if we the people don't take back our nation real soon then FUCK US ALL

we deserve bush. if we don't remove these men, physically, and very soon, then fuck us all for failing to do our constitutional duty.

and help close the "Senate bypass" that B*sh has constructed

but will the Democrats DO IT?

voting turnout was dismal at best

sometimes people don't appreciate what they have until they lose it, and unless some socially conscious republicans come forward it probably won't happen

Of course the Democrats can always grow a spine, and filibuster until the 2006 election

Then you don' t understand the problem.



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If you cannot persuade people to vote, you will sure as hell will not persuade them with violence

If you have the majority of support, and THEY VOTE, you will win.

If you exercise violence then you LOSE

There is NO ONE TO BLAME for what has happened except the people who voted them in

. . . along with the ability of the people to endure injustice and continuous violence inflicted upon them.

They will NEVER relinquish power as long as evoting machines are used.

I am not meaning this as a slam on any ONE candidate, but rather on the entire Dem party as a whole. We have GOT to go into our primary races with an eye to elect-ability rather than our own individual special interests.

I am in NO WAY saying abandon principles. What I am talking about is finding candidates that DO support the principles that are actually able to win--by uniting the party AFTER the primary is over. We need honest to gawd leaders right now. Our job as a party is to FIND them and get them to run.

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MoPaul, I gotta tell ya, buddy, I am right there with you on this one. We get the government we deserve, and in the case of the asswipe we have now, the American public is clearly getting a big old ass-whuppping for playing hooky.


Laura

Many of the current Democrats are so afraid to take a stand

We have to stand for something, that is our biggest problem, we don't distinguish ourselves as that much different then the republicans

our representatives voted to give bush the authority to go into Iraq
our representatives voted for the bankrupcy bill
our representatives voted for the energy bill which gave billions of free money to the oil companies, but does very little to address the problem

In other words, our representatives have practically given this administration everything they asked for. When will they grow a spine?

Many Dems do take a stand, but no news media hear them

I also realize that the media gives exposure to democrats like biden and clinton, implying that they represent the Democrats

is that MOST democratic activists are activists generally because of one issue....whether it is anti-war, pro-environment,abortion rights,gay marriage, etc. .....and, these are the people who VOLUNTEER to work in campaigns.....if their candidate doesn't support their issue...they no longer work.
...Repubs, meanwhile, by and large PAY to staff most of their offices, phone banks etc. (and, then add the relig fundie volunteers to do the leg work later).

And what would be there to protect any of us?

Imagine where this board and website are shut down (after they locate each poster with computer software). Imagine where you lose your job because "agents" visit your employer and tell them you're a problem generally. Imagine where you are under surveillance for just about anything. Imagine you asked for help from your representative and/or senator and you were frozen out (and your rep/sen. is your party!!). Imagine you are mandated to attend a religious service and present proof of your attendance. Imagine your children being brainwashed with religious and political rhetoric at school, and your children turn you into the authorities for having "unhealthy" attitudes. Imagine you don't have any friends because your association with them will put them in harm's way. And your relatives shun you for the same reason. Imagine you are alone, very alone, and there is no help for you.

If we sit on our hands for the Supreme Court, we will finally understand the answer to why German citizens allowed the Third Reich to control and destroy as much as they did. The TR was democratically put into power. It took carnage and a war to extract them from power. Do we really have to follow the same game plan?

No. We have been asked to act as citizens and MAKE OUR REPRESENTATIVES AND SENATORS VOTE IN OUR INTERESTS, NOT THEIRS.

Our only realistic hope is to continually flood the congress/senate and the media with our concerns.
This board and other similar sites are almost certainly under surveillance already. We have already lost the country. The best we can hope for is to take it back. But it has to be through influence, not intimidation.
Sept 24 represents a golden opportunity for an organized protest. However, the rottweilers will be waiting. The administration will certainly provoke a violent confrontation - and nobody wants to see that. This has to be won by influencing the average American - as the neo-cons have proved, that isn't so difficult to do.

Should we take up a collection to tempt them away from the truckloads of cash they receive from lobbyists and special interest groups? If you think Dems and Repukes aren't milking the same cash cows you are woefully naive. I don't mean that in a nasty way, it's simply true.

Our Dems aren't going to rock the boat when that boat is loaded with dough. All the calls for justice, civic responsiblilty, altruism and/or just doing the right thing are meaningless. How many times do we have to be slapped down before we get it?

At this point I'm not sure if we're voters or simply enablers.

But I get your point and your exactly right.

Sad the ignorant half of our country can take the rest of us out this way.

Phlem.

March the whole lot of'em out of our White House, dressed in Orange Jump Suits accessorized with chrome plated hardware.
The charges: War Crimes, Theft of US treasury, Crimes Against Humanity, Cold blooded Murder for personal gain, Election fraud - 2 counts, Treason and lying under oath to Congress, investigators and the American people.. And that is just to hold them without bail in Git-mo, so we can firm up the complete list of crimes committed by these criminals.

.. to help clean up operations. It's only right.

Sue

Their food and water delivered with the same efficiency as they delivered food and water to New Orleans.

We're doomed. That's my take. Sorry to be a bummer this morning. : (

when I talk to most people their response is - oh, it is so horrible, sure glad I don't live there - and that's it. Nothing about bush or his administration, nothing about how this country is quickly going down the drain, nothing about the lies and deceptions, absolutely nothing!!!!

We're half the country, but with our representatives throwing in the towel and giving Bush everything he wants, what in the hell do you do?

. . . to speak the truth is a revolutionary act."

--George Orwell

keep recruiting people to the left -- or join what ever organization near you that does that.

right now we do not have the ability to do anything -- we need ALWAYS to be about education -- left political education.

it's the only way we will be able to take back anything.

you do a brilliant job mopaul -- just keep up the fight.

I've been saying for almost two years now already that this administration is corrupt, incompetent, and unacceptable. I'm sure many of you have been screaming it for far longer than that. We've done campaign work, donated money, stood on street corners with signs, posted millions of facts on the internet, argued with our friends, families, neighbors, and co-workers, gone to protest rallies, posted flyers, have bumperstickers on our car, and about a hundred thousand other things besides.

And yet still anywhere from 42-47% of Americans think he's just perfectly fine.

What else can be done?

After reading the posts at Free Republic this past week, I have finally realized that our differences with these people are irreconcilable. And I'm not talking about the administration either, although that's true too. I'm talking about the Rethuglicans among us. There is NO WAY that I could ever be friends with or understand someone who thinks they're being nice when they say "well, you know, some of these colored people can be ok - one of them helped me once when my car broke down". (An actual post I saw at Free Republic, and that was one of the more non-offensive ones).

And I'm pretty sure they feel the same way about me.

There comes a point where you just have to give up beating your head against the brick wall and start swinging the hammer at it instead. It might be better for this country to just have the civil war and be done with it. Whoever wins gets the country to do what they please with it, and the other people at least get put out of their misery.

we're fucked already and it's gonna take decades to repair the bush damage

We won't be able to vote our way out. The turn around won't come until their average republican figures out that the neo-cons hate them also. And it's no longer party against party. It's the rich against the poor. The return to the age of robber barons. It will not change until the average working man realizes how bad he's being hosed.

the first is to scare the Democrats in Congress so badly that they'll start opposing BushCo at every turn . . .

and if that doesn't work, starting a third party movement with a presidential candidate that could actually win an election . . . a Redford, a Kennedy, a Moyers, somebody . . .

if we can't accomplish either of these, we are doomed . . .

duty"...since the Constitution that you espouse does not allow such a process of removal.

and if not for that little document we'd never have gotten to the constitution

It does and we should.

that's currently being shit on at every turn by this administration.