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Terwilliger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 05:53 PM
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Why Rush is NOT racist

The fact of the matter is, Limbaugh's highly biased remarks are found wholly acceptable to a certain segment of our society. While I in no way apologize for that transgression, these people are in significant control of popular opinion, and I'm told we have to be "moderate" in times like these
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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 05:54 PM
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1. You so funny!
;-)
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Terwilliger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 06:00 PM
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9. I wish it was a joke
but it's decidedly not funny

Rush limbaugh is acceptable to white-men and the entire white-men culture in our society. It's acceptable to them. It's disgusting.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 06:01 PM
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10. I agree with you...
... people's hearts have changed little, especially older people. They are just as racist as they ever were, but they've learned to keep their mouths shut.

When someone like Limbaugh says those things, they are thinking of him as a spokesperson.
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 06:03 PM
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12. He's not acceptable to me..or my dad..or any of the thousands of
WHite Duers.....I think he's just acceptable to pricks...and there are lots of those around
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Terwilliger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 06:07 PM
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17. I appreciate the class of people here at DU
as has been pointed out by those as diverse as Will Pitt and jiacinto, DU is not like America

Racism is everywhere
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 06:09 PM
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19. especially in the house at the end of my street
Fucking facists!
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 09:33 PM
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45. "Racism is everywhere"
Truer words were never spoken. What we need to do to change it, is acknowledge that it does exist on a rampant scale. Once it's out in the open we can begin the process of reforming institutions which have the most adverse effect on minorities based on racist bias. And there is no other institution more ripe for change, than our criminal justice system.
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 06:38 PM
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24. not acceptable to this white guy.
but i know i'm in the minority on that.
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Terwilliger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 08:22 PM
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40. is that a pun?
:hi:
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 08:16 PM
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37. So Disgusting.
It's sickening that ignorant white men need a radio cheerleader to soothe their challenged egos.
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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 08:58 PM
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43. That's NOT at all what I meant
I don't think racism is a laughing matter at all. What I meant, and it obviously didn't come out right because I was in such a hurry, was the manner in which you managed to attack racism and get in a dig about moderates at the same time with this line: "I'm told we have to be "moderate" in times like these."

I meant "funny" in a biting, sarcastic way.

Peace :hi:
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 09:02 PM
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44. bullshit!
A. There is no such thing as the "entire white-men culture."

B. I am a white male and I have hated this son of a bitch since the first second I ever heard him. Ditto many of my male caucasian friends and acquaintances.

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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 05:55 PM
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2. TO a point that't true
But he is still an ass
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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 05:57 PM
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5. Umm...
Knowing T, I'm sure he was being sarcastic.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 05:58 PM
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7. was gonna say the same
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 06:00 PM
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8. I mean
That sometimes just shouting "Racist!" at someone doesn't do any good, it's best to try to figure out why they're saying that and address that problem. In this case, I doubt any duers will be having a heart to heart with Rush anytime soon...but in similiar situations being moderate and calming...can end up being effective in swaying opinion.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 06:05 PM
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14. Terwill was joking around man
thats why I am laughing. Hes a big progressive and is basically emulating what centrists tell him.
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 06:06 PM
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16. Oh I know he is..but there is method in his humour
;-)
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 06:11 PM
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20. heh I know
Hey you hear about John Rocker defending him, well I can see who Rush's future sports correspent will be lol, after he is in jail for drugs.
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Brucey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 05:56 PM
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4. Yes, rednecks and bigots
know what Rush meant (blacks are inferior to whites and not smart enough to be good quarterbacks, but the liberal media won't accept that fact and so covers it up), and they are a certain segment of society. They are not in control of popular opinion, thank god, and many, many of us know what Rush meant and find it god-awful and repugnant (as in repuglican).
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 05:57 PM
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6. oh man terwill nice one
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 06:02 PM
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11. That "certain segment of our socitey" also knows it's wrong.
They just won't admit it.


Give evolution a chance, man.
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Terwilliger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 06:04 PM
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13. so what are you saying RiF?
it's ok that the society is racist but not Rush?
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 06:09 PM
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18. No.
I'm saying that that "segment" also knows "in their heart of hearts" that they are WRONG. They just haven't matured socially enough to admit it.
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Terwilliger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 08:14 PM
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36. only some
many have NO PROBLEM with their basic prejudices
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 06:05 PM
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15. Yep. Moderates never speak up about racism.
They don't do it. Why? They're scum. I'm sure no moderates spoke up about this Limbaugh thing. Cowards. Screw them.
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Terwilliger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 06:51 PM
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25. moderates don't seem to be in charge of the Republican ideology
or did you think I was referring to Dem "moderates?"

Frankly, Carol Moseley-Braun is one of the better candidates in the race. Tell me about her chances.

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DuctapeFatwa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 06:13 PM
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21. It is no less racist no matter how big a chunk thinks that way

You are right, many many people in the US are racist, and most of them will swear up and down they are not, and don't even hear the surprise in their tone when they talk about how INTELLIGENT Al Sharpton is, why they had NO idea!
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Solomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 06:14 PM
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22. Brilliant T. Outstanding! Some of your best work.
Damn you beat me to it again. Look how much I had to write to say what you said in so few words.

http://democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=458338

Outstanding!!! :wow:
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 06:53 PM
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26. Solomon -- you have no idea
:D
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 06:30 PM
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23. Makes me wonder what the $25M/yr man paid
for mr. Snerdly.

Isn't he (horrors) a black man?

Wonder what Mr. Snerdly thinks about his paycheck compared to Mr. quarter-of-a-billion-dollar-contract?
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Former Republican Donating Member (99 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 06:57 PM
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27. The comments themselves are not racist....
but you have to have racist sympathies to instantly jump to the conclusions made by them.

Even if you don't support affirmative action, think about how a 10 year old black kid would feel if he's exposed to this cruel remark as punishment for no crime greater than watching a football game.
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Terwilliger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 08:10 PM
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34. or wanting to play football for mom and apple-pie
even :shrug:
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 07:11 PM
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28. Why Black America distrusts Conservatives
http://salon.com/opinion/feature/2003/10/02/limbaugh/index_np.html
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noiretextatique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 07:18 PM
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31. i don't have to read it...
:hi: i ALREADY KNOW WHY...WE AREN'T STUPID :hi:
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Solomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 07:47 PM
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33. Thanks CatWoman.
Excellent article. I'm a subscriber to Salon too but I spend so much time here I hardly go there anymore. (or anywhere wlse for that matter),
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amazona Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 07:16 PM
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29. a man who thinks blacks can't play football
I hadn't heard a statement like his since around 1969. You'd have to be on drugs to come out with something that whacky...wait a minute.


next will come his statement on the poor performance of blacks in basketball
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noiretextatique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 07:20 PM
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32. LOL...i got it
but amazona...it's all because of "pc" and affirmative action...you obviously didn't get the memo :D
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sistersofmercy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 07:18 PM
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30. HUH?
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Terwilliger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 08:13 PM
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35. anything you need explained?
racism is institutional in this country...that was why Rush was not specifically racist (even though I think he was)in his comments

It's acceptable to a lot of the folks who were watching that football show. That's the problem.
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sistersofmercy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 08:27 PM
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42. Sorry...
I didn't see anyone post that would be of that opinion. But I don't follow football and think Rush is lying liar racist.
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union_maid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 08:17 PM
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38. Nope, it's racist all right
I'm celebrating the fact that he didn't prevail and that there was a big fat stink about. Under all the crap and slime that's oozed all over the culture for the past two decades, the consensus is still that what he said is not acceptable and you can't take him out of his niche and into the mainstream. That is only some of the great news that's happened today.
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Terwilliger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 08:21 PM
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39. that does not address the underlying pervasive racism
that's still a central pillar of American society...whether it was brought to the fore by Limbaugh or left to fester underneath, that doesn't change the fact that it's there
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Solomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 08:25 PM
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41. Let all the poisons in the mud lurk out.
I heard this in I Claudius but it kind of seems like Shakespeare.
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