REAL weather control technology- We as a nation need to develop this idea.

This is a technology to disrupt storm systems by literally soaking up the water in their clouds with a powder that absorbs several thousand times its weight in water. The problem is that it has never been tested on more than a small thunderstorm system, and if you use it on a hurricane and even if it diminishes the storm, some damned lawyer will sue you for damages claiming that you had the opposite effect. So enabling legislation would be required to make the manufacturer immune from lawsuits for that sort of thing before it will be possible to make constructive use of this.

http://www.wfmy.com/watercooler/watercooler_article.aspx?storyid=42089

http://www.usatoday.com/tech/science/2004-09-14-anti-cane-schemes_x.htm

http://www.dynomat.com/storm.shtml

Duh, what an ecological nightmare to drop huge amounts of powder into tropical storms.

A tropical storm, let alone a hurricane has the energy of hundreds of atom bombs. Reality check #1. Don't step in front of a speeding freight train and try to stop it with a flag.

It is better to spend money developing alternative energy systems. That we can use.

Its a simple polymer and ecologically friendly! And the quantity we are talking about is SMALL. Compare this to all of the chemical spills caused by a large hurricane hitting a population center, and you will realize that nothing could be greener than this idea!

On Edit; Don't criticize an idea you don't even understand.

It's pseudo-science and you know it.

It belongs on the garbage pile with the idiotic conspiracy theories about HAARP causing the hurricane.

Oh, and FYI, I DO know all about pseudo-science, I just don't believe and defend it like you do.

On the contrary, I find it intellectually insulting, not to mention dangerous.

Try reading your own links before you peddle some capitalist's wet dream as science.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c109:1:./temp/~c109acHDYP::

Weather Modification Research and Technology Transfer Authorization Act of 2005 (Introduced in Senate)

S 517 IS


109th CONGRESS

1st Session

S. 517
To establish the Weather Modification Operations and Research Board, and for other purposes.


IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES

March 3, 2005
Mrs. HUTCHISON introduced the following bill; which was read twice and referred to the Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation



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A BILL
To establish the Weather Modification Operations and Research Board, and for other purposes.


Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

This Act may be cited as the `Weather Modification Research and Technology Transfer Authorization Act of 2005'.

SEC. 2. PURPOSE.

It is the purpose of this Act to develop and implement a comprehensive and coordinated national weather modification policy and a national cooperative Federal and State program of weather modification research and development.

SEC. 3. DEFINITIONS.

In this Act:

(1) BOARD- The term `Board' means the Weather Modification Advisory and Research Board.

(2) EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR- The term `Executive Director' means the Executive Director of the Weather Modification Advisory and Research Board.

(3) RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT- The term `research and development' means theoretical analysis, exploration, experimentation, and the extension of investigative findings and theories of scientific or technical nature into practical application for experimental and demonstration purposes, including the experimental production and testing of models, devices, equipment, materials, and processes.

(4) WEATHER MODIFICATION- The term `weather modification' means changing or controlling, or attempting to change or control, by artificial methods the natural development of atmospheric cloud forms or precipitation forms which occur in the troposphere.

SEC. 4. WEATHER MODIFICATION ADVISORY AND RESEARCH BOARD ESTABLISHED.

(a) IN GENERAL- There is established in the Department of Commerce the Weather Modification Advisory and Research Board.

(b) MEMBERSHIP-

(1) IN GENERAL- The Board shall consist of 11 members appointed by the Secretary of Commerce, of whom--

(A) at least 1 shall be a representative of the American Meteorological Society;

(B) at least 1 shall be a representative of the American Society of Civil Engineers;

(C) at least 1 shall be a representative of the National Academy of Sciences;

(D) at least 1 shall be a representative of the National Center for Atmospheric Research of the National Science Foundation;

(E) at least 2 shall be representatives of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration of the Department of Commerce;

(F) at least 1 shall be a representative of institutions of higher education or research institutes; and

(G) at least 1 shall be a representative of a State that is currently supporting operational weather modification projects.

(2) TENURE- A member of the Board serves at the pleasure of the Secretary of Commerce.

(3) VACANCIES- Any vacancy on the Board shall be filled in the same manner as the original appointment.

(b) ADVISORY COMMITTEES- The Board may establish advisory committees to advise the Board and to make recommendations to the Board concerning legislation, policies, administration, research, and other matters.

(c) INITIAL MEETING- Not later than 30 days after the date on which all members of the Board have been appointed, the Board shall hold its first meeting.

(d) MEETINGS- The Board shall meet at the call of the Chair.

(e) QUORUM- A majority of the members of the Board shall constitute a quorum, but a lesser number of members may hold hearings.

(f) CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR- The Board shall select a Chair and Vice Chair from among its members.

SEC. 5. DUTIES OF THE BOARD.

(a) PROMOTION OF RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT- In order to assist in expanding the theoretical and practical knowledge of weather modification, the Board shall promote and fund research and development, studies, and investigations with respect to--

(1) improved forecast and decision-making technologies for weather modification operations, including tailored computer workstations and software and new observation systems with remote sensors; and

(2) assessments and evaluations of the efficacy of weather modification, both purposeful (including cloud-seeding operations) and inadvertent (including downwind effects and anthropogenic effects).

(b) FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE- Unless the use of the money is restricted or subject to any limitations provided by law, the Board shall use amounts in the Weather Modification Research and Development Fund--

(1) to pay its expenses in the administration of this Act, and

(2) to provide for research and development with respect to weather modifications by grants to, or contracts or cooperative arrangements, with public or private agencies.

(c) REPORT- The Board shall submit to the Secretary biennially a report on its findings and research results.

SEC. 6. POWERS OF THE BOARD.

(a) STUDIES, INVESTIGATIONS, AND HEARINGS- The Board may make any studies or investigations, obtain any information, and hold any hearings necessary or proper to administer or enforce this Act or any rules or orders issued under this Act.

(b) PERSONNEL- The Board may employ, as provided for in appropriations Acts, an Executive Director and other support staff necessary to perform duties and functions under this Act.

(c) COOPERATION WITH OTHER AGENCIES- The Board may cooperate with public or private agencies to promote the purposes of this Act.

(d) COOPERATIVE AGREEMENTS- The Board may enter into cooperative agreements with the head of any department or agency of the United States, an appropriate official of any State or political subdivision of a State, or an appropriate official of any private or public agency or organization for conducting weather modification activities or cloud-seeding operations.

(e) CONDUCT AND CONTRACTS FOR RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT- The Executive Director, with the approval of the Board, may conduct and may contract for research and development activities relating to the purposes of this section.

SEC. 7. COOPERATION WITH THE WEATHER MODIFICATION OPERATIONS AND RESEARCH BOARD.

The heads of the departments and agencies of the United States and the heads of any other public or private agencies and institutions that receive research funds from the United States shall, to the extent possible, give full support and cooperation to the Board and to initiate independent research and development programs that address weather modifications.

SEC. 8. FUNDING.

(a) IN GENERAL- There is established within the Treasury of the United States the Weather Modification Research and Development Fund, which shall consist of amounts appropriated pursuant to subsection (b) or received by the Board under subsection (c).

(b) AUTHORIZATION OF APPROPRIATIONS- There is authorized to be appropriated to the Board for the purposes of carrying out the provisions of this Act $10,000,000 for each of fiscal years 2005 through 2014. Any sums appropriated under this subsection shall remain available, without fiscal year limitation, until expended.

(c) GIFTS- The Board may accept, use, and dispose of gifts or donations of services or property.

SEC. 9. EFFECTIVE DATE.

This Act shall take effect on October 1, 2005.

be pork, it seems to be something that people are interested in attempting to do.

It is bogus. Never say never, but there are lot less porky ratholes around, and there are some real projects to put money into, like alternative fuel systems.

Let this thread die, please.

around with the atmosphere like that. Don't mess with mother nature ya know.

Global warming is bad enough.

you can't just "stop" them without incurring some other backlash. The energy is going to be released one way or the other.

...we don't really know what it's going to do. We should probably focus on using technology to fortify our cities against the natural disasters which are probably going to become more and more frequent. We've just screwed things up...

I'm not sure whether the technology talked about in those articles would work or not, but I'm not going to attack them as being "pseudoscience", just because they're outside of the scientific mainstream. The government thinks they could be real enough...

BTW, if you really are Ben Burch, I like your website white rose society. :)

It drops back into the ocean? This is pipe-dream baloney.

Weather Control technology is in the hands of the VERY Shadow Government THAT will KILL US ALL before they share.

They've got underground bunkers, escape pods and space ports to build...

Revolution.

Now.

You've seen in New Orleans THEIR agenda.

it, too! Russia's used it for years (ended a long drought with it, causing a drought elsewhere), talks about it, too. Only our gov operates secretly, cuz we're so freakin' "free"

nature needs to be allowed to be nature and do what it needs to do.

NO WEATHER CONTROL!

We've already fucked up things with dams and levees and draining wetlands rerouting rivers and draining lakes and every fucking thing else.

Fucking with the weather will REALLY fuck things up.

History and Problems in Weather Modification
<http://www.rbs2.com/w2.htm>

Favorite phrase:

In anonymous policy statements without any bibliographic citations, the American Meteorological Society declared:

Read: Nope, no tin-foil-hats here


Favorite word:

Zeitgeist

So that's what the '60s were all about. We were finding our Zeitgeist.

It seems that steering a storm is not difficult at all.

The really heavy lifting is forcasting the path of the storm.

He's mad as a hatter. I'm just a weather fan if you will, but go find a professional meteorologist or even a Physics Prof and ask them what they think. Hell ask a first year Physics student. He's just a guy looking for a government grant.

Which is not to say that weather control isn't possible. It simply isn't very practical at the moment. It seems to me that people who dream of controlling or dissipating for example, a Cat 3 hurricane, really have no grasp of the vast amounts of energy contained in one. You can't just throw a big sponge in there and rob it of it's moisture. There is too much. Even if you could you haven't killed it. And steer one? The amount of energy required to even attempt such a thing would ruin most countries, it isn't worth it. Yet.

by temperature as much as it is affected by pressure. If you could work out how much viscosity change you need, then pressure change you need, then you could calculate the amount of water and sponge material (they're using silver iodide in the stuff I read) is needed. The realy hard part is the first. Once you know that, then a few experiments and you're there. A good year (for 'canes) like last year with 4 major storms it could be done in a year. The two major obstacles they talk about most in the rain making stuff are ethics and money.

weather dynamics. Tossing a bit of sand on a bonfire is a wasted gesture as long as more fuel is being added. Making those who add toxins to the planet in such a venture immune from prosecution is worse than doing nothing. The fact that they want this immunity is pretty good evidence that it will do more harm than they admit.

I don't even know where to start with that one.

When and if humans are ever able to directly and immediately control weather, I'm jumping off the ride.

to spend the money on getting houses built better and/or further inland, since the storm surge is usually the most damaging part of a hurricane. In addition, putting more money into evacuating those who are unable to leave themselves and having REAL emergency plans in place would be beneficial.

Messing around with Mother Nature like that is not a good idea. Can you imagine how bad the drought would be if you removed ALL the rain from hurricanes we've had the past few years? These storms damaged the property at the coast, but inland, they still dump tons of rain. In addition, the south would become VERY hot without these storms to dissapate the energy over more land.

Just my two cents.

Hurricanes serve a greater purpose than bringing disaster to humans. Two of the most important effects of a hurricane:

1) They cool overheated ocean waters

2) They churn sea layers, an action that brings nutrient rich cool water up to the surface

Stopping hurricanes could kill ocean life, what little of it still remains.

We can moderate our behavior to lessen the impact of hurricances; we have simply chosen not to. The destruction of Katrina would serve a purpose if we learned our lesson and restored wetlands, prohibited development on the very edge of coastal land, and improved our civil defense organization.

But no, as always, we'd rather tie nature in knots, and damn-all the consequences to all other life forms.