If Arnold wins:

* People will see all the sex harassment lawsuits, comments about admiring Hitler, and so on as being baseless mudslinging.

* The Republicans will have incrontroveribly proven that their crusade against Bill Clinton was NOT about "morality" in any way, shape, or form, but of partisan witchhunts (see the point above)

Why aren't the Republicans balking at Schwarzie? Why are they so brazen and peacockish on supporting him? He's 3 times the scum Clinton was in terms of womanizing and his Hitler comment is unforgiveable, PERIOD.

And then there's the people. If they vote Schwarzie in, that's a clue that (a) Democracy is dead, and (b) any non-Republican party is dead.

Welcome to the new order.

I'm not living in CA right now, where a part of me has always wished I lived (I'm in Cleveland, Ohio). Our own Governor Taft is a repuke pain in the ass, but I simply cannot imagine having to deal with Governor "Ahh-nold!" I think I'd run screaming for the nearest town over a state border!

Total Recall Redux begins October 8. I'm already working on the poster, i.e., terminator in pieces thrown out with the trash. This poster works if he gets rejected now or recalled later.



http://www.no-recall.com

Let's stay above the fray. It may be the political move du jour, but in the long run, it'll hurt our party and turn off many voters. Their recall is only working because of Arnold, so unless you're prepared to offer an equivelant alternative (um..Vin Diesel?) - and risk having the party look equally ridiculous - I'd think twice.

Half of the people in the state would not have even thought of Recalling Davis until Issa financed it (he paid for signatures).

Arnold will win with about 30% - 40% of the vote. that means that there are still enough people to Recall Arnold.

Since Arnold can not replace himself during the recall (like Davis), he will be voted out. Is there a law against Davis running for Gov in the Arnold recall ?

I would contribute money to that effort.

Cheers
Drifter

Stay above the fray isn't working. Time to take off the gloves. Whether you like it or not the move to recall Aunald is already being organized should he win.

My alternative to Aunald? Rob Reiner!!!



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The Monica affair was WRONG, even if the pukes were overzealous to annihilate Clinton on whatever they could find. His action was still morally wrong.

Unwanted sexual advances by Gennifer Flowers and the rest of the gang raise eyebrows as well, especially if Clinton was married at the time.

As for the rest of your message, I'm not bothering to address it.

On edit: I do apologize. My use of the word "scum" was harsh. But what am I supposed to feel? Infidelity is disgusting.

On edit 2: Gee, learn how to read. I used "In terms of" as a qualifier. I did not say or imply that Clinton was scum on all levels. I was still harsh, calling him a "cad" or a deogatory comment pertaining to sexuality might have been more appropriate.

..that came out recently in the L.A. Times.. he was married in 2000 - no?

both of these guys were wrong..

Habitually groping of women is gross and a sexual offense.

been wrong in terms of society's cultural norms against it, but it was really no one else's business but his and Hillary's and it had nothing to do with his presidential duties. The only reason it had an affect on his presidency was because the repukes made such a self-righteous overzealous fuss, hypocritically ignoring the skeletons in their own closets as far as "dalliances" were concerned. And btw, a little historical trivia, there have been some presidents (Warren Harding, for one) whose womanizing "dalliances" and Oval Office behaviour make Clinton look like Mickey Mouse! Harding would get it on with his secretary in a WH closet, while a Secret Service Agent stood outside keeping his angry wife from the area.

I'll take a president who lies about a blow job from an intern over a scumbag toilet cover who lies about the necessity of sending soldiers off to war and causes thousands of needless, senseless deaths to gratify his own ego and further his own imperialistic ambitions ANY DAY.

Like the Bible I leave the difinition of marriage up to the individual. Way too many people already trying to define our morality.

but it's no one else's business except the couple involved and you have no right to intervene. And from a purely anthropological standpoint (I know, I'm feeling annoyingly academic today!), humans are NOT hardwired for monogamy and infidelity, it's one of the hardest things for us to maintain no matter how much we may love our spouse. It's really a modern-day Christian invention, frankly, and is not the norm in most of the rest of the world.

But I see little benefit from liberals calling the best president of the 20th century "scum" - while the pukes go around trying to name every mountain, airport, highway and public school after their failed hero and Iran Contra liar - Ronald Reagan.

You (or anyone else) has zero right to judge anyone's infidelity. People's personal relationships are their own business. Yes, even presidents' - unless they endanger the security of the nation. Clinton's indiscretion endangered his presidency because of bitter partisanship - not because of his morality.

To be honest, I am responding to your comment because I hate it when liberals turn on our leadership because they did something that allowed to VRWC to find a crack of vulnerability in their actions and then exploit it. It is that mentality of attack and kill any successful liberal leader that is destroying our democracy and our nation's values. That is what we should be fighting - not LW politicians who are unfortunate enough to get caught in the partisan RW jihad.

i know the polls show him with a big lead, but i think the groping revelations will sink him. think about it. this state sent not just one but TWO strong women senators to washington... i think when the seriousness of Arnie's misdeeds sinks in, californians will decide he's not fit for office.