 3rd world country.

The person that should be most interested in his city's communication system didn't know it was inadequate. If the Mayor doesn't know, how is the Federal government to know?

Let's also chat about how the tax cuts have helped :eyes: cities all across this country by forcing them to reduce the number of first responders and their equipment.

Why can't cities raise their taxes to pay for such things? It makes little sense to send the money to DC only to have it sent back to you.

Again, the people that should have been most interested in all of these issues were the least interested. Expecting the federal government to care more than the city government is silly.




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F.Gordon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 12:51 PM
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13. That's me!!!
Terrible reasoning. Sad person I am I am.
:silly:

Why can't cities raise their taxes to pay for such things?

Are you for fucking real? Are you sure you live in this country? That'd be the US of fucking A?

It's one thing to know that you need something, it's quite another to be able to obtain it. Go back and play with your perty maps.

Have a nice day!!
:hi:
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LuCifer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 12:49 PM
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12. 2 words: JEB BUSHitler
And we all know what a SPLENDID job the asshole did last year when this state had FOUR hurricanes. BRING BACK LAWTON CHILDES!!!!!!!!! I don't care if he's dead, bring him back wouldja hurry up!?!?!?

Lu
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Winston702 Donating Member (106 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 12:58 PM
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14. That's why
I own an SKS, 12 gauge, and .45 Kimber
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 01:09 PM
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15. Ok, my point is made..
We don't trust the federal government to perform one of it's primary functions, disaster relief. Bullshit wars and treasury looting aside, this solidifies the fact that our government is not working for the people any longer. Why then should we continue to recognize and fund the government? We have no leadership, no representation and no security. Yet if I refuse to pay taxes for lack of representation I will be imprisoned.

IS IT TIME TO STORM THE BASTILLE?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=4552178
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