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mogster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 07:50 AM
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Bush jr. falls = business administration with Clinton and Bush sr.?
Say hello to Bubba and old Shark Face - dazzlin' smiles and all.



Why are these two suddenly so good chummies?
Aw, think of what they have in common; highly successful presidencies.

Bush senior won perhaps the most glorious military victory for the US ever, seen from a rw point of view. He could, with some work, replace the son as their hero. And boy do they need a hero, the rw'ers. It's all America is to them; strength and glory personified in the President, to take all the evil away.
Bush won the first Gulf War on walkover, and he had the sense to not go to Baghdad. That must be a valid point now for the growing number of 'sving-voters' that are starting to see the light.
If I needed a daddy soon, I'd choose the old Bush for the young one.

Clinton has a star stuck forever to his name among liberals; his presidency during the 90's. At least he has with me ;-)
I fully understand that there also are negative issues with Clinton's presidency, but the fact remains; he did raise the US economy from negative to positive and produced a better society from the Reagan 80's yuppie wreckage. And took a lot of dirt in the process.
Clinton would never have left New Orleans in the ditch as a president.
So, if one needed a liberal caring mother to the military-savvy daddy, you'd think Clinton would do the trick, no?

Here's a pic with junior - is this the Crisis Management Team moving in?
He looks like a teenager standing with his parents.


Who's in charge on the pic above? It looks like junior, but imagine these three men alone in a room - Bush jr. would surely be the mental underdog. I have often wondered about junior's relationship with senior, alone, when the masks are off.

I have often wondered about senior, to tell you the truth. Especially after reading the http://demopedia.democraticunderground.com/index.php/BFEE">BFEE

But anyhow you feel about the prospect, the proximity these people have to the president should at least be seen as more than 'goodwill ambassadors' to be used in disaster periods to help Bush' image.
Maybe containment? A buffer when Bush goes down?

Whatever their motives, I can hardly see them hitch their ride to Bush jr. now out of pure self interest - he is much too damaged. Bush sr. always have the Bush-honor to stand by, of course. But even so, you'd reach a point where you see your son has screwed things up so thoroughly that there is just damage control left to be done.

Clinton, I would imagine, would not longer put his foot in with Bush jr. without asking for returns. Even though he probably feel the need to accomodate in a time of crisis, I wonder what he and Bush senior talks about when they've tucked junior in for the evening.

And where's Cheney? Why are all the leading neocons so silent? Answer: They're spinning. Now is the time for quick thought, and Rove and Cheney appeared together on a pic just now. They didn't have a tan after their fishing trips...
You would imagine that the bad rap they've taken has generated a certain amount of activity. I bet the intercom earpieces was buzzing.

Who would side with Bush in the 'bunker'?
And where and when will that 'bunker' be?
My guess would be the Sept 24 Anti-War March On Washington, now much amplified by the Katrina disaster.


http://www.unitedforpeace.org/

The people siding with Bush would be the evangelistas - at first glance. But Robertson has always been a two-face, and has turned on Bush lately. Falwell lies low after his heart attack and I haven't heard what he means about the latest developments.
All of the neocons would switch sides at appropriate times, but not the prime ones, they have too much to lose.
Then parts of the military would side with the prez., but would end up as they did when the mood broke for peace in Vietnam; powerless to generate support among the troops for the cause.
The Cindy Sheehan cause looks more attractive.

I think Bush will go down soon. Who/what are gonna replace him?
Wether it is Clinton & Poppy or someone else, I don't know.

But it's food for thought.
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cornermouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 08:02 AM
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1. I love the look on Clinton's face when he's looking at dummy.
Some of these pictures are priceless. :)
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mogster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 08:09 AM
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3. Yeah, I would have liked to read his thoughts
I'm sure he has a private opinion on Bush politics ;-)
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MadeinOhio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 08:08 AM
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2. Hooo boy I will never agree with that......If Bush is removed because of..
These guys, then one of them will be installed and it will get worse.

Oh no way, that is absolutely putrid. The whole congress and government needs to be sweeped. :puke:

I admire Clinton's policies, but no way I'd ever trust him back in office after his cozying up to big business and senior. He would do the exact same thing the neocons are doing but in a more subtle way. I am really sick to death of the facades, its time to throw away the shadow government and expose em all. :mad:
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mogster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 08:16 AM
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5. I agree that the closets need to be opened
Only an opening up of the federal government can restore the faith in the American democracy. At home as well as abroad.

And fair, open elections. None of this would have happened if the 2000 and 2004 elections was fair.

2000 elected Gore, 2004 elected Kerry. Both would have handled everything different.
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Prodemsouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 08:14 AM
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4. This "mommy verses daddy" concept bugs the HELL out of me!
Edited on Sun Sep-04-05 08:28 AM by Prodemsouth
It pisses me off completely. That notion gives Repugs ammunition to say they should be in charge as long as there is a threat to the USA. The "Dems mommys-Repugs daddys" is why many people who would vote Dem are persuade to vote Repug. It cuts the legs out from under any attempt by Dems to say they can offer a strong alternative to Repugs on national defense. You think they will have the situation in 08 - where people will want a "mommy"?

Edit: Are you an expat or a Nor..following US politics/peace movement just read your profile. I am guessing expat? Glad to see you are in very stable country where you can talk of "mommys" and "daddys."
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MadeinOhio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 08:18 AM
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6. After seeing how 'tough' they are on defense....
That meme may very well fail for good if the democrats exploit it..
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Prodemsouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 08:27 AM
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How to exploit it ? If you are talking NO, they are already blaming
Blanco, a woman - further reinforcing this meme- that many who say they are progressive seem to want to help reinforce. Plus many look at NO as a internal matter- having nothing to do with defense and kicking the bad neighbors ass. Ohhh ask your father he is the man of the house is what many progressives seem to be saying buying into this mommy/daddy image.
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MadeinOhio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 08:35 AM
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9. They would be idiots to do so. Put General Clark and the rest on....
And the entire thing becomes clear. They are never good on national defense, never were. The letters are proof the local government was helpless at the Federal's wrath.....
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Prodemsouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 08:49 AM
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11. I agree- 100% Democrats need to show they can offer a strong
national defense, otherwise they will not win. Many anti- defense (there are those that believe any defense is wrong) NOT Anti Iraq War lefties knows that national defense will still be a issue in 06 and 08. That is why they keep putting out this Nader meme things have to get even worse before it gets better. Because they don't want to see the left leaning major party as getting "strong" on defense. The Repugs will see that defense is a major issue in 06 and 08. We should become a full service party-DAMN IT. Not just the party people run to- when the economy is in the dumps.
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MadeinOhio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 08:52 AM
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13. Put Howard Dean and other elected leaders like Clark on, and there's proof
Proof that they are all strong on defense. These guys need to be on television whenever they can be and drive it home. Unlike the DLC, they know what they stand for.
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Prodemsouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 08:27 AM
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7. How to exploit it ? If you are talking NO, they are already blaming
Blanco, a woman - further reinforcing this meme- that many who say they are progressive seem to want to help reinforce. Plus many look at NO as a internal matter- having nothing to do with defense and kicking the bad neighbors ass. Ohhh ask your father he is the man of the house is what many progressives seem to be saying buying into this mommy/daddy image.
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mogster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 08:27 AM
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8. I'd want a mommy for president in the US
Barbara Boxer would be my candidate ;-)
You'd have to search high and low to find a more gentle and strong president.

Look, I'm not defending this constellation, I question what their roles are now.
As for the rw'ers they need a daddy. Daddy Strong Man.
They dig Bush until someone stronger appears.
If you look at the only liberal leader figure of some notice, she's called Cindy Sheehan. A mother. She broke the deadlock by confronting Bush personally.
If that isn't strenght, what is?
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Prodemsouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 08:39 AM
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10. You can talk that way because you live in another country.
Meanwhile those of us who are stuck here, who have no economic resources to move or evacuate would like to see someone who could convince most Americans to vote for a Democrat. Barbara Boxer is a fine person- but she would not win. People are divided over Cindy Sheehan who is also a fine brave women-but like Boxer she will not be President of the US. When threatened most little boys and LITTLE GIRLS!!! go to their father or whover looks the strongest or no nonsense in the family. Speaking as one who cannot evacuate I would rather have someone who could win. I would like to have a person who can deal with ruff neighbors and has a heart of gold, lead the household.
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mogster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 08:52 AM
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12. I agree to that last line
And yes, I do live in another country. I'm sorry if I caused you grief with my mother-father comparison, it is different over here.

As for Cindy Sheehan, she will probably never be the president, but there is inspirational power as well as formal power. If you sway the mood of the people, you get politicians to do what you want.

I'm really sorry that you don't get help to evacuate, Prodemsouth.

Peace
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Prodemsouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 09:03 AM
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14. Thanks for your kind reply, In fact my envy of you is coming out
Norway is a very fine country. I love America I just wish it could get its head together and see through all this bullshit and ditch this neurotic macho attitude. Yes I would love to see that attitude go. But it is so strong here now those of us in the USA have to find some way to work around it.
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mogster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 09:17 AM
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15. Thank you
I love the USA as well, didn't know how much until it mattered.
It comes with getting closer to people, I guess.

Take care, now.
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 10:57 AM
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16. I see they got the black suit memo.....
Edited on Sun Sep-04-05 10:57 AM by newyawker99
:rofl:


Poppy looks horrible. :puke:
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mogster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 03:14 AM
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17. Yep. There's something about that smile...
Old Shark is a good name, no? ;-)
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