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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 06:27 PM
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Why didn't Rudy evac the second tower? That is what I wanna know.
Why did Rudy's people tell them to stay put and not to evac?
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 06:28 PM
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1. Whoa, very good question given the 'buses' question that is
being spread.
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Don Claybrook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 06:28 PM
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2. Great question
Great comeback to a dumb line of reasoning.
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 06:29 PM
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3. Rudy isn't responsible for grounding the airplanes either
Good thing we didn't trust him to handle that aspect.
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KingFlorez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 06:29 PM
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4. Thank You
If they can attack the Mayor of New Orleans, we can attack their precious Rudy.
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flamingyouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 06:29 PM
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5. Excellent point.
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Supply Side Jesus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 06:30 PM
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6. excellent
hit that right on the head.
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 06:31 PM
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7. no logic can be employed vs rethugs - - does not compute
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Missy M Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 06:32 PM
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8. I have been asking that same question since 9/11 happened...
to me it was only logical to evacuate the second tower immediately because of it being so close to the first tower. To bad the people in the second tower didn't evacuate by themselves.
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speedoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 06:32 PM
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9. Why did Rudy allow firefighters to go into the towers?
Lots of questions, but you won't get any answers.

He's a hero, doncha know?
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Carni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 06:32 PM
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10. DAMN IT! I've been ROBBED!
I NEVER think of good things to post in GD and I swear I was JUST getting ready to post this exact question!

GMTA! Excellent point!
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 07:16 PM
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22. Great minds think a like!
:pals:
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 06:34 PM
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11. Why didn't Rudy evacuate all of Lower Manhattan?
He let people hang around the Trade Center watching the fires!

He never asked for a mandatory clearing south of Canal until late in the day!
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Mob Mama Donating Member (30 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 06:34 PM
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12. I've wondered that for four damn years.
I often wonder WHY the man is always heralded as some big 9/11 hero. He didn't do anything especially helpful that any other mayor would not have done after the fact.

As far as not ordering an evac of the second tower - well, I don't know how the man sleeps at night, to be honest.

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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 06:43 PM
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14. why, because he held a press conference, of course! and a damn fine one!
he strung together sentences and cogently answered questions.
he looked positively brilliant compared to chimpy, who was busy soiling his undergarments somewhere over the central plains at the time.

in fact, he almost reminded people of -- bill clinton -- you know, back when politicians can INFORMATIVE responses rather than marketing responses.


results and actions are only things to blame democrats for, don'cha know?
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Catrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 06:44 PM
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15. Yes, me too ~ and the families of the victims
Edited on Mon Sep-05-05 06:48 PM by Catrina
of 9/11 have been asking Rudi questions for many years ~ remember the hearings? How the families attacked him and told him to 'shut up' about what he 'hero' he was and to start answering some questions?

Rudi Giuliani neglected the city of NY for years, ignoring the terrorist threat to a city that everyone knew had already been struck once in 1993 and that several other terrorist plots had been uncovered which he ignonred.

He did NOTHING on 9/11 to save lives that I'm aware of. And those of us who live here have been literally flabbergasted at the 'hero' title applied to him, that so many just accepted blindly without ever asking him hard questions regarding his failure to protect the city.

He kept telling NYers for years, that they lived in the 'safest city in the world'. By that he meant that he had declared war on the poor, the homeless etc.

Yet, if it was so safe, many NYers asked, why did he build a bunker to run to for himself and his cronies? The only reason we saw him wandering, dazed, on the streets of NY that day was because his bunker was not accessible, he being dumb enough to build it in a target area, which he was warned about.

I hope one day, he is held accountable for his failure to evacuate the second tower, for not making sure that first responders had the communications equipment they needed and lacked, causing many of the deaths that day. But mostly for ignoring all the warnings he received long before 9/11 ever happened.

And he has a horrible record of supporting police brutality against minorities. That too, should not be forgotten. NYers had regected him by over 75% before 9/11. Like so many others, he benefited enormously from 9/11. And profited enormously also. Answer some questions, Rudi. The victims' families want answers ~
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 06:35 PM
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13. He had that whole subway system
It ran right underneath the the World Trade Center! He also had literally hundreds of buses in his city.

How many people died because Rudy didn't evacuate?
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Inspired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 06:48 PM
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16. Always felt he was way overrated.
Bush, too. But perception is the reality...unfortunately for us.
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Jade Fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 08:16 PM
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25. Guliani only looked good because Bush was MIA.....
on 9/11. Guliani at least hung around and was visible. It made his at
least look like a grown-up doing his job. Meanwhile, no one even knew
where Bush was!
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Gloria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 06:51 PM
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17. And why did he put that fuel supply and a police HQ in one
of the Towers (was it a Tower or that other building)??
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Gloria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 06:52 PM
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18. And why did he hire is then girlfriend and a bunch of other FOR
to raise money for victims, and what happened to it all?? They were all paid nifty salaries...Ellis Hennican wrote a piece on it--it was like a con job.
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mcscajun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 06:53 PM
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19. It was in 7 WTC
One of the much, much shorter structures in the complex.
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 06:54 PM
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20. Well cme on now, that sort of thinking doesn't matter for Republicans
It's only Democrats who get dissed for that sort of thing.
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AnnInLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 06:58 PM
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21. Someone remind me of the difference in time between
1st and 2nd towers...I've slept since then.

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Jade Fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 08:13 PM
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23. Excellent question, and amazingly, I've never heard it asked!
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 08:14 PM
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24. did he really?
I never heard that
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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 08:16 PM
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26. Why didn't he evacuate both towers
after the second plane hit?
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tamtam Donating Member (450 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 08:17 PM
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27. Snap
I gave this comeback to someone on another message board on Sunday. I also asked why the police and firefighter radio transmission was so crappy.
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 08:17 PM
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28. The SECOND tower? I don't thing there were orders to evacuate the
FIRST one, even.

Why not, huh?

Come on, freepers, y'all want to jump all over mayors here, let's do it! Answer the questions, would you...or are you chicken?

Redstopne
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Psyop Samurai Donating Member (873 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 09:32 PM
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29. A related question that's always plagued me...
Why, in the nonstop network coverage that day, did no anchor person or reporter ever ask the main, logical question upon the destruction of the buildings:

How complete were evacuation procedures at the time of their destruction?


Perhaps the question could not be answered with certainty, but with the main concern obviously being loss of life, it really bothered me that, whatever network(s) I was watching, the question was NEVER asked.

Perhaps my question ties directly to yours.
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 09:45 PM
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30. xultar, you are a queen
That *is* the question, isn't it?!

It was indeed the role of the federal government to realize what was going on and address those needs.

I bow before you and your ability to see so clearly. :patriot:
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incapsulated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 09:51 PM
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31. The Port Authority told them to stay
It was their property and they were in the position to call people in their offices and give them insane directions.

I'm not defending him, I despised him then and still do. But that was the situation.
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 11:14 AM
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32. But why
Edited on Tue Sep-06-05 11:14 AM by KCabotDullesMarxIII
would the Port Authority have told them that?
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