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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 09:49 PM
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OMG: REAL JOURNALISM FROM MSM: CNN's KATRINA TIMELINE! (MUST SEE)
Edited on Tue Sep-06-05 09:54 PM by berni_mccoy
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2005/katrina/interactive/timeline.katrina.large/frameset.exclude.html


August 26

• 5 a.m.: After weakening briefly to a tropical storm, Katrina regains hurricane status and moves on to the Gulf of Mexico.

• 11:30 a.m.: The hurricane is upgraded to Category 2, with the storm's feeder bands continuing to pound the lower Florida Keys.

• 4 p.m.: The National Hurricane Center warns that Katrina is expected to reach dangerous Category 4 intensity before making landfall in Mississippi or Louisiana. Hours later, in anticipation of a possible landfall, Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour and Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco declare states of emergency.

August 27

• 5 a.m.: Katrina is upgraded to a Category 3, or major hurricane, with the Gulf Coast in its path.

• During the day, residents of Louisiana's low-lying areas are told they must evacuate; residents in other low-lying areas are urgently advised to do so. President Bush declares a state of emergency in Louisiana.

• Highways leading out of New Orleans are filled with bumper-to-bumper traffic. Several major interstates are converted to one-way routes away from the city.

• 11 p.m.: The National Hurricane Center issues a hurricane warning from Morgan City, Louisiana, to the Alabama-Florida border, an area that includes New Orleans. A warning means that hurricane conditions are expected within the warning area within the next 24 hours.

August 28

• 2 a.m.: Katrina escalates to Category 4 strength, heading for the Gulf Coast. The last time Mississippi or Louisiana saw landfall from a Category 4 or stronger storm was 1969 with Hurricane Camille.

• 7 a.m.: Hurricane Katrina intensifies to Category 5, the worst and highest category on the Saffir-Simpson scale.

• 10 a.m.: As Katrina hits 175 mph winds, New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin orders mandatory evacuations as the storm seems to beat a direct path to the city.

• During the day, Bush declares a state of emergency in Mississippi and orders federal assistance. The National Hurricane Center says low-lying areas along the Gulf Coast could expect storm surges of up to 25 feet as the storm, with top sustained winds of 160 mph, hits early the next day.
...

READ THE FULL TIMELINE... BUSH IS TOAST

edit: bolded dates for readability
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merwin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 09:54 PM
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1. Holy crap
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 09:57 PM
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2. I am NOT that optimistic
the morans in this country voted him in twice, even knowing what he did in Iraq was based on a lie

What makes you think that they have changed


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StellaBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 09:59 PM
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3. Unfortunately
I agree

Been getting emails from Europe today, all hot and bothered about the imminent collapse of Regime Chimp. I had to calm them down and remind them how stupid the people we are dealing with here are.
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 11:41 PM
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26. Second post I've seen from ya Stella, and loved 'em both.

Yeah, I'm hopeful -- but not optimistic -- that the tide may be turning against this incompetent.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 10:03 PM
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4. 3 out of 5 repubs I know
Are NOT buying the RW Talking points.

Really, I've been talking with them and they find what Bush has done as disgraceful and inexcusable and they are NOT blaming local officals (like the RW leadership is doing).
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 10:07 PM
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5. what area of the country are you from?
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 10:09 PM
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6. New England
But two repubs I know backlashing on Bush are from other parts of the country
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 10:12 PM
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8. I hope you are right
I am from California, and I feel pretty confident that it would even be more here. The question is what do the "so-called" red states feel?
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 10:19 PM
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9. The freeper in the office next to mine -
in my red, red state - was sounding critical. I didn't overhear much, but was surprised to hear his voice rise as he said something about, "But it's human nature that... How could they expect that people would not..."

I wasn't pleased about the last poll I saw though - 30+% of whites still approve of the job * is doing; 10+% of African Americans approve - both of these figures are too, too high!

I talked with a student today at length about what she had seen and heard. She was upset about the situation when we started talking, but livid by the time we finished. She said that TV was playing the same scene of a man being rescued over and over and over - giving many people the belief that the job is being done. I suggested that she start getting her news from the net --
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 10:22 PM
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10. I wouldn't worry about polls
Most have error of +/- 3 pts and I think there are always going to be about 15% crazy RW nutjobs... the other 15%... eh, lost cause perhaps...
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moc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 10:36 PM
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14. In my very red part of a very red state, I'm hearing repubs who
are mad at Bush.

I'm also hearing of some still defending him. :eyes:
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Verve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 11:31 PM
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24. Idaho repugs that I've talked with still back Shrub.
Local govs fault. Why didn't those people leave before the storm? etc. etc.

Talking to people like this is like banging your head against a brick wall!
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WePurrsevere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 08:35 AM
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41. Sadly a brick wall would probably be easier to get through....
it's like some are just sticking their fingers in their ears and hands over their eyes and singing "la la la I can't hear you".

The only truly semi "kind" reason I can come up with is some type of although sadly I think that some are just kindred sociopaths like BushCo.
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Catrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 11:14 PM
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20. Same here
Family members who voted for him twice, (we nearly didn't speak again after the last election) can't believe what they are learning. One of them told me last night 'these people are evil'. I had to put my hand over my mouth to keep from screaming 'I TOLD YOU SO!'

The only way they will wiggle out of this is if the Democrats help them. Keep calling reps, especially Republicans ~ this was a crime of massive proportions and if heads don't roll for it, this country is finished and it's time to leave and watch it implode from somewhere safe.

I'm from Long Island, btw ~ others are scared, they thought this was the 'national security' administration and Long Islanders are really, really worried about hurricanes ~ knowing now, that with this administration, they're on their own. The people won't forget this horror ~

We should all stop paying taxes ~ once you know you're on your own, you can deal with it ~ but why should we pay these 'CEO Welfare queens in the Republican Party, billions of dollars to do a job, when they don't even show up and get the job done? Homeland Security gets $41 billion a year. It's time to cut that budget and let us take care of things ~ it certainly couldn't be worse than the job they did. They STOPPED people from getting help. Get them out of the way, that's what I'm hearing from most people now!!
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 10:26 PM
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11. When you die because of government incompetence, it
really doesn't matter what your political persuasion is. I think some of the Republicans are beginning to understand this now. Allowing Bush to have is way, screwing everything up in the ME is one thing...when the incompetence affects this country, it's easier to reassess your support.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 10:28 PM
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12. Excellent Point!
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 10:34 PM
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13. Sort of like - 'He who dies with the most toys, is dead?"
:shrug:
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Shallah Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 11:01 PM
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18. They want to be around to enjoy their tax cuts
.
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Polemicist Donating Member (299 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 12:57 AM
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32. Don't trust your government to people...
who hate the government.

That's the simple explanation to red staters that don't know who they supported in the last two elections, and are seeing the disastrous results in New Orleans.

Our Republican leaders think that "government is the problem, not the solution", according to their patron Saint, Ronald Reagan. These politicos appoint their political supporters to high positions in FEMA, people with no experience in emergency management whatsoever. It's not surprising they botched this Hurricane.

Wait to see how badly they handle the next national emergency, if we are stupid enough to continue to elect people as our leaders, that don't believe the government is there to serve the people.
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tenshi816 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 02:24 AM
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37. Mario Cuomo was on a Sky News special report here in the UK
last night saying exactly what you said in your post. He said, among many other things, that the United States was being governed by people who hated government and wanted to cripple it (paraphrasing slightly here), so it was no surprise that an event on the scale of Hurricane Katrina could happen.

Cuomo also said that Louisiana local government was in no way to blame for what's happened, because they didn't have the resources to deal with the problem. Also that given the sheer scope of the operation across the Gulf Coast, it was ridiculous to think that it could be dealt with without US government assistance.

Because I've lived in the UK for many, many years, I don't know much about Mario Cuomo, but I can tell you he was on fire last night. He didn't give an inch.

Juliette Malveaux was also interviewed on the same news special. At one point the British interviewer (they were in NO, but it was for British TV) asked Malveaux "You're not trying to lay the blame at President Bush's door are you?". Malveaux: "Well, yes I am."

I'm trying to find a transcript, but haven't been able to yet.
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Polemicist Donating Member (299 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 03:40 AM
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39. I saw a quote by Grover Norquist...
superimposed with an air view of the flooded city of New Orleans that said, "government needs to be shrunk to the size that it can be drowned in a bathtub".

As you are in the UK, you might not know who Grover Norquist is. Google him. He is the modern architect of the Bush agenda, the anti-tax, anti-government crusader that sees our government as the source of all evil.

Bush's tax cuts for the wealthy, are designed to starve the government of funding, to ensure that future budget cuts are a necessity, not an option. It's the Norquist plan.

But starving our infrastructure has cost us our 35th largest city to total destruction and failure to spend 70 million dollars in levee upgrading will cost us 40 billion dollars in federal aid to New Orleans.

The people running America are idiots.

Mario Cuomo is a former Democratic Governor of New York and a leading figure in the Democratic party. He's not the only person with his hair on fire over this gross failure of our Federal government to protect the public.
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Shallah Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 10:58 PM
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15. I am because this time they are in personal danger.
They might not care about Iraq because they aren't at risk of getting killed by Iraqi's trying to drive foreigners from their soil but everyone is at risk over here if there is a terrorist attack or another natural disaster.
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kevinmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 10:10 PM
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7. Recommended n/t
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 11:00 PM
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16. That won't last for long when the real bosses come to
work in the morning.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 11:11 PM
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19. Ok, you scared me
So I'm including this excerpt:


September 3
<EDITORIAL NOTE: nearly a WEEK AFTER, the first report of moving the TENS of THOUSANDS of evacuees from Superdome and Convention Center occur!!!!>

Officials in New Orleans clear tens of thousands of evacuees from the Louisiana Superdome and Ernest Morial Convention Center, where they were living under squalid conditions with little food or water.

• Firefighters battle two fires along the Mississippi River waterfront, where 50-foot flames engulfed an industrial district.

• Utility companies work to restore power to more than 1 million Gulf Coast customers.

The Army Corps of Engineers brings in pumps and generators from around the nation to help get New Orleans pumps back on line and bail out the city.


PEOPLE WERE LEFT BEHIND BY THE FEDERAL GOV'T, BY BUSH, TO SURVIVE ON THEIR OWN FOR 5 DAYS WITHOUT FOOD OR WATER!
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steve2470 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 11:00 PM
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17. kick nt
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 11:18 PM
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21. Use this timeline to plug in other details (cut&paste) and get a
much more extensive and detailed time line of activities of the bushco response and other responses.

if you have enuff data to add that is.


Msongs
www.msongs.com/impeachbush.htm
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Poiuyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 11:58 PM
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30. We need to insert what Bush was actually doing on those days, i.e., eating
cake with John McCain, playing guitar, playing golf, etc.
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libertypirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 11:22 PM
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22. LAME ! --> Where is the entry for the levy busting...
Edited on Tue Sep-06-05 11:23 PM by libertypirate
I bet they want to bring in their own expert.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 11:25 PM
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23. Aug. 30th... I didn't include every day in their timeline due to copyright
Just the entries that PROVE that Bush knew what was going on and all the things the RW has been saying to BLAME the local gov't is a BOLD-FACED LIE!
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1songbird Donating Member (642 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 11:45 PM
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27. NO, it was August 29th, the day of the storm not the 30th.
"Two major flood-control levees are breached, and the National Weather Service reports "total structural failure" in parts of New Orleans. A section of the roof of the Louisiana Superdome, where 10,000 people are taking refuge, opens. Many are feared dead in flooded neighborhoods still under as much as 20 feet of water"
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libertypirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 12:07 AM
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31. There were multiple breaches on each side of the river
Don't start making this out to be simple!
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geniph Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 03:37 PM
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42. It wasn't the river levees that were breached
it was the canals. So far, the Mississippi River levees have held. If those go, then there will be NOTHING left of NO.
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blonndee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 11:33 PM
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25. I've been saying you guys, DON'T give up on MSM!!
Edited on Tue Sep-06-05 11:35 PM by blonndee
Only after they fail us completely should we give up. They haven't done so yet, despite their failings. And we don't want to wonder in years to come whether they gave up because WE did. Keep calling, emailing, and encourgaging them! We ARE THE PEOPLE! And lots of them are on our side...they've just been afraid. No time for recriminations, we have to mobilize NOW!!!



Edited for spelling and clarity
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 11:48 PM
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28. Besides, complaining and the M$M criticizing Bush...
... may have been the only thing that got relief efforts moving. Who knows how long it might have taken had the media not be so critical.
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blonndee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 11:52 PM
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29. You're so right...and that's what's given me SOME
faith in some of the MSM members. Once they "really get it," at least some of them will report it.

They didn't all start off as corporate shills, remember.
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 01:40 AM
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36. It seems to me that some of them are saying enough is enough.
Edited on Wed Sep-07-05 01:41 AM by stickdog
"I realize I signed on to be a war mongering corporate shill, but I draw the line at endorsing the wholesale murder of thousands of American citizens.'
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 01:18 AM
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33. CNN has been outstanding.
This is how every worthy reporter responds to the crap charges about local LA leaders failing. There is no longer any excuse for anyone to get away with the "Plenty of blame to go around" horseshit.

Answer with the verifiable truth. Real reporters will use it, the whores will not. We will learn very soon who is who.

We don't need investigations conducted by Washington insiders, we saw the whole damn thing happen right before our eyes. We need our reporters to continue this kind of investigating.





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NightOwwl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 01:21 AM
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34. Yes...if I hear one more politician call for an investigation...
I will scream.

Bush fucked up. That's all anyone needs to know.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 01:29 AM
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35. And the phone numbers of their representatives,
they need to know those in order to call and request impeachment.
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brettdale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 02:37 AM
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38. Kick
Kick
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enough Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 08:18 AM
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40. kick
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43. kick
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