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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 07:35 PM
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How can the official death toll in NOLA be 59??
Many, many people have reported seeing bodies floating everywhere. Many bodies have been picked up and I've heard morgues are full across the state!! What kind of stupid cover-up is going on? With predictions that we will eventually have 10-15, and possibly as many as 40,000 deaths, they're trying to spin this shit?!? I can hardly believe these morons. They really think Americans are as stupid as they are.
:argh:
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KingFlorez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 07:36 PM
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1. That is the death toll for now
It's not set at 59
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Field Of Dreams Donating Member (570 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 07:36 PM
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2. They're using freepers to count?
must have run out of fingers and toes.
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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 07:36 PM
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3. Paraphrasing Joseph Stalin
it isn't who dies that counts, it is who counts the dead.
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-..__... Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 07:39 PM
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11. "A single death is a tragedy, a million deaths is a statistic."
Joseph Stalin
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SofaKingLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 07:37 PM
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4. They definitely have more than 59 bodies,
is 59 just the umber they were able to identify?
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 07:38 PM
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7. A dead body is a dead body. I didn't know you had to have ID on
to be counted as dead! What about all the drowned bodies in the morgues?
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nascarblue Donating Member (693 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 08:33 PM
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42. They're hiding bodies and the count
Edited on Sun Sep-04-05 08:35 PM by nascarblue
Why do you think FEMA and DHS are running out reporters and photographers and confiscating their film and cameras? I read reports that they're burning bodies and transporting them on those baggage trailers at the airport. I saw one photo with at least 30 bodies and that was 2 days ago.

Why do you think their cutting off transpo, medical, and transpo? This is the Aushwitz Plan and believe me...they're just starting. We are living in the modern day equivalent of the 3rd Reich.
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 08:44 PM
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52. "Aushwitz Plan" ?
You gave your PCT a name?

aye yi yi
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chalky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 07:37 PM
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5. Diebold's keeping track of the dead.
It's accurate. Trust them.

:sarcasm:
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 07:39 PM
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8. Damn! You beat me to it.
There's an algorithm that subtracts 99 after you get to every 100th dead person.
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Prodemsouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 07:37 PM
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6. That is just right now offical. Remember they are just now start-
ing the recovery of the dead. The first plan was to rescue surviors
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 07:39 PM
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9. because they use Iraqi Civillian death toll math
:( believe me it will be 10s of thousands,. :cry:
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 07:39 PM
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10. It is probably the official tally of "official death certificates".
...
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DODI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 07:40 PM
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12. That is what I heard today.
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 07:41 PM
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16. Huh?
Is that like being born, but not being recognized as a living person until the hospital issues you a birth certificate?
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 08:13 PM
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29. Yes.
I'm surprised you didn't know that.
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 08:15 PM
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30. That's ridiculous.
Whether you want to recognize it or not there is clearly a major cover-up going on regarding the death count. Bodies don't have to be identified to be counted. GIVE ME A BREAK.
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 08:17 PM
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32. Stop manufacturing hysterical rumours.
You have NOTHING to back up your ridiculous accusations.
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 08:19 PM
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33. I have statements from numerous officials and witnesses stating
that tens of thousands have perished. I do not believe that so many people could have died, yet only 59 have been "officially" identified, and therefore that is the "official" count.
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 08:26 PM
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37. "thousands have perished"
That's what you consider accurate?

Well, let's just use your estimation of 40K, then.

Why bother waiting for the coroners to catch up and get organized, after all, when you can speculate ?
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 08:28 PM
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38. I'm just repeating what has been adamantly stated by many,
including the mayor of NO, Senator Landrieu, and Governor Blanco. This is hardly something I invented.
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 08:31 PM
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40. Really ? Then what was this?
Your post #30:

"That's ridiculous.
Whether you want to recognize it or not there is clearly a major cover-up going on regarding the death count. Bodies don't have to be identified to be counted. GIVE ME A BREAK."

Sounds original to me.
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 08:33 PM
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41. If I see 10 dead people who I do not recognize, does that mean
they don't exist? :eyes:
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 08:36 PM
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44. You're being purposely obtuse.
And what exactly is your motivation for spreading rumours?

Do you think this HELPS the survivors?

Rumour and fear mongering is self-serving and borders on exploitation.
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 08:37 PM
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47. Whatever. You have your own agenda. Obviously. n/t
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 08:42 PM
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50. Yeah, it's called the truth.
Too bad more people aren't looking for it.

Not as much fun as rumours, but definitely the ethical choice.
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Telly Savalas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 08:52 PM
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54. Well if Sen. Landrieu and Gov. Blanco acknowledge widespread deaths
then it's a pretty shitty cover up.
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 08:54 PM
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55. That may be true. But the bushistas specialize in shitty cover-ups.
Not the brightest, just the meanest, kids on the block.
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 08:59 PM
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56. Exactly.
Just like the tens of thousands of enraged residents of these states who are involved in the clean up will, instead of going along with the alleged "cover up", do everything in their power to make sure the truth gets out there.

I have faith in them.
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 09:31 PM
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57. There are no witnesses.
There's Nagin's 'fears', Blanco's 'understanding', and other people's speculations.

There's no good basis for an estimate. People will take time gathering the dead, tagging them, and identifying them. It's at the tagging stage that the official death count will occur. We can't handle quick-and-dirty election figures' being replaced by certified ones; let's not implement the same bit of confusion for death tolls.
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 07:40 PM
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13. What do you want?
They are concentrating on rescues like everybody wanted, body counts are not a priority.

Counting dead people from pictures is hardly accurate.

It's not spin, it's actually much more honest than if they were to report speculations of 40,000 dead just to get attention.
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 07:42 PM
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17. I would like a little truth instead of rightwing propaganda.
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 08:12 PM
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28. It IS the truth.
That IS the OFFICIAL count.

Do you understand that it's ridiculous to speculate without verification?

They haven't been wasting time on official body counts.

You want them to forget about the live people and concentrate on the dead ones?

I sure the hell don't.

Time to count them later and IMO, enough civilians will be involved so that they won't be able to hide the tally.

Sorry, I don't believe that every person involved in the rescue and clean up is an evil conspirator.
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ananda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 07:40 PM
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14. because Bushco minions are..
.. doing the counting, not the Red Cross.

Sue
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gristy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 07:41 PM
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15. I hope it is accurate
I hope, I hope, I hope.
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 07:45 PM
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19. Its ridiculously low.
The numbers will be in the thousands.
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 07:42 PM
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18. I believe a death is only "official"
if a coroner pronounces it. Which means they are going to need alot more coroners. :cry:
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ohio_liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 07:48 PM
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20. We'll never see an accurate body count
Edited on Sun Sep-04-05 07:49 PM by ohio_liberal
The homeless that no one ever knew will not be counted. There are probably whole families swept away to God knows where and nobody will ever know they're gone. I dunno where they're gonna bury 50,000 people. Mass cremations will be the order of the day. Any figure they decide is the total will be lowball, bet on it.
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 07:56 PM
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21. I agree.. remember 9/11?
The Death Toll was 10,000 then 8,000 then 6,000 then 4,000 then 2,800. Since this wasn't an "attack" on the U.S. this will play out exactly the opposite. They will keep the numbers as low as possible.
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 07:58 PM
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24. Exactly. That will make their ineptitude and lack of response seem
more porportional to the losses. :puke:
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 07:57 PM
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22. This is the death toll in Mississippi, not NOLA
and is a preliminary count.
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 08:05 PM
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27. that is the death toll for waveland, mississippi ALONE!
50 ppl dead just in that one little town

mayor of biloxi says prob. a thousand dead in biloxi

who even knows abt gulfport (not a small town), bay st. louis, pass christian, or long beach

sheriff of st. bernard parish louisiana says they've rescued 6,000 ppl and found a dead body for every few ppl they rescued, no count yet, but he says it will be hundreds

nagin says there are many thousands already dead in new orleans

and there are plenty of other parishes & counties

i used to discount the stories abt the feds lying about the numbers dead in andrew, now i realize such stories were prob. completely true and just the way the bushes do business
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Sabriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 07:57 PM
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23. I'm wondering about the retreat of the storm surge
Did it pull bodies and debris back out into the Gulf?
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 08:38 PM
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48. mayor of biloxi says bodies are coming back to shore
i'm sure some bodies will be lost forever but he said they expect to find hundreds if not more than a thousand
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MojoXN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 08:01 PM
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25. Trust me, they won't be able to lie out of this one...
There's just too much evidence. EVERYONE saw for themselves the thousands and thousands of dead. Not to be too insensitive about it, but pragmatically speaking, too many people in the affected region have video cameras, camera phones, etc. for the truth to be covered up. The more they lie, the more they're going to piss people off.

MojoXN
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 08:15 PM
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31. Exactly. Unless we believe
(as some obviously want us to) that the thousands of people who are involved in the rescue and clean up are part of the "conspiracy".
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Maiden England Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 08:02 PM
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26. Diebold counting machines???? (nt)
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converted_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 08:20 PM
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34. There have been rumors here in FL, that the number of dead was lied
Edited on Sun Sep-04-05 08:24 PM by converted_democrat
about in Hurricane Charley. I've heard the "rumor" from 3 different people here in Florida. I looked online to see if anyone had documented the "rumor" on the net. Turns out they did. This is the first one I found when I went looking.

http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/08/295650.shtml

On edit-- Another link, this one to the St. Pete Times.

http://www.sptimes.com/2004/09/05/Floridian/Charley_spins_tall_ta.shtml
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 08:29 PM
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39. You're right, it IS a rumour.
There is no evidence to substantiate this.
Your "documentation" is of the rumours themselves, not evidence of a cover up.
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kittenpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 08:34 PM
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43. just to defend converted_dem's post...
I don't think he meant to claim those links were evidence. He said he was looking to see if there were "rumors on the Internets."
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 08:40 PM
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49. Oh, I know.
I just wanted to clarify in order to prevent further confusion.

The misinformation that is being spread in the aftermath of this disaster can actually hurt the survivors.

I prefer to remain skeptical of media and eyewitness reports and stick to the facts.
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VADem11 Donating Member (783 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 08:21 PM
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35. To be fair
They have said that it will go up much much higher.
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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 08:22 PM
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36. It takes a long time to get an 'official death toll'
Edited on Sun Sep-04-05 08:42 PM by meganmonkey
The mayor just said on 60 minutes tonite it could be as high as 50,000. No one thinks 59 is the total.

As they drain the city they will be handling the dead and processing everything. Right now, there may be piles of bodies in morgues but they are all makeshift and no formal processing yet.

I am NOT defending the rescue/recovery efforts, mind you. Just trying to add a little bit of logic.
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Bumblebee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 08:37 PM
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45. It's probably just from one place which has already been searched
Maybe these are just the people who died in the Superdome or the Convention Ctr. Or people who died at the airport.
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 08:37 PM
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46. OH MY FUCKIN GOD!!!! OH MY FUCKIN GOD!!!! OH MY FUCKIN GOD!!!!
It is offical just for this day. It is sure to rise.

WTF
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 08:43 PM
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51. Yes, they keep saying it will.
The officials are admitting it will be in the thousands.
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Robert Oak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 08:48 PM
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53. hide the real numbers
It wouldn't surprise me in the least that they try to get the death toll down and lie about the numbers.

Would go in line with their propaganda machine.
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Massacure Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 09:41 PM
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58. That is just from who is believed to be in the collapsed buildings.
No one even started counting the people who drowned yet...
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