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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 03:48 PM
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Dean isn't calling for Bush* to resign either.
Edited on Thu Sep-01-05 03:52 PM by LoZoccolo
You gonna saw "screw Dean" when he doesn't? Or if he says the same thing that Clinton did? Just curious.

I don't think Kucinich has said anything either.

I should add that I was a Dean supporter throughout much of the primaries...I just think that a lot of these anti-Clinton people wouldn't hold Dean to the same standard for some reason.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 03:50 PM
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1. I say screw anyone who doesn't ask him to resign or doesn't at least deman
accountability. Bush called off the work on the levees and now people are dying. Why do we allow this to continue without saying anything? Look at the polls and emails! America wants accountability. why don't the Dems?
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SmokingJacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 03:50 PM
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Give him time to find out the facts.
There's no point in accusing anyone until all the facts are *absolutely* straight. He MUST find out what - EXACTLY - failed here first, then he can let the accusations fly.

But I do have faith in Dean. He sent me the first email asking that I donate to the Red Cross.

Of course if he suddenly turns rah-rah about Bush I'll be shocked and sickened.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 03:57 PM
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18. FACTS? They don't need no
stinking FACTS! Just SCREW EVERYBODY ON THE GOD DAMN PLANET!
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Zomby Woof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 03:50 PM
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2. Screw Dean
I am ALWAYS up for saying that. He is worthless.

Meanwhile, I would rather concentrate my energy on the PEOPLE of the Gulf Coast, and not be preoccupied on an unhealthy level with what Clinton said.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 03:56 PM
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15. Yeah, you're always saying that
and it means ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. ZERO.
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Zomby Woof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 04:03 PM
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32. It means something to me
And many others, so I will continue saying it. Music to my ears. :-)
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Hobarticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 03:51 PM
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3. Damn you, Kucinich!!! A traitor to the party!!! n/t

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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 03:54 PM
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11. Yeah, he's not a real Democrat, like...
...like...um...like...
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Hobarticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 04:03 PM
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30. Cue 'Jeopardy' theme...n/t
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info being Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 03:51 PM
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4. In a week I'll say screw Dean
If he doesn't resign, he should be...never mind.
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Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 03:51 PM
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5. Did Dean say no one could have expected what happened in New Orleans?
nt
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 03:57 PM
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17. Let's ask him so we can all prove how progressive we are...
...when he says no, so we can say "screw him!" It'll be fun! And it'll score us progressive points.
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Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 04:07 PM
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37. Kind of touchy, no? The anger at Clinton is based on his claiming no one
could have forseen the catastrophe in New Orleans. This is pretty obviously untrue and said to defend an Administration that doesn't deserve defending. And asking Dean your question would hardly show how progressive we are, but then again, you're not trying to make sense here, are you?
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ElectroPrincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 04:02 PM
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28. EVERYONE in New Orleans *knew* this exact same scenario
could, and sooner or later would happen!

Those who claim, "Who' da thunk it?" are outright liars.

Again, it was common knowledge that NO was below sea level and that the risk was always there from a "direct hit" by a hurricane.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 03:51 PM
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6. Great, now Howard Dean is a DLC Bush Lite
:eyes:

The "what have you done for me lately" attitude of some people here is amazing.
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 03:53 PM
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8. I'm not actually against Dean or Clinton.
I'm just wondering if people are as short-fused about Dean as they are about Clinton.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 04:57 PM
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43. I see your point
and I agree with your frustration.
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DinahMoeHum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 03:51 PM
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7. Methinks Dean is just gonna let Bush and his mis-administration flounder
on this blunder.

:evilfrown:
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apnu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 03:57 PM
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16. he's still got to make his presense known.
and a few emails and a web page aren't enough. That's lame... really lame.

He should get on the fucking news, or get down there with waders and start helping people. THAT would be something.
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 03:53 PM
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9. I think maybe I'll just say
screw you for trying to score petty points today.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 03:59 PM
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22. Go Toronto!
Yay! Canada!
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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 04:03 PM
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33. Hear, hear!
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democrank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 03:54 PM
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10. LoZoccolo....
Both Kucinich and Dean have more spine than that worthless POS president who was playing in California the night so many Americans were drowning in Louisiana and Mississippi.

Neither Dean nor Kucinich have control over FEMA. Maybe you should contact George Bush.
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 03:55 PM
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13. Clinton doesn't have control over FEMA anymore either.
So why are we "screwing" him?
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K-W Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 03:57 PM
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20. Because he made excuses for Bush. EOM
Edited on Thu Sep-01-05 03:58 PM by K-W
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 04:00 PM
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25. So is Dean with his SILENCE!
Right? And Kucinich too!
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K-W Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 04:03 PM
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31. Of course that isnt right.
I only critisize people for legitimate wrongs.

But I do realize now that this thread is pointed not at people critisizing his comments, but at those people calling for every Democrat to storm the whitehouse, so consider my objection withdrawn.
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yankeedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 03:55 PM
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12. There is a time for this
It isn't now. The right wing would LOVE to make this a political pissing contest, and have us forget the victims. Dean shouldn't take the bait.
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 03:55 PM
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14. You have it almost right.
Edited on Thu Sep-01-05 03:56 PM by LoZoccolo
Actually, I'd say there's no time for this, but saying now's not the time for this is better than saying that now is the time for this.
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blue4barb Donating Member (367 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 03:57 PM
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19. Will Jesse Jackson call for bush* to resign? Where is Jesse Jackson?
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 03:58 PM
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21. Where's the link?
n/t
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 03:59 PM
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23. Um...how can I explain this...
...um...I can't give a link to something someone didn't do?
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 03:59 PM
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24. Clinton should not have been political...
...but he also should have kept his mouth shut instead of once again undercutting any criticism of Bush.

He should have stayed "on message" about the need to help people, without reprising his "I support the Iraq War" Bush apologist number again either.
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 04:02 PM
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27. Bush* undercuts the harsh elements of the right wing all the time.
Right before the war he said that the protesters had a right to protest, at the same time Michael Savage was saying that we should be put in prison camps, and Bill O'Reilly was implying we were traitors. Didn't really undercut a thing.

They know how to work public opinion...we need to learn.
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K-W Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 04:04 PM
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34. Yes we should definately be more like Republicans. nt
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 04:04 PM
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35. You're choosing not to get it.
Edited on Thu Sep-01-05 04:05 PM by LoZoccolo
Which is where I stop wasting my time.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 04:19 PM
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39. Where I disagree with you is this...
You areabsolutely correct that Clinton should not have second-guessed Bush or criticized him (at this point).

However there is a difference between that and going out of his way to let Bush off the hook, and support the lie that "no one could have foreseen what happened."

Anyone watching TV, listening to the radio or reading trhe papers could foresee what was about to happen.

Clinton should have stuck to the need to pull together to resolve the immediate crisis.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 04:00 PM
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26. In fact, if Dean did
the story would turn from "Chimpy is a failure" to "E-e-e-e-evil Democrats are playing politics" in a heartbeat.
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 04:02 PM
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29. Exactly.
Edited on Thu Sep-01-05 04:03 PM by LoZoccolo
Let the pundits say this stuff. They're more immune.

I can't believe that people on a political message board don't see that this is what the Republicans do all the time.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 04:36 PM
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42. You wonder what planet some of these folks live on....
Don't they see how this stuff WORKS?
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 04:07 PM
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36. Go LoZoccolo!!
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kerry-is-my-prez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 04:11 PM
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38. I'm no Dean fan but we don't need to say a thing....
We don't need to state the obvious - it will only make us look opportunistic...

In additon - he doesn't need to take the bright lights off of the Bush incompetence.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 04:32 PM
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40. Yep. It's ridiculous. I am sure Clinton will address Bush's lack of
leadership when the time/place are right.

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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 04:33 PM
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41. If he says the same thing Clinton did?
Yes. And you can bookmark this. He does that...and I'm officially not a Democrat any more.
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