Clinton is no patriot, he is a shill for them.

True then and true now, and to think I slapped down $30 for his book.

To think how many times I defended him, I was long ago sick of them covering for Bush, but never again.

From here on out Democrats that defend Clinton and his whoring are on ignore.

He loses me more and more everyday.

OH BECAUSE ACCPETING HELP FROM THE REST OF THE WORLD WOULD SHOW HOW BIG BUSHCO FUCKED THIS UP.

FUCK BILL.

about this. as a matter of fact i think it might be possible that he did. listening to what bush did say, it appears bush is going that way and i thought clinton and bush 1 might have absolutely talked to him about this. i dont know. i will have to see what happens

but how do you know clinton DIDNT talk about taking aid world wide. why are you blaming clinton for something you dont even know. or has clinton spoken and i havent heard his words

confused

that clinton is now working for and call it even?

And while you are at it, put me on ignore. You've won my second ignore of all time.

Just don't say I didn't warn you.

Did BC piss in your cheerios or what?

REPUBLICAN!!!!

Clinton standing up for the limp efforts of Bush has drawn a line in the sand.

I have lost all respect I thought I had for the man...

We don't need apologist we need leaders.

I agree with you, thought this for quite a while now.
Used to be blind about him because he was my Govenor and because I was a fool...

But well...... you know :)

I agree with you. Even if he feels now is not the time to be critical he should at least just shut up. Do NOT go sit next to Senior and push the Bush agenda.

You people are so consumed with hatred of Bush that any Democrat who does not display the same is suddenly one of them...get your head out of your ass.

Bush deserves criticism, and from us it is fine. It is not Clinton's place to criticize him, particularly not now.

The issue here is the crisis in the south, not hatred for Bush!

Fuck him, you are so blind.

check your own self at this point. You are not even making sense.

this is not the time for common sense and letting that stuff go for now.
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Goes to show you how polarized this country has become. Sad actually.

Bush has so consistently lied, and so consistently fucked up everything he has tried, I understand the feeling people have toward him. And I understand the gut emotion that occurs when people on our side do not always seem to share the same visceral feelings about him. But, in a situation like this, we need to be mature enough to set that aside temporarily to help people in crisis.

That Bush has totally messed this up is obvious, and any support he received from Clinton today will make no diffrence. Meanwhile, Clinton, by accepting the job Bush gave him not only is doing his patriotic duty, but he is making Bush look all that much more incompetent. He again, needs to bring Clinton in to do what he is incapable of!!!

The attacking of this failure of a president will come soon enough.

What kind of man would Clinton be if he refused because jr is an asshole. He's bigger than both of the bush men put together.

And entirely accurate!!!

Sometimes I wonder if there is anything that can trump hatred for Bush. And really, what's the point? He's never running for office again, and is essentially finished as a President. I think it's time focus on performing well in the 2006 elections, and to look toward what happens after he leaves office. What's happening now reminds me of the nonsensical hatred Republicans felt toward Clinton during his second term.

Bill's umbilical cord we are lost.

If the dominant reaction here to Bill Clinton's willingness to do what is right is any indication.

Just useless and petty criticism in a time of crisis

New Orleans is dying. Its citizens need help, not patter.

Wesley Clark has taken the lead on the Dems' side, as far as I can tell.

That the tens of millions Clinton will raise for them is of no use. Clinton is doing what he was asked to do in a time of crisis...a patriotic act that pathological Bush haters do not understand.

Criticize Bush all you want, I'll join in...but Clinton is doing the right thing!!!

These people are dying, babies are dying and you're glad that Clinton felt compelled to spew Bush lies and ask for money.

You bet your ass I'm glad....if the money Clinton raises helps people get their homes rebuilt, gets them the medical care they need, and helps them get their businesses back up and running...it most definitely will be worth it!!!

ALL THOSE POOR BLACK PEOPLE.

WAKE UP!!!!!!!

This does not benefit this country in the long run.
By doing so he shows that he is a corporatist at heart.

up to * is the way to win! :crazy:

He always has a purpose for what he does or says that is more than meets the eye. I can suffer the short-term discomfort for the long-term gain. He is the master politician. I suppose since he doesn't offer soundbites or pandering red meat, it is hard for some to get the underlying purpose.

Paid $20 for the book, got it from the right bookstore, and I liked it.

Don't you know they are on in the same??????


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:crazy: I love being distracted from the REAL ISSUES here while others seethe in their cauldron of hate over the diplomacy of the last elected president we had.

:hug:

God knows I understand being pissed off right now.. but Clinton should be the last person as the target when it comes to those at fault


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him. How very, very sad.
All his programs are being shat upon, and he is actually helping them do it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I've thought for some time that the people who are here to actually get things done, versus the ones who are here to complain unconstructively, should manage their time by pushing off distractions like this post. I think there should basically be an island of constructive users making DU a useful place, free of such hindrances.

been known for years, due to FEMA reports. A similar FEMA report done by Bush Admin says the same thing. Heard this on Randi Rhodes show. Sidney worked for Clinton. Clinton is saying no one could have for seen the flood coming in his defense of Bush today. Who is liar? Sidney or Clinton. What is really happening: Bush is falling apart and Clinton knows it and he also saw that poll in the Washington Post that says Democrats want a leader with balls or with gumption. So if a Democrat emerged that would challenge Bush and smoke the Republicans- Hillary would be history. That person would grab the nomination, not Hillary. So to put out this fire before it starts Clinton goes to Bush and says your daddy and I know you are fucked let us help again. Hillary will only challenge Bush on the Wilma issues- (social liberal stuff).

unless you think that Hillary's war on Grand Theft Atuo was way more important than the war, or evening making sure that America can vote.

Please, before it is to late.

progressives and all Democrats to get out of this stupid and sick dependency on the Clintons. The fact that this could occur is another reason why Clinton is out there helping Bush, not NOLA, and other Gulf States.

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they fact that so many dems are still defending Clinton is just fucking sad.

I'm not playing politics, I AM BEING HONEST!!

He covered BushCo's collectrive arses BECAUSE of politics.

His job is to raise enormous amounts of money to rebuild New orleans, and to help it's citizens get back on their feet.

By seeming to criticize Bush, while he was on TV with him , in the Oval office, with Bush practically begging Clinton to help, would have been the story. And it most assuredly would have hindered his fundraising efforts!!

money on his own?

He was publically asked, by the President to do it. To turn him down would have hindered his efforts!

And I'm not entirely sure he would be...he now has the resources of the federal government to help him with it, he can get air time to run ads appealing for help. So I think doing it this way benefits the effort!

He should be holding this rogue administration accountable for its miserable failures and leading the call for impeachment... instead he joins up w/them... well, what can you expect from the one who gave us NAFTA, among other crap... fucking prick should get shingles on his ****.

He should be doing what he can to help the people wallowing in their own excrement in New Orleans. He was given a job to do and he is doing and saying what he needs to do and say to accomplish that task. If he is even half as successful as he was with the Tsunami relief effort, it will be well worth it! He is a great patriot, and is putting the needs of the country above all else here!

The very idea that corporate media could be a bad thing, no way.

WAKE UP!!!

The 1996 Telecommunications Act!!!

I tell you what...you tell me who you think the greatest President ever was...and I will tell you what he did wrong!!!

We don't need him to lead a call for humanitarian aid... we are heeding the call of conscience.

It is, however, the current pResident's obligation to ensure that this country is fully prepared for disasters, instead of cutting FEMA funding, along w/everything else this psychopath has cut.

Clinton... 'great patriot' :puke: ... NAFTA, WTO, Telecommunications Act of 1996, Welfare Reform, etc., etc.... why, I'm surprised he didn't go for SS privatization, since he did so much to move the RW agenda forward. Yeah, 'great patriot'. :sarcasm:

May we never see another Democratic presidential nominee like this 'great patriot'.

they are coming. I don't recall BC ever having a harsh word for anyone, even during the impeachment.

is being unpatriotic?

you haven't quite made your point yet.

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those democrats that are waiting for the Clintons need to get over it.

what the hell are you talking about?

Seriously, you are way over the top on this. Are you sure you haven't just reached your limit with the all the hell on earth and this is how you're taking your anger out?


If you were in his shoes.. would you use that moment and time to bash jr? Part of the success he will have getting the help we need is to play some politics. It sucks, but it's true.


Also, it's a long time tradition that former presidents hold their tongues in attacking the one in office. I don't like that either but Clinton is a statesman and will abide by that.

He knows the game way better than we ever will. Let it go and attack Bush.. not Clinton. You're aiming your anger in the wrong direction..

junior needs to be balled out.

The DSM, Clinton never heard of it.

FUCK HIM, You Clinton defenders make me sad.

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