It's all about a CLARK-EDWARDS ticket

Talk about dominance. Cover all areas in one swoop. The middle, the vets, the independents, the afircan american vote, and the South.


We can make it happen.

You get all that along with the left and the anti-iraq war people.

you get two people who have actually campaigned before.

not to mention two who are actually running.


The best thing Clark can do for us is run as a republican aginst W in the primary.

The best thing Clark can do for us is run as a republican aginst W in the primary.

What?? He would WIN, and then we would LOSE in 11/04. Clark is EXACTLY what we need in OUR Party, and we need to find a prominent place for him NOW.

:D

Once that's announced, RoveCo will shrivel up and blow away, and the restoration of our great nation will begin forthwith.

I wouldn't cry about Clark/Edwards though.

I'm fairly certain either combination would get us the White House.

...and it would set Edwards up for his own race after Clarks two terms are up, or if Clark should step down after one term.

This would be an excellent ticket.

But, as they say, if wishes where horses beggars would ride...

I think Clark/Edwards would be the toughest ticket we could offer. Maybe Clark/Graham would be superior, but if so, not by much.

I still like Kerry and Dean, but I am loving everything Clark says, and I do think he's the most electable. If he announces, I think...THINK...he will be my first choice.

DTH

I still prefer Clark/Graham because of all of Graham's domestic expertise. I mean, you really can't beat this guy for a well rounded resume.

Edwards' spunky personality/youth etc would really balance Clark. lol Imagine Edwards vs Cheney in a debate.

I just don't think Clark is another Ike, able to jump in with no elected position on his resume. And Edwards has the chraisma to match the political experience to be the top banana.

All positive, no negative.

Speaking as one of the "independents" you think will be taken in by this kind of thing...

In the unlikely event that a horror show such as this ticket actually transpires, millions of people will recognize that the Democratic Party has surrendered to despair. The strategy would be, roughly, "Well, we don't really have any ideas & we don't stand for anything. But we think maybe if we go for a general who's not even known to be a Democrat, and of course the obligatory Southerner(s), that it just might hook some votes." This kind of "ticket" would be at exactly the level of running Arnold Schwarzenegger for office, just because he's a movie star (& actually an appealing personality, despite having troglodyte politics).

Rather than explicitly facing any of America's problems head-on, this kind of approach (a general & a handsome southerner) once again reduces the whole political process to a childish level -- trying to win by dangling the lure of superficially attractive demographic characteristics. This is no substitute for a clear explicit analysis of what's gone wrong with America. I not only would never consider supporting such a ticket -- I'll work hard against it. I'm sure that many millions of people will see that it's just a pathetic cynical joke. It would be like the Democratic Party advertising, "We'd run a movie star if we had one. But since we don't, how 'bout a general?"

Wes Clark was first in his class at West Point. He's a Rhodes Scholar. He has abundant management experienceas a general and he has real world business ability as an investment banker.

Wes Clark has the right stuff...

Wes Clark is

pro-choice


pro gay rights ( he wants to repeal the f-ked up don't ask, don't tell policy which has resulted in more members of the armed services being discharged for being gay than the policy of banning gays that preceded it)


pro affirmative action

His Democratic bona fides are ok with me and I have never pulled the Republican lever in nearly three decades of voting.

Are the many, many independents in the center. You're one of the (relatively speaking) fewer unaligned independents on the left, aren't you? No offense, just asking a question.

Even for the left-independents, based on everything I've seen, Clark is an intelligent (#1 in his class at West Point), practical progressive with tons of foreign policy experience. I think he's a winner, and I'm guessing quite a few left-independents would support Clark.

Speculation mode off. :-)

DTH

A lot of lefties like Clark and would bolt Dean and Kucinich in a heartbeat if Clark declares. Heck! Even some DUers who currently support Dean or Kucinich have stated their intention to flip for Clark.

But, don't take my word for it. Do a find in page search on the petition for Dean and Kucinich and see for yourselves..

http://www.draftwesleyclark.com/supporters.htm

but have you listened to Clark speak? He has an explicit analysis of what's gone wrong with America. Take some time to learn about the man and his positions before categorizing him and discrediting him for not being a career politician. He is a Democrat; votes that way and was raised that way.

I am so excited to see if he will run!

DemEx

Wife, kids?

"Wesley Clark was born on December 23rd, 1944 in Chicago, into an Orthodox Jewish Family. His father Benjamin Kanne, a lawyer and Democratic Party politician, died when Wesley was five years old. His mother, Veneta Kanne Clark, from Arkansas originally, moved the family back to Little Rock where she remarried a former banker, Victor Clark. Wesley was raised as a Baptist (he converted to Catholicism during Vietnam), and attended the local public schools. Influential in his youth was Jimmy Miller, a WW II veteran who coached swimming at the Boys Club. Wesley Clark became married to the former Gertrude Kingston of Brooklyn, New York, during Vietnam."

-snip-

" A native of Little Rock, Ark., Wesley Clark and his wife Gertrude now reside in Arlington, Va. Their son, Wesley Jr., also served in the military, and is a screenwriter in Los Angeles. Clark likes to swim every morning wherever his busy travel schedulers can locate a pool. Plain, freshly made popcorn is one of his preferred snacks. Buddy Holly is among Clark's favorite artists, and he fondly recalls the folk music from Peter, Paul & Mary, Trini Lopez, and Bob Dylan."

http://www.draftclark.com/biography.shtml

what kind of man he is, I don't know what will. :evilgrin:

I want a candidate that knows the issues and knows what we need to mend our country.

I don't want paper doll candidates.

in this instance, if I may, I suggest that perhaps Wesley Clark has exactly the right credentials to wrestle with what we face. If you have ever listened to a lengthy interview with Clark, pay close attention to how he answers the questions.

He doesn't answer them like a politician.

The reason for that is that as a rising star in the Army, Clark kept his politics to himself. He does not have years and years of ideology coloring his perception of the problems nor the solutions. We might laugh at this joke ... Republicans' answer to a bad hurricane season? Tax cuts and find out which Democrat is to blame ... but it really does show how long term ideology can stifle the analysis of problems and the construction of policy and infrastructure.

When Clark looks at an issue, he does it with an eye toward identifying the problem and the most effective solutions to it. He approaches it in the traditional Dewey-based procudure and it is a far better procedure than reliance on ideology.

Wesley Clark has personal values that compel him to acknowledge that he is pro-choice, gay rights, women's issues, pro affirmative action, a supporter of civil rights, and sane gun trol. Those stances reflect where he is coming from and I suspect that his values would be front and center when executing Demey's problem solving model.

I think that Bush has so eviscerated so many aspects of our nation that a non-ideological problem-solving appraoch may be EXACTLY what we need as a nation. I am personally very tired of the division, the anger, the finger pointing and the constant combat of ideology. I think what we need to do is tinker with this place and make it more livable for all of us.

edited to add a 't' to a word that made all the difference in the world.

votes are in the moderate realm, I believe that's the best way to go.

Oh, wait, Ralphie has to do it for you!

WOOOOOOO

That would work for me. I'm still waiting to hear Clark on jobs, corporate trade agreements, and other economic issues.

I'll take the Clark half. Frankly, I think Clark and anyone undermines the Rs.

And I think Clark is perfect with Dean. Neutralizes all Dean's supposed weaknesses: anti-Iraq war, limited foreign policy experience.

Best of all, they both have charisma.

Clark-Dean would trounce Bush, regardless of which were on top.

How about a Clark/Clinton ticket? (either one)