So Nagin was a REPUBLICAN prior to the Mayoral election?

I think I was suckered as only a sucker can be suckered...a leopard doesn't change it's spots this quick IMO

http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:3SZCO0fkdTEJ:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Nagin+ray+nagin+biography&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

"Shortly after taking office, Nagin launched an anti-corruption campaign within city government, which included crackdowns on the city's Taxicab Bureau and Utilities Department. Nagin also made a controversial endorsement of current Republican U.S. Representative Bobby Jindal in the 2003 Louisiana Gubernatorial Runoff over current Democratic Governor Kathleen Blanco, and only reluctantly endorsed U.S. Senator John Kerry in the 2004 Presidential race."

Wait, no I don't.

So facts are subjective at best on that site...

Blantant untruths are quickly removed. Can you imagine what Clinton and Bush's information would look like if DU and the Freepers could just put anything they want on there?

Too funny--thanks for the (much needed) laughter. :rofl:

Bush on wikipedia--he is the spawn of the Devil, he has a 666 on his head--I've seen it personally.

Clinton on wikipedia--pervy, lying bastard. He raped me, my best friend, and my boyfriend, then demanded I have an abortion after he got me pregnant.

Hahahahahaha!

But his 360 on bushit's mistakes made me wonder...and in addition harry Connick Jr (yeah yeah I know his Dad was probably a repuke but I doubt that he is) sort of lashed out at Nagin the other day.
I thought that's odd and decided to search around.

I am shocked--I didn't see Nagin as a Repuke but he ran in 2002 so what the hell?

day (or later the same day). Not sure of the timeline, sorry. But he did apologize. He thought the Mayor wasn't even in NOLA, but found out later that he was wrong, the Mayor was there...

Are you saying 'liked' in that you liked him before you found out he was a Republican, or are you saying you like him--present tense?
Just wondering...

Either way, he seems to have felt betrayed by bush--as a former Repub, or a present Repub. either way, he's within his rights to feel this way, at least I think so...

:hi:

Interesting he was a Republican though, isn't it? I never would have thought him the type...

Most networks were reporting that Mayor Nagin had been evacuated to Baton Rouge.

Baton Rouge. He apologized profusely. I felt bad for Harry--another victim of media reports. Been there.

:eyes:

When he bitched about the lack of response and showed such passion the other day about the situation... but then this AM I woke up at like 5 AM to see him casting blame on the Gov of LA for not getting it together and not knowing her answer to bushit's 2 different proposals I thought WTF is this?

He didn't mention what those proposals were... and gave Soledad a perfect in, to rag about the incomptent Gov of LA

Later I read that the proposals both involved federalizing all control and I thought WTF was he thinking?

I believe that given past bushot experience that Blanco was right to not sign off control with that reich and I thought Nagin clouded the situation.

Maybe he's a stand-up guy working to get his people help... but the GOP until the election thing freaked me out just a tad--

given what you've seen this morning, after the last few days, I understand.

Thanks for the explanation. :hi:

After hearing him (Nagin)basically praise bush and blame Blanco this AM I was highly pissed--he knows this is crap.

All the military including Honore have said the situation wouldn't have been improved if Blanco had signed off and given the wink to federal control.

I felt like Nagin (who I trusted) signed off that front this Am and it pissed me off--I started googling.

Bush and his assholes do not deserve a pass on this.

is a wake up call.

I just didn't picture Nagin as a Republican--his sudden switch to the Gov needed 24 hours after Jesus gave her his proposals of help the other morning kind of made me wonder what the hell he was doing.

Too slick for his own good.

--just curious...

There are good people (and bad people) on both sides.

Seeing life SOLELY through a political or partisan lens cannot be accurate.

:hi:
Thanks for making it...

and i'm on board.

Everything IS political, in my view at least.
...especially this case study in (misplaced) priorities.

rather than substitution fill the bill?

Surely, we're only dealing with sematics anyway.

We know what's right and what's not when it's before our eyes. That is way beyond red and blue.

to vote for him. Then he almost let them all drown. I may be flamed for this but when I saw the long line of black folk waiting to get into the superdome, I knew something was out of whack. Why are all of the black folk poor? Why wasn't he doing something for them to help them out of poverty? How about some education or something? Evidently, they even have their own "side" of town. The 9th district, I believe?

LOL - Please take U.S. History 101.

My point was that it reflected on the mayor. In my eyes anyway. Why would you assume that I didn't go to college?

You could be a college graduate for all I know! Yale '68?

New Orleans is 70% black, and black people live all over the place. Everywhere. The 9th Ward is a part of town that is indeed very, very black.

He's done as well, or better, than anyone else could have done down there.

Redstone

I don't THINK SO- I thought the guy was great until he plastered his ass all over cable this AM and blamed Blanco for the fuck up AND NOT BUSH AND HIS JACK ASS FEMA APOINTEE.

Blanco was not able to evacuate and former repuke or not NEITHER WAS NAGIN but I found the fact that he did a 360 on bush this AM rather annoying.

Look up my previous posts-- I thought the guy walked on water previously.

So far, he is not acting like a Republican and kissing Chimp's ass.

I would rather have him with us than against us in this situation.


I'm going to be in the Brother's corner.

Right now he is no Clarence Thomas.

I sure would love to see Clarence Thomas do a 360 too.

Although most of DU wants to canonize him. I'm glad he spoke out forcefully after the hurricane hit and people were so horrifically abused and forgotten. But I still have questions about his actions beforehand.

Now, I hear him on tv saying that Bush brought a tear to his eye when he said he "understood" the problem...

Mmmm, yeah. This fills in some blanks for moi.

Oh brother!

:scared:

I don't have a transcript, I just watched it on CNN.

Choked up, tear in the eye, really the same sentiment to me.

But now, I don't think so. Anyway, he hasn't been saying crazy shit that didn't at least make sense, in context of the situation, until that little remark.

The Asshole has never held a job that mattered in his life including THIS one-- everything is handed to that fucker and he understands NOTHING!

it makes no difference now at all.

and only got started after the Director of the National Hurricane Center called him and chewed his ass off....Even then he waited overnight before changing from voluntary to mandatory....His urgent words to his citizens: you better get out of here, "my family and I are flying out in the morning".... He's a total DINO and now a mass negligent homicider. Some of us on DU have been attracted to his non-politician's mouth, but don't be fooled: he'll be the first to welcome in the global corporatist carpet-baggers. Fortunately NO has a VERY strong historical preservation community with lots of money old and new, and they may be able to prevent it.

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He had to wait because a mandatory evacuation means moving patients, all of them out of the hospital. That was cleared up the next morning. He actually told people on the local networks that he had to clear that up legally and he did. The hospital's were worried about the process and didn't think all the patients would survive.

His family left the area he never did.


You can be pissed off at anyone you like but research your facts first.

i watched it all live....you're right on both points (the legal stuff, and the fact that HE personally didn't leave). His comment about "flying" shows an insensitivity to poor people who have no way out. The legal stuff was bureaucratic CYA. Now here's something you can research: weather/hurricane experts were screaming bloody murder about Nagin two or three days before the storm hit, because of his lackadaisical attitude.
I'm not pinning it on him. The federal gov't should be entirely on top of this from the get-go, regardless of how long it takes a mayor to really sound the red alert

I didn't realize you were so close to the danger zones...

Thank you for offering us some truth on this topic. Sometimes it's so hard to know WHAT to believe when the media offers so many different versions.

It's awful that no one heeded the warnings of the weather/hurrican experts. :(

in comparison to NO, it's like nothing happened here. But things are palpably different. For instance, the other night we had 6 FEMA folks sleeping in our living room. Helicopters are constantly flying over our house on their way to ferry wounded to the PMAC (LSU basketball arena). Lots of traffic, no gas, etc. In addition to going on with everyday life (LSU resumes tomorrow), everyone is doing something to help--donating clothes, mattresses, supplies, feeding people, etc.

Huh? I think he's learned whatever there is to learn about Bush and the Republicans.

of the first order

in the most politically corrupt city in America

(or the city that used to be)

I think I heard that a hundred times today.

Don

He is also a native Louisianian and his son is in the LA National Guard and is stuck serving in Iraq.

I think Honore is as pissed off as we are and is making good decisions. I'd much rather have the National Guard in control then Rummie and his thugs at HS/FEMA.

Don't believe everything Karl Rove tells you.

Karl Rove hasn't told me anything. What are you insinuating? It went over my head.

Don

While I understand what he says and means by it, I don't like it.

John Wayne was a racist. I don't like thinking of a man of color as a racist--John Wayne, but that's just me...

:eyes:

Tough, manly, kick ass, take charge, kind of a guy.

Don

what the problem with that is.


Honore may be a good guy. Let's hope so.

NAGIN IS A FUCKING HERO.

He stayed and he did everything he possibly could for his people. Nagin and Blanco did everything they were supposed to do before the storm. They even dotted the i's and crossed the t's. It wasn't enough. Nothing would have been enough.

Now Rove wants to put the blame on Nagin. Oh gee he used to be a republican, so what? He did his job and he did his best, while Bush & Co couldn't even bother to wrap up their vacations.

Like Nagen was told on Sunday that the Superdome was a safe shelter to send people to.

Like HS/FEMA knew that the Superdome was taking in evacuees and did nothing to get them to someplace else while there was still time and sent only a minimal amount of food and water for only 10,000 people.

Like when Nagin requested Black Hawk helicopters to come and drop the sandbags he already had on the levee before it breached?

What else did he do wrong, may I ask?

he isn't one now and acted to do the best for the people of New Orleans. If a Republican became a Democrat tomorrow you'd be celebrating. The Republicans could then say the new Democrat was just an opportunist. These comments are just disgusting. Some people join certain parties simply to get a job. Remember Bloomberg in NYC who is now a Republican but was a lifelong Democrat? It's not uncommon for people to switch parties for various reasons. Nagin could have discovered he was in the wrong party just as a few black conservatives did who then left the GOP. I wonder about the motives of many of these people who come her spouting Bill O-Riley and Lou Dobbs. Also, I read that Blanco is not a moderate Democrat but a conservative one. She and Nagin may not have gotten along before and this tragedy has just increased the tension between them. I think Blanco is going to receive a lot of heat and some want to make sure the black mayor gets some of it. Shameful. Nagin is simply exhausted. He has been working tirelessly trying to save his city and its people. He does not deserve the criticism being hurled at him.

and she ain't evil.

Good R's do exist. They just aren't seen much.

but some are fixin' to get a good smackdown of reality. They will be enlightened, regardless of their desire to do so.

It's time. It's way past time.

solely determines whether one should be dirt or God. Interesting to say the least.

Everything I have seen and heard from his has clearly showed his first and last priority was getting help for his citizens. If he had to slam both the Governor and bush, yes, he slammed bush hard, to get some asses moving, more power to him, imo.

obvious--then, indeed, he did kick butt

the danger then the President or any of his sorry ass administration.

as well they should--that's their job

Brown didn't. I would put my money on Nagin long before I would put my money on anyone from the Federal Government.

Might I remind you that Ahhhnold is married to a democrat and a Kennedy?

WTF has THAT bush connected asshole (ahhnold) done except fuck up CA?

All I know is that the mayor of NOLA was ripping on bush the other day and now he's ripping on the DEMOCRAT who serves as Governor and praising bush.

IMO Blanco held her ground--Why TF SHOULD OR WOULD SHE FEDERALIZE THIS?

If he's so in the know then he KNOWS the bush admin and FEMA F'd this whole situation up--JMO

what is going on behind the scenes so how can you judge. Maybe Blanco has done something to deserve the mayor's criticism. I recall reading that Blanco did not treat the blacks of LA very well and they voted for her simply because they had no choice. She is no flaming liberal.

Newsflash I DO Know that--what I am saying and you seem to want to shoot the messeger on this FOR, is that there is no reason for Nagin to praise bush.

What's the point to that?

Let me get something straight here -- former repuke or not and I mean Nagin the WHOLE REASON I looked up Nagin a while ago, is because,
I was PISSED that all of a sudden he was acting like bush was doing everything he could to straighten out this situation and then Nagin went public claiming it was Blanco's fault.

That happened this AM on national TV for all to see and my bullshit detectors went off.

Maybe the guy is the salt of the earth BUT WHY BLAME BLANCO AND NOT BUSH?

The Gov and the Mayor of NOLA were not in a position to evacuate that city --FEMA WAS so why the departure?

Naggin repuke or not is clean on this one SO WHY IMPLICATE THE GOV

held up aid, he was right. He NEVER said that the Governor was right or wrong. What he said was: STOP TALKING, MOVE YOUR ASSES.

The Governor was right to fight bush, it was very important but that doesn't take away from the fact Nagin pointed out and that was relief was not coming because of the fight.

As to playing games, they are played everywhere by everyone, from the top of government to DU.

Carry on, though, trashing him works for 'some' people very well.

Cox, unless they sold it in the last ten years. Imagine: a big-shot in the cable industry contributing to repukes. Who would have thought? :sarcasm: Believe it or not, his first public exposure was as host of a cable show where people would call in and bitch about not getting the Sci-Fi Channel or We or whatever.

The endorsement of Jindal is rather pause-giving. Perhaps he has some personal issue with Blanco?

conservative "cred" with whites...

available to anyone in this forum has now magically turned a lot of people into Nagin bashers. Is this how shallow your convictions are? He is the same guy you thought highly of for the last week.

Here is the link to the transcript:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9220142/