i question the sanity of someone refusing to abandon a cat or dog

i know, i know, i hate animals. but that's not the point. if the national guard is waiting in the street for you to leave and trying to save you, and you don't want to leave rover or snowball behind, maybe you should seek help.

what a bastard i am.

that I would find it hard to leave them, but would be the first to grab my kid and run.

:popcorn:

:rofl:

:popcorn: Pull up a chair. Got any butter? :popcorn:

I'd throw in my two cents, but I think I'll just grab some SnoCaps.

I can't stand seeing those sweet dogs sitting in trees, the bewildered expression on their faces. I have cats and I will strap them to my back if I have to, I will NEVER leave them behind.

We are responsible for an animal's food, water, emotional and mental stimulation. To abandon an animal to the elements, or worse (in the case of New Orleans) is the lowest thing a human can do.

couldn't live without us? I find it fascinating that my neighbors barn cats seem to be able to find enough mice to keep them fat and sassy. Bet you Fido would catch something if he were hungry enough. And as for emotional and mentals stimulation, I'm sure a dog could find a pack to run with that would serve those needs for knowing his place in the world just fine.

Use some common sense, this isn't the countryside and these aren't country animals. They are domestic pets who have never run wild. Those lucky enough to survive, if they start to run in packs will be killed by the authorities for posing a danger. The rest will either starve or drown. Not all animals are swimmers, healthy or near any food. Some are old or sick or simply terrified and won't leave their homes, I see them on the doorsteps of the family home a full week after being left behind. If they do get desperate enough to go into the water, starving and dehydrated at this point, they won't make it anywhere. They will die.

I'm not leaving my cats.

That makes me a nut?

Pecan or almond?

:evilgrin:

:D

:) I would not leave them ...
My kids are grown, so I do not have the Child vs Pet issue..

My husband and I actually talked about our Plan..just in case.. We have saved some heavy duty computer type boxes and woulod poke holes in them, stuff cats into them, and tape them shut..We have two pet carriers for the "nasty tempered" ones..and the kitty Gitmo crate comes together pretty quickly.. We have a truck and a beat up old station wagon.. i would abandon My Honda Accord to float away, and we would haul ass (& kitties) in a 1988 truck and a 1982 Toyota..:)

That's our plan

:hi:

them abandon their pet when they've just lost everything else.

It's not as though we don't have the resources to care for everyone AND their pets. We just won't.

Nothing like adding insult to injury.

i'm sure this will be locked, but i just had to say it.

:P

I'm talking about the whole fucking parade of horribles

I dunno. Somehow I think that some percentage of those people, if actually forced to choose between saving themselves and dying for thier pets, might just choose to save themselves if they were actually put in the situation.

I love my cats. I would not die with them if I could be saved.

I don't know about people dying for their pets..I do know that we have the resources to save both and it's a fucking shame that people who have lost everything are forced one more time to suffer humility.

Reading posts that say people who don't want to leave their pets are sick just reminds me that we're starting to become as cold hearted as our adversaries.

Furthermore, Bush carries that fucking prop of a dog with him everywhere he goes and his asshole mother's dog wrote a best selling book.

I think we can all agree on that.

You KNOW how I feel about "Dog."
BHN

or have other human family members to worry about.

your choice to make. I would choose to stay with my dogs and find a way for ALL of us to live. That is MY choice to make. I don't understand the glee some are having in berating us for that choice.

But hey, they're just 'dumb animals' right? Not worth the same as a human life. It doesn't matter that most dogs will die for their owners, they don't deserve the same in return.

I am reading what these people are saying about not saving their pets and I have to say this!!!!!
I have lived in pain 24 hrs a day for 7 years from a neck surgury gone bad.
I have a little yorkie who is the only thing that keeps me from really doing something stupid like taking a bottle of pills.When it gets so bad I cant stand it I hold her in my arms and tell her that because of her I will make it thru this.She never leaves my side except to eat or go to the bathroom and sleeps with one eye open half the time to make sure I am alright.
Before you think I need to get some friends or family,I have plenty of both but they dont understand.My little dog Sugar knows that I need her and cant make it without her.If you cant understand this,then thats your problem.Would I stay behind for her? yes just like she would for me.

of someone who questions the sanity of someone who refuses to leave a beloved companion animal behind.

With a strange passive aggressive quip about being a "bastard."

Maybe you should be the one seeking help.

I think someone wants some attention...

:popcorn:

Seriously.

Tehn again, I'm affluent enough that I would have been on the road that Friday night with the cats in their crates and my wife by my side.

No way I'd leave them to die. I just won't do it.

I'd find another way.

my dog to die. Sorry, but they would have to forceably rescue me.

PROBLEM!

Hell, as bad as we say Castro is, even HE lets his people take their dogs with them when they evacuate their cities in Cuba! Might I add, Castro has managed to evacuate his cities many times when they were hit with hugh hurricanes!

IT's a damn sad story when the US can't keep up with the likes of Cuba and China!

Pets have to be included in disaster plans, whether you think they are silly or not. Look, personally I think owning pets at all on anything but a six figure income is silly, but that's just my personal opinion. (Less so for letting kids have pets, as they are a great tool for teaching responsibility.)

The FACT of the matter is that people are attached to their pets, and this WILL happen in future disasters and MUST be accomodated for. It isn't just happenning now with the rescues; it was likely one of the major reasons why some of these people didn't evacuate before the storm.

Put yourself in the shoes of a not-completely-poor NOLA resident with a beloved dog and no car. Even if they have bus or plane fare, how are they supposed to get out of the city with their dog? Busses don't take dogs. Planes don't take dogs. And when they get there, if they still have cash, they will have a diminished selection of hotels.

ANY evacuation plan needs to take this into account. ANY rescue plan needs to take this into account. ANY shelter plan needs to take this into account.

It's not optional, it's mandatory.

I'd say the same people who couldn't *imagine* NOT wanting to abandon a beloved pet, are the same people who also think dropping them off at the animal shelter when their lives change, is OK too.

(Well you DID ask for it.)

a shelter are the same ones who would leave their pets in a heartbeat to save themselves. I think the ones who would risk their lives for their pets are the ones who would NEVER leave their pets in a shelter.

my dogs when I cannot swim. No way in hell would I ever leave my animals ...we will all go together or die together.

I join the others.... if I had to abandon my pet (dog and 2 cats) I would NOT budge... a pet becomes like the FAMILY, a son or daughter... nooooooooo way would I walk off and leave...

I would NEVER abandon my beloved Chuckiemutt. As I said in an earlier thread today, I'd take a bullet for him. I do not doubt he'd do the same for me.

Call me nuts for this, but quite frankly, I don't give a shit.

because he wouldn't abandon his boat. His dog was pregnant and he was afraid she wouldn't be happy somewhere else (he lived on his boat.)

I'd really like to know who it was that decided the folks getting onto buses, when the buses were finally allowed in, had to leave their pets on the side of the road. The news said "strict rules" meant these people, that had lost everything, but managed to save their pet...had to leave it on the side of the road and drive off in the bus.

The story I saw, saw it on CNN myself, showed a little white poodle being left behind, darn thing was maybe 5 pounds. Make sense? Has to be one of the cruelest things I've seen in all this. Those people, what did they have left, and what was the ONE thing left in the world that would crush them?? I know it would be one more hurt to bear, at a time when those people NEEd pets. Not just cruel, but stupid too. Blindly stupid. Emotional scars, horrible things seen and felt, and now they have to let their pets be killed too?

Along with the whole mess.

You question those that won't leave their pets? I question those insisting they have to, those that want them too. Pets are probably the BEST thing for these people, and how heartbroken they must have been to finally make it to a bus...only to be told to drop the pet off on the side of the road...to die. How horrible. THOSE are the folks with questionable sanity. And humanity.

and amen to that....

You're the one that should seek help.

Seems the insane are in the majority.....

So, if you are on the lifeboat with 2 or 3 crazy dog-lovers hugging on their doggies, and it begins to list-- well, ya nervous yet? LOL

I would not abandon my pets, they are part of my family. There are many times I would rather be with my pets than people, mainly because people can be so hateful!

I would not leave my pets behind to starve or drown.

In all seriousness, they are. I also have human children (grown now) and I wouldn't leave a pet behind any more than I would leave a human child behind.

while 8 months pregnant and suffering with influenza because I didn't wnat to leave my kitties.

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They are family members with fur.
Every bit as loved as the members with skin.
BHN

My fiance and I spoke of this just this morning. We agreed that we would NEVER leave our cat & dog behind to die. They depend on us for care... they love us... and I would never be able to live with myself thinking of them there... scared, confused, abandoned, dying. No fucking way. If that makes me insane... so beit.

You've just lost your city, your home, your family is dead, every possession you've ever owned is gone. You have no money, no relatives.
All you have left is your dog in your arms.
And authorities tell you to drop it so you can be rescued.

Give me a fucking break Mopaul.

to air lift the owner? My husband said they better not leave the dog behind and they didn't, they put him in the basket along with his owner. I know DUers where watching it.

A man and his dog were walking along a road. The man was enjoying the scenery, when it suddenly occurred to him that he was dead. He remembered dying, and that the dog walking beside him had been dead for years. He wondered where the road was leading them.

After a while, they came to a high, white stone wall along one side of the road. It looked like fine marble.

At the top of a long hill, it was broken by a tall arch that glowed in the sunlight. When he was standing before it he saw a magnificent gate in the arch that looked like Mother of Pearl, and the street that led to the gate looked like pure gold.

He and the dog walked toward the gate, and as he got closer, he saw a man at a desk to one side.

When he was close enough, he called out, "Excuse me, where are we?"

"This is Heaven, sir," the man answered.

"Wow! Would you happen to have some water?" the man asked.

"Of course, sir. Come right in, and I'll have some ice water brought right up." The man gestured, and the gate began to open.

"Can my friend," gesturing toward his dog, "come in, too?" the traveler asked.

"I'm sorry, sir, but we don't accept pets."

The man thought a moment and then turned back toward the road and continued the way he had been going with his dog.

After another long walk, and at the top of another long hill, he came to a dirt road which led through a farm gate that looked as if it had never been closed. There was no fence. As he approached the gate, he saw a man inside, leaning against a tree and reading a book.

"Excuse me!" he called to the reader. "Do you have any water?"

"Yeah, sure, there's a pump over there". The man pointed to a place that couldn't be seen from outside the gate. "Come on in."

"How about my friend here?" the traveler gestured to the dog.

"There should be a bowl by the pump." They went through the gate, and sure enough, there was an old fashioned hand pump with a bowl beside it.

The traveler filled the bowl and took a long drink himself, then he gave some to the dog. When they were full, he and the dog walked back toward the man who was standing by the tree waiting for them.

"What do you call this place?" the traveler asked.

"This is Heaven," was the answer.

"Well, that's confusing," the traveler said. "The man down the road said that was Heaven, too."

"Oh, you mean the place with the gold street and pearly gates?
Nope. That's Hell."

"Doesn't it make you mad for them to use your name like that?"

"No. I can see how you might think so, but we're just happy that they screen out the folks who'll leave their best friends behind."

Anon

NEVER! My baby girls, my companions, my friends who would give their life for me without hesitation. I would die with them first. I have two little miniature doxies who go everywhere with me. (They keep my back warm at night, they are my companions and they "guard" me 24 hours a day.)

:hug: :toast: Here's to our best canine/feline friends!

losing your pet too has got so be harder than it would seem. I don't think you're a bastard, but I think you're being way overjudgmental.

bizarre

I love my pets, and would be completely distraught, but hell, grad your kid and GO!

Obviously, if it were literally a life and death situation, I would save myself. Other than that, I'm not leaving my furry children to die that quickly, I would try any way to save them.

Some people don't feel this way about their animals, clearly. I don't get the need to start an argument about it now.

The fact that little children and old folks with no one in the world but their pets are being forced to leave them to die is sad enough without starting an argument about this.

...I can live without lots of things, but not that!

Let me add that the greatest gift a person can be given is the ability to think of things other than themself.

No matter what happens to me in life I know that I have the power and the will to do what's right. That's something that can give you a lot of confidence...try it.

animal, then I have taken on the responsibility for that animal's welfare and life. I would look for another way for us to be rescued. What's with the rescuers there anyway? Usually, here in good ole CA, the animals that can be found (many run away in disasters and are found later)are rescued along with the people.

I have waited out several of hurricanes because of my pets and have been lucky so I am one of those insane people.... BUT my life wouldn't be worth a plugged nickel is i had to live with the guilt.

locked, and you know it.

That's great that you are of the opinion that people come first...however, there are many of us that see our animals as just part of our family, and would not leave them behind.

You know this...and you know that you were just in the mood to post a flamebait thread.

Stephanie

I was a paramedic; many people are worrried about their pets.

Jesus Christ on rollerblades, dude...this is a personal decision, and not up to you to say whether it's right or wrong.

Stephanie

Call me a nut . . . I don't really care.

...I mean, shit if you're the parent you get to make another one that'll look just like it, you'll have an opportunity to NOT make the same mistakes twice, you get to shag the ever-loving shit out of your spouse until such time as you knock her up again (Hint: if you're wife is a babe, time it so that you don't succeed first time) and the old excuse "I have a headache" will dissolve when you remind her of WHY you require nooky three times a day..

What a brilliant idea mopaul....fucking brilliant....

I personally could easily choose between my wife and kid and a dog or cat but my wife would have a real hard time only taking me and the kid and not our cat. She shes him as one of the family. That's just the way it is.

hell or high water. Terrible pun not intended.

...well-being. Just how easily can you walk away from such a responsibility? Count me among the insane-- I would risk my life to protect my pets without giving it a second thought-- easy to say, I know, but I truely believe it.

...now that, I do indeed believe...

to turn their backs on the poor?

It's that attitude about life being one big pecking order combined with the ability to avoid personal responsibility.

Mopaul: some of us make committments.

Whether we have kids or adopt pets... we are personally responsible for their well being. Personal responsibility for some of us is what defines us.

I have both kids and pets. For me, survival isn't an either/or proposition. Both kids and pets would have to be saved before me. That means if someone would take my kids to safety, I'd stay behind with the "LEAST" of our family and exercise personal responsibility.

that's crazy

...starving petowners....

See! It's easy when you put your mind to it!

that I wouldn't be willing to share with them.

What makes you think I would starve if rescuers already know where I am?

sheesh.

nt

For some of those people, their pets is all they have left, having had the rest of their lives wrecked.

As you said, you hate animals. Sounds very much like a serial killer.

I think it's sad how far some people will go to get attention on DU. This is sick and maybe, just possibly, YOU should seek help.

...to some extent they're all helpless creatures and a burden on the rest of us...

Now where have I heard this sentiment before???

Careful, mopaul, you're walking a fine line....

don't put words in my mouth.

Wouldn't take a step without my cat.

like leaving a family member behind. I'm insane. I admit it.:crazy: I love my dog more than a lot of humans.

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do you not recognize flamebait when you see it?

If someone wants to stay with their pet, 99.9% of the time, it's not anyone else's fucking business. It's a personal thing for most of us.

Jesus Christ...this thread is idiot. The "argument" cannot be won, or lost.

It's like a religion thread.

Say you have a infant child and a dog and the rescuer says he can only take two of you?

:)

How can that be? lol

but they are not people, like many people seem to think.

then the dog and cat. (i'm sure the kids would make me take the animals!) it would depend on the situation. during wildfire season here, i leave necessities by the door in case we need to evacuate. there is cat food and dog food. but if push came to shove, i don't know what i'd do. i don't think of what-ifs. i just act when the time comes.

There's a difference between trying to find a way to take your loved pets with you and flat risking certain death to take fido along!

Thank you for understanding the need to lock this thread. This has become flamebait and a flamefest.